Assuming we keep 20 million or so reserved to make a strong run at Conley and/or Batum.
Meanwhile some teams will be in need of a forward off the bench and be willing to offer 6 million a year per, over 3 years.
Think both Thomas and DWill will get something like 20/3. If that's the case, who do you think is more expendable of the two?
Both have played well at certain times of the season.
For me
PROS
Thomas - Smarter/higher IQ, better jumpshot, more versatile on defense
Williams - Stronger, More Athletic, younger and can still improve, better at creating his own look, better on the break and at drawing fouls.
CONS
Thomas - Doesn't pass well or at all, can't really create his own shot
Williams - Defense is suspect, a bit of a headcase
I feel Thomas is better for the short term, but Williams is the better longterm investment.
I like DWill a lot, but Lance shows that h is a two-way player. That said, I would pay Lance over Williams
I wish we had another couple of transition players to play with D-Will. I think his value gets minimized on a team of mostly plodders/half court players. If we ever decided to build up the bench with a few quicker/change-of-pace players (esp. a quicker PG), he'd have more of an impact I'm thinking. There's a thread up about Shane Larkin -- now he didn't work out here but I wonder how he would've looked on a 2nd unit along with D-Will.
To answer the question -- I'm a fan of D-Will but I'm also a fan of a more uptempo style of play. We're just not built that way. Lance is probably the better fit. I was wrong about Lance--he's been a pleasant surprise and looks like a keeper. If we decided to invest in a couple of quicker 2nd unit guards, D-Will could be a keeper too. For the remainder of the year, I was thinking we sign Russ Smith and Terrico White, team them up with D-Will on that 2nd unit and try to run a little more, try to get some easy buckets in transition.. Even Thanasis along with D-Will could've been an interesting pairing (Thanasis could be a decent fallback option if Lance Thomas suddenly wants too much money. Or maybe he takes Sasha's spot next yr. I swear every time I see Thanasis play, he reminds me of Gerald Wilkins)... They decided to go a different direction with Fredette. Rooting for Jimmer, man. Maybe we get lucky with him...We'll see what happens.
I think they let Lance walk and try to give that spot to Thansis. They need to cut salary in a few spots so they can upgrade the whole roster of Guards. They need to play OQuinn a lot down the stretch. Hopefully he will play well and can increase his trade value.Im hoping we can get a 2nd round pick for him. Bring in Willy G to be our back up Center to replace Seraphin and O'quinn.
Finestrg wrote:I wish we had another couple of transition players to play with D-Will. I think his value gets minimized on a team of mostly plodders/half court players. If we ever decided to build up the bench with a few quicker/change-of-pace players (esp. a quicker PG), he'd have more of an impact I'm thinking. There's a thread up about Shane Larkin -- now he didn't work out here but I wonder how he would've looked on a 2nd unit along with D-Will.To answer the question -- I'm a fan of D-Will but I'm also a fan of a more uptempo style of play. We're just not built that way. Lance is probably the better fit. I was wrong about Lance--he's been a pleasant surprise and looks like a keeper. If we decided to invest in a couple of quicker 2nd unit guards, D-Will could be a keeper too. For the remainder of the year, I was thinking we sign Russ Smith and Terrico White, team them up with D-Will on that 2nd unit and try to run a little more, try to get some easy buckets in transition.. Even Thanasis along with D-Will could've been an interesting pairing (Thanasis could be a decent fallback option if Lance Thomas suddenly wants too much money. Or maybe he takes Sasha's spot next yr. I swear every time I see Thanasis play, he reminds me of Gerald Wilkins)... They decided to go a different direction with Fredette. Rooting for Jimmer, man. Maybe we get lucky with him...We'll see what happens.
DWill would have benefited with Larkin at the point. He loves to run the floor and play above the rim.
Jmpasq wrote:I think they let Lance walk and try to give that spot to Thansis. They need to cut salary in a few spots so they can upgrade the whole roster of Guards. They need to play OQuinn a lot down the stretch. Hopefully he will play well and can increase his trade value.Im hoping we can get a 2nd round pick for him. Bring in Willy G to be our back up Center to replace Seraphin and O'quinn.
Willy G?????
I agree about DWill thriving with an uptempo offense. I think they even want the bench to do that, but you need guys with express speed on the wing and running into the paint. DWill can even push the ball as a ballhandler when he grabs a rebound. I have a ton of interest in bringing him back because of him still not hitting his ceiling/peak as a player. Think he can get a bit better, especially now that he has a had year to see where he isn't good in the Triangle (Mostly the long range jumpshots, which he has started to take and be more comfortable with, but still not his strength) and can work on it in the summer.
Knicks1969 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:I think they let Lance walk and try to give that spot to Thansis. They need to cut salary in a few spots so they can upgrade the whole roster of Guards. They need to play OQuinn a lot down the stretch. Hopefully he will play well and can increase his trade value.Im hoping we can get a 2nd round pick for him. Bring in Willy G to be our back up Center to replace Seraphin and O'quinn.
Willy G?????
He stated he might want to stay in europe a bit more. Also, you can't play that until he actually gets on the court and performs at this level. You want yoots beating good vet players and then trade the vets for picks. This is how good teams elevate their talent. Willy might be fishing for assurances and money but he has some leverage to do so.
It all adds up. Look how it took SAS to get Tiago Splitter on the roster. But when they got him, he was a great compliment to Duncan!! Manu was a low pick and he did get to NBA until 25 years old. But when he did.........
See the pattern, have to have assets in place to supplement.
nyknickzingis wrote:Assuming we keep 20 million or so reserved to make a strong run at Conley and/or Batum.
Meanwhile some teams will be in need of a forward off the bench and be willing to offer 6 million a year per, over 3 years. Think both Thomas and DWill will get something like 20/3. If that's the case, who do you think is more expendable of the two?
Both have played well at certain times of the season.
For me
PROS
Thomas - Smarter/higher IQ, better jumpshot, more versatile on defense
Williams - Stronger, More Athletic, younger and can still improve, better at creating his own look, better on the break and at drawing fouls.
CONS
Thomas - Doesn't pass well or at all, can't really create his own shot
Williams - Defense is suspect, a bit of a headcase
I feel Thomas is better for the short term, but Williams is the better longterm investment.
Such an easy question that nobody can get wrong and if someone does then they have serious problems. D.Williams is the same exact player he's been his entire career so far which is an inconsistent player that doesn't play defense and can't shoot the ball but will come up with some highlight dunks and will get to the basket and foul line but he'll do it inconsistently. You sign LT and don't even give it thought.
newyorker4ever wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Assuming we keep 20 million or so reserved to make a strong run at Conley and/or Batum.
Meanwhile some teams will be in need of a forward off the bench and be willing to offer 6 million a year per, over 3 years. Think both Thomas and DWill will get something like 20/3. If that's the case, who do you think is more expendable of the two?
Both have played well at certain times of the season.
For me
PROS
Thomas - Smarter/higher IQ, better jumpshot, more versatile on defense
Williams - Stronger, More Athletic, younger and can still improve, better at creating his own look, better on the break and at drawing fouls.
CONS
Thomas - Doesn't pass well or at all, can't really create his own shot
Williams - Defense is suspect, a bit of a headcase
I feel Thomas is better for the short term, but Williams is the better longterm investment.
Such an easy question that nobody can get wrong and if someone does then they have serious problems. D.Williams is the same exact player he's been his entire career so far which is an inconsistent player that doesn't play defense and can't shoot the ball but will come up with some highlight dunks and will get to the basket and foul line but he'll do it inconsistently. You sign LT and don't even give it thought.
Yeah but the difference is that Dwill has been much more of an impactful player here than he has anywhere else he has played(2nd on team in WS48) and has found a comfortable niche were he can develop his game. We just need to be a little more patient with him.
TPercy wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Assuming we keep 20 million or so reserved to make a strong run at Conley and/or Batum.
Meanwhile some teams will be in need of a forward off the bench and be willing to offer 6 million a year per, over 3 years. Think both Thomas and DWill will get something like 20/3. If that's the case, who do you think is more expendable of the two?
Both have played well at certain times of the season.
For me
PROS
Thomas - Smarter/higher IQ, better jumpshot, more versatile on defense
Williams - Stronger, More Athletic, younger and can still improve, better at creating his own look, better on the break and at drawing fouls.
CONS
Thomas - Doesn't pass well or at all, can't really create his own shot
Williams - Defense is suspect, a bit of a headcase
I feel Thomas is better for the short term, but Williams is the better longterm investment.
Such an easy question that nobody can get wrong and if someone does then they have serious problems. D.Williams is the same exact player he's been his entire career so far which is an inconsistent player that doesn't play defense and can't shoot the ball but will come up with some highlight dunks and will get to the basket and foul line but he'll do it inconsistently. You sign LT and don't even give it thought.
Yeah but the difference is that Dwill has been much more of an impactful player here than he has anywhere else he has played(2nd on team in WS48) and has found a comfortable niche were he can develop his game. We just need to be a little more patient with him.
Easy choice for me to sign LT. I want my guys to play defense which DW does not do and LT has an outside shot which DW does not have. He isn't a great shooter but he's worked his butt of to get better last off season and his hard work got him better. They both have great energy.
I have to think DWill would look amazing playing on G State, and Lance might not get off their bench. That said, with the system Phil is looking to run here, Lance probably gets signed in that scenario of equal money. I suspect that they will get different offers and Lance will be a better value.
I'm having to think about this . . . if I don't weasel out by qualifying my answer ("If short term . . . else if long term").
Simple question with no qualifiers: Thomas or Williams (?)
Hmmm.
I go with Thomas. He'd be harder to replace with same skill set than Williams . . .
The bigger question is: why are they getting so little playing time these last ten games????
Can we combine the two tip one person?
Knicks1969 wrote:I like DWill a lot, but Lance shows that h is a two-way player. That said, I would pay Lance over Williams
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Take January away from Lance Thomas and what do you have really? It was Lansanity. And fads don't last.
I think Lance Thomas over DWill.
this is a bird in the hand vs two in the bush dilemma, or do you prefer bonds or stocks
Lance is solid and probably can play no better than we've seen. We are short on talent so it's tempting to go with him because he more consistently contributes and you need some good eggs on the roster
However, if the goal is to win big and compete for championships I think we need to go with DWill and try and develop him. He still has the chance to be a force
Chandler wrote:this is a bird in the hand vs two in the bush dilemma, or do you prefer bonds or stocksLance is solid and probably can play no better than we've seen. We are short on talent so it's tempting to go with him because he more consistently contributes and you need some good eggs on the roster
However, if the goal is to win big and compete for championships I think we need to go with DWill and try and develop him. He still has the chance to be a force
wasn't that the same consensus of LT about 6 months ago?
DWill has more physical talent and is younger. LT has done more with his talent than DWill has and has also shown a propensity to get MUCH better.
For me the big knock on LT is his passing, it's atrocious. I also think he needs to be a better rebounder.
Knicks1969 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:I think they let Lance walk and try to give that spot to Thansis. They need to cut salary in a few spots so they can upgrade the whole roster of Guards. They need to play OQuinn a lot down the stretch. Hopefully he will play well and can increase his trade value.Im hoping we can get a 2nd round pick for him. Bring in Willy G to be our back up Center to replace Seraphin and O'quinn.
Willy G?????
I meant Willy H ,Guillermo Hernangomez
