Knicks · Some big need options this summer. (page 1)

Feel biggest need this off season is consistent outside shooting. Specifically 3pt%. Many successful teams have several three point shooters on the floor. A sign of the new NBA. The triangle places a premium on shooting guards. Sad to look at our guards 3pt%, minus Calderon. Looking at list of top 3pt percentage and free agents available, DJ Augustine and Jerryd Bayless seem like good options that may not be too costly. Both guards shoot well and can also penetrate.

Btw, Also like Batum for his all around game but probably too expensive. Here are the lists of 3pt% and FA's if you want to chime in.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player...

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

The player to target is Beal. I know he is restricted but I feel a deal could be reached. I'd like to retain Afflalo too. As for point guard I'd try to stay away from Rando. Let Grant develop into his role. Calderon can back him up. If the Knicks lose Afflalo then add Lin. I think Lin would be a great sixth man.

You line up:
Melo sf
KP pf
Lopez
Beal sg
Grant pg

Bench
Afflalo or Lin
Williams
O'quin
Hernangomez
Calderon
Thomas

Vmart wrote:The player to target is Beal. I know he is restricted but I feel a deal could be reached. I'd like to retain Afflalo too. As for point guard I'd try to stay away from Rando. Let Grant develop into his role. Calderon can back him up. If the Knicks lose Afflalo then add Lin. I think Lin would be a great sixth man.

You line up:
Melo sf
KP pf
Lopez
Beal sg
Grant pg

Bench
Afflalo or Lin
Williams
O'quin
Hernangomez
Calderon
Thomas

Beal is improving but is still overrated plus he will want the max. There is little reason why Washington would not spend their cap space on Beal. You'd have a better chance stealing Fournier out of Orlando or getting Crabbe from Portland by overpaying them. Yet if you(generally speaking) have Beal as a max level guy you should have those two too

yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:The player to target is Beal. I know he is restricted but I feel a deal could be reached. I'd like to retain Afflalo too. As for point guard I'd try to stay away from Rando. Let Grant develop into his role. Calderon can back him up. If the Knicks lose Afflalo then add Lin. I think Lin would be a great sixth man.

You line up:
Melo sf
KP pf
Lopez
Beal sg
Grant pg

Bench
Afflalo or Lin
Williams
O'quin
Hernangomez
Calderon
Thomas

Beal is improving but is still overrated plus he will want the max. There is little reason why Washington would not spend their cap space on Beal. You'd have a better chance stealing Fournier out of Orlando or getting Crabbe from Portland by overpaying them. Yet if you(generally speaking) have Beal as a max level guy you should have those two too

Beal has a chronic injury issue that means he will be on a minutes restriction the rest of his career- how does that usually work out for us? No thanks!

Just out of interest, what do people think of Harrison Barnes? (I'd only consider him if we traded Melo)- does he look better than he is because of the Warriors, or does being on that team hold him back? I know he's pretty inconsistent, but haven't really watched him enough.

jackson is not going to bring in poor defenders for the backcourt. been there done that. rubio and turner should be pursued. they both are long and rangy and are terrific passers.

dk7th wrote:jackson is not going to bring in poor defenders for the backcourt. been there done that. rubio and turner should be pursued. they both are long and rangy and are terrific passers.

Rubio should not be considered at all. His game is way too flawed. Turner really isn't a good player, but fits what the Celtics do. If they let him walk it will be because of salary, and we should do the same.

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:jackson is not going to bring in poor defenders for the backcourt. been there done that. rubio and turner should be pursued. they both are long and rangy and are terrific passers.

Rubio should not be considered at all. His game is way too flawed. Turner really isn't a good player, but fits what the Celtics do. If they let him walk it will be because of salary, and we should do the same.

the knicks main flaw as a team is the backcourt defense. rubio and turner help the knicks with that main flaw, though they both are flawed in other areas. i say you live with what other flaws they may possess because they both address the main flaw which is backcourt defense.

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:The player to target is Beal. I know he is restricted but I feel a deal could be reached. I'd like to retain Afflalo too. As for point guard I'd try to stay away from Rando. Let Grant develop into his role. Calderon can back him up. If the Knicks lose Afflalo then add Lin. I think Lin would be a great sixth man.

You line up:
Melo sf
KP pf
Lopez
Beal sg
Grant pg

Bench
Afflalo or Lin
Williams
O'quin
Hernangomez
Calderon
Thomas

Beal is improving but is still overrated plus he will want the max. There is little reason why Washington would not spend their cap space on Beal. You'd have a better chance stealing Fournier out of Orlando or getting Crabbe from Portland by overpaying them. Yet if you(generally speaking) have Beal as a max level guy you should have those two too

Beal has a chronic injury issue that means he will be on a minutes restriction the rest of his career- how does that usually work out for us? No thanks!

Just out of interest, what do people think of Harrison Barnes? (I'd only consider him if we traded Melo)- does he look better than he is because of the Warriors, or does being on that team hold him back? I know he's pretty inconsistent, but haven't really watched him enough.

I think he lacks the dribbling ability to transition to the 2. It would be nice if he was the Joe Johnson of GSW but i don't think he is.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:jackson is not going to bring in poor defenders for the backcourt. been there done that. rubio and turner should be pursued. they both are long and rangy and are terrific passers.

Rubio should not be considered at all. His game is way too flawed. Turner really isn't a good player, but fits what the Celtics do. If they let him walk it will be because of salary, and we should do the same.

the knicks main flaw as a team is the backcourt defense. rubio and turner help the knicks with that main flaw, though they both are flawed in other areas. i say you live with what other flaws they may possess because they both address the main flaw which is backcourt defense.

They make the Knicks backcourt defense better by comparison of what we currently have, but in this NBA, you have to not only hold your own, which most guards do not, but also tip the scales on the offensive end.

Rubio's defense is not stellar enough to erase the liability he is on offense. He's nearly the exact opposite of Jose, flaw-wise. Turner is a role player who'll be one of the latter guys to be signed, in other words, not a priority.

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knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:jackson is not going to bring in poor defenders for the backcourt. been there done that. rubio and turner should be pursued. they both are long and rangy and are terrific passers.

Rubio should not be considered at all. His game is way too flawed. Turner really isn't a good player, but fits what the Celtics do. If they let him walk it will be because of salary, and we should do the same.

the knicks main flaw as a team is the backcourt defense. rubio and turner help the knicks with that main flaw, though they both are flawed in other areas. i say you live with what other flaws they may possess because they both address the main flaw which is backcourt defense.

They make the Knicks backcourt defense better by comparison of what we currently have, but in this NBA, you have to not only hold your own, which most guards do not, but also tip the scales on the offensive end.

Rubio's defense is not stellar enough to erase the liability he is on offense. He's nearly the exact opposite of Jose, flaw-wise. Turner is a role player who'll be one of the latter guys to be signed, in other words, not a priority.

since jackson is the gm and he has already expressed interest in evan turner-- someone i had been championing months before this revelation-- you may need to resign yourself to the possibility that the players i like for the jacksonian knicks are the players that are more likely to end up here than the other players who have been suggested by posters who are not on the same page as jackson.

the players that have been mentioned i doubt will wear the orange and blue. i also don't see a future for early as a knick. horrible defender and a dumb player offensively.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:jackson is not going to bring in poor defenders for the backcourt. been there done that. rubio and turner should be pursued. they both are long and rangy and are terrific passers.

Rubio should not be considered at all. His game is way too flawed. Turner really isn't a good player, but fits what the Celtics do. If they let him walk it will be because of salary, and we should do the same.

the knicks main flaw as a team is the backcourt defense. rubio and turner help the knicks with that main flaw, though they both are flawed in other areas. i say you live with what other flaws they may possess because they both address the main flaw which is backcourt defense.

They make the Knicks backcourt defense better by comparison of what we currently have, but in this NBA, you have to not only hold your own, which most guards do not, but also tip the scales on the offensive end.

Rubio's defense is not stellar enough to erase the liability he is on offense. He's nearly the exact opposite of Jose, flaw-wise. Turner is a role player who'll be one of the latter guys to be signed, in other words, not a priority.

since jackson is the gm and he has already expressed interest in evan turner-- someone i had been championing months before this revelation-- you may need to resign yourself to the possibility that the players i like for the jacksonian knicks are the players that are more likely to end up here than the other players who have been suggested by posters who are not on the same page as jackson.

the players that have been mentioned i doubt will wear the orange and blue. i also don't see a future for early as a knick. horrible defender and a dumb player offensively.

Phil might like Turner but the rumor came from a comment Chris Mannix said that a source told him PJax likes Turner. Did the source come up with this because Isola said awhile back that Phil should look at Turner because he was a big guard.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:jackson is not going to bring in poor defenders for the backcourt. been there done that. rubio and turner should be pursued. they both are long and rangy and are terrific passers.

Rubio should not be considered at all. His game is way too flawed. Turner really isn't a good player, but fits what the Celtics do. If they let him walk it will be because of salary, and we should do the same.

the knicks main flaw as a team is the backcourt defense. rubio and turner help the knicks with that main flaw, though they both are flawed in other areas. i say you live with what other flaws they may possess because they both address the main flaw which is backcourt defense.

They make the Knicks backcourt defense better by comparison of what we currently have, but in this NBA, you have to not only hold your own, which most guards do not, but also tip the scales on the offensive end.

Rubio's defense is not stellar enough to erase the liability he is on offense. He's nearly the exact opposite of Jose, flaw-wise. Turner is a role player who'll be one of the latter guys to be signed, in other words, not a priority.

since jackson is the gm and he has already expressed interest in evan turner-- someone i had been championing months before this revelation-- you may need to resign yourself to the possibility that the players i like for the jacksonian knicks are the players that are more likely to end up here than the other players who have been suggested by posters who are not on the same page as jackson.

the players that have been mentioned i doubt will wear the orange and blue. i also don't see a future for early as a knick. horrible defender and a dumb player offensively.

Phil might like Turner but the rumor came from a comment Chris Mannix said that a source told him PJax likes Turner. Did the source come up with this because Isola said awhile back that Phil should look at Turner because he was a big guard.

ok could be. either way i like turner rubio horford as free agent pickups this summer. my bet is we will land one of the three this summer.

I'd rather Phil trade a 2nd rd pick for MCW than pay Turner major money(over $2.8m). At least there is irrational hope for the fans that maybe he improves.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:jackson is not going to bring in poor defenders for the backcourt. been there done that. rubio and turner should be pursued. they both are long and rangy and are terrific passers.

Rubio should not be considered at all. His game is way too flawed. Turner really isn't a good player, but fits what the Celtics do. If they let him walk it will be because of salary, and we should do the same.

the knicks main flaw as a team is the backcourt defense. rubio and turner help the knicks with that main flaw, though they both are flawed in other areas. i say you live with what other flaws they may possess because they both address the main flaw which is backcourt defense.

They make the Knicks backcourt defense better by comparison of what we currently have, but in this NBA, you have to not only hold your own, which most guards do not, but also tip the scales on the offensive end.

Rubio's defense is not stellar enough to erase the liability he is on offense. He's nearly the exact opposite of Jose, flaw-wise. Turner is a role player who'll be one of the latter guys to be signed, in other words, not a priority.

since jackson is the gm and he has already expressed interest in evan turner-- someone i had been championing months before this revelation-- you may need to resign yourself to the possibility that the players i like for the jacksonian knicks are the players that are more likely to end up here than the other players who have been suggested by posters who are not on the same page as jackson.

the players that have been mentioned i doubt will wear the orange and blue. i also don't see a future for early as a knick. horrible defender and a dumb player offensively.

On the lines of what Crush posted, Phil hasn't actually said anything whether true or not the rumor was started elsewhere. Seems that you'd rather be right than actually want the best for the Knicks, otherwise you wouldn't be promoting Rubio of all sorts who isn't even a free agent, and a role player who can be had later on. No need for championing him, Turner will still be there when the dust settles or Boston resigns him. Horford could be a Knicks and that would be typical Phil...add more bigs when we needs guards.

Vmart wrote:The player to target is Beal. I know he is restricted but I feel a deal could be reached. I'd like to retain Afflalo too. As for point guard I'd try to stay away from Rando. Let Grant develop into his role. Calderon can back him up. If the Knicks lose Afflalo then add Lin. I think Lin would be a great sixth man.

You line up:
Melo sf
KP pf
Lopez
Beal sg
Grant pg

Bench
Afflalo or Lin
Williams
O'quin
Hernangomez
Calderon
Thomas

Washington can give him more and they will, unless they sign KD, which is slim to none. And Beal to me, is a risk and too pricey. Besides, Phil has already said he is not looking to overpay and feels there are less expensive options.

yellowboy90 wrote:I'd rather Phil trade a 2nd rd pick for MCW than pay Turner major money(over $2.8m). At least there is irrational hope for the fans that maybe he improves.

He has a torn labrum in his hip. Not sure what the recovery rate for something like that is.

I posted this the other day and think it might be the most judicious way to use our cap space to address our needs:

5 - Lopez
4 - Porzingis
3 - Melo
2 - PJ Hairston
1 - Jerryd Bayless
---------------------
4/5 - Willy Hernangomez
3/4 - Derrick Williams
3/2 - Solomon Hill
2/1 - Wroten
1 - Yogi Ferrell (Marcus Paige, Russ Smith?)
---------------------
5 - Jordan Bachynski
4 - O'Quinn
2 - Terrico White
1 - Grant
1 - Calderon

Major facelift for the starting backcourt w/o overspending. Even though I like AA, I'd try to convince him to opt out. Hopefully he does. I'd like to move in a different direction at 2G. There'd be more firepower off the bench. I think Willy's gonna be a decent big and Wroten/Ferrell (Paige/Russ Smith?) leading a break with D-Will and/or Solomon Hill finishing could be DEADLY. Even the 3rd unit goes 4-5 deep in this scenario. Looking at improved guard play throughout the roster, an improvement at backup 4/5 with Willy H/Bachynski over Seraphin/KOQ, and finally a few more transition players to either team up with or replace D-Will. Hopefully Melo maintains his level of play or close to it, RoLo continues being productive and KP takes another step forward.

To conserve even more money for the summer of 2017 (Curry, Westbrook--hey no guarantees of course but we need to shoot for something, right? Westbrook would be more realistic) we could pass on Bayless and have Calderon steer the ship one more year (with Ferrell/Paige/Smith and/or Grant as understudies), pass on a long term deal for D-Will or re-up D-Will and see if he'd defer some money in yr 2 of his new deal, dump O'Quinn for a future 2/expiring contract(s)/cash etc., and maybe Melo and RoLo could be asked to defer a $1-2mm apiece (not sure how this works--does the CBA allow for something like this?). Then Calderon comes off the books and say the cap pushes slightly higher--all together, hopefully that puts us in position to offer a max contract in 2017 or damn close.

Vmart wrote:The player to target is Beal. I know he is restricted but I feel a deal could be reached. I'd like to retain Afflalo too. As for point guard I'd try to stay away from Rando. Let Grant develop into his role. Calderon can back him up. If the Knicks lose Afflalo then add Lin. I think Lin would be a great sixth man.

You line up:
Melo sf
KP pf
Lopez
Beal sg
Grant pg

Bench
Afflalo or Lin
Williams
O'quin
Hernangomez
Calderon
Thomas

Hellz no on Beal cause the guy has chronic knee issues. I'd rather spend less on a C.Lee than spend max or near max on Beal.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Vmart wrote:The player to target is Beal. I know he is restricted but I feel a deal could be reached. I'd like to retain Afflalo too. As for point guard I'd try to stay away from Rando. Let Grant develop into his role. Calderon can back him up. If the Knicks lose Afflalo then add Lin. I think Lin would be a great sixth man.

You line up:
Melo sf
KP pf
Lopez
Beal sg
Grant pg

Bench
Afflalo or Lin
Williams
O'quin
Hernangomez
Calderon
Thomas

Hellz no on Beal cause the guy has chronic knee issues. I'd rather spend less on a C.Lee than spend max or near max on Beal.

It's a stress reaction on the lower leg not the knee. If Washington is giving him the max or near max what does it say about his condition. Trust me other teams are not as generous as the Knicks in dishing out contract to players. This is no H20 situation, but no matter I'm really not high on any player in free agency. I personally think Derozan is the best of the group would love to get him but Toronto will max him out. How does the conversion of Canadian dollar to dollar play out anyone know?

Finestrg wrote:I posted this the other day and think it might be the most judicious way to use our cap space to address our needs:

5 - Lopez
4 - Porzingis
3 - Melo
2 - PJ Hairston
1 - Jerryd Bayless
---------------------
4/5 - Willy Hernangomez
3/4 - Derrick Williams
3/2 - Solomon Hill
2/1 - Wroten
1 - Yogi Ferrell (Marcus Paige, Russ Smith?)
---------------------
5 - Jordan Bachynski
4 - O'Quinn
2 - Terrico White
1 - Grant
1 - Calderon

Major facelift for the starting backcourt w/o overspending. Even though I like AA, I'd try to convince him to opt out. Hopefully he does. I'd like to move in a different direction at 2G. There'd be more firepower off the bench. I think Willy's gonna be a decent big and Wroten/Ferrell (Paige/Russ Smith?) leading a break with D-Will and/or Solomon Hill finishing could be DEADLY. Even the 3rd unit goes 4-5 deep in this scenario. Looking at improved guard play throughout the roster, an improvement at backup 4/5 with Willy H/Bachynski over Seraphin/KOQ, and finally a few more transition players to either team up with or replace D-Will. Hopefully Melo maintains his level of play or close to it, RoLo continues being productive and KP takes another step forward.

To conserve even more money for the summer of 2017 (Curry, Westbrook--hey no guarantees of course but we need to shoot for something, right? Westbrook would be more realistic) we could pass on Bayless and have Calderon steer the ship one more year (with Ferrell/Paige/Smith and/or Grant as understudies), pass on a long term deal for D-Will or re-up D-Will and see if he'd defer some money in yr 2 of his new deal, dump O'Quinn for a future 2/expiring contract(s)/cash etc., and maybe Melo and RoLo could be asked to defer a $1-2mm apiece (not sure how this works--does the CBA allow for something like this?). Then Calderon comes off the books and say the cap pushes slightly higher--all together, hopefully that puts is in position to offer a max contract in 2017 or damn close.

I think Terrico White, Bachynski, Smith and Hill all would be good value pick ups. Also, I think the Knicks should try to find away to draft gbinige. I think he would be a good fit. With Henangomez and Bachynski I think it might free things up to trade oquinn. My guess is that Lou has a shot at coming back.