After speaking with friends about possible free agents the knicks could get, we ended up wondering WHAT factors a free agent looks for when choosing a team. Lets be honest, its not the Teams who dictate who they want - its the PLAYERS. While its impossible to get insider a players head, heres a list of factors i would think are important to players (I'll check mark the ones the knicks have)
- money to spend (compared to other teams)
- probability of WINNING
- supporting cast
- coaching
- Playing time
- culture/fans [X - check]
- weather/things to do
- Hometown
- State Taxes (Texas, Florida)
What do you think? I bet you if you create a spreadsheet profile for each team, that could tell more than WS48 or other analytics. (i dont know im just thinking out loud)
the lakers with the right coach and kobe outta here are more attractive. They always were.
Another thing to look at is where the player is from, west or east coast. Where they went to school. etc ...
Also taxes. Teams without state income tax have a huge advantage. The Texas and Florida teams come to mind.
Each player has his own set of priorities, last season we saw D.West throw away a boat load of guaranteed millions, to play with a top notch organization and a chance at a ring, and right now it's looking real good for him. Monroe..went to the Tiny market bucks, for money and a winning situation, not looking to good for him.
CrushAlot wrote:Also taxes. Teams without state income tax have a huge advantage. The Texas and Florida teams come to mind.
Yet Dallas cant recruit anyone despite having a great owner and a sure fire hof'er in dirk and a winning team for years.
Who was the last major player to sign with Orlando?
knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also taxes. Teams without state income tax have a huge advantage. The Texas and Florida teams come to mind.
Yet Dallas cant recruit anyone despite having a great owner and a sure fire hof'er in dirk and a winning team for years. Who was the last major player to sign with Orlando?
Parsons, Matthews. They've gotten their share?
knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also taxes. Teams without state income tax have a huge advantage. The Texas and Florida teams come to mind.
Yet Dallas cant recruit anyone despite having a great owner and a sure fire hof'er in dirk and a winning team for years. Who was the last major player to sign with Orlando?
Yeah that pretty much kills that argument.
I don't know what drives these players anymore. It's not winning.
knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also taxes. Teams without state income tax have a huge advantage. The Texas and Florida teams come to mind.
Yet Dallas cant recruit anyone despite having a great owner and a sure fire hof'er in dirk and a winning team for years. Who was the last major player to sign with Orlando?
i dont think folks are saying taxes are the ONLY factor. but i think its a factor - you get to keep the other half of the money you earn
martin wrote:knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also taxes. Teams without state income tax have a huge advantage. The Texas and Florida teams come to mind.
Yet Dallas cant recruit anyone despite having a great owner and a sure fire hof'er in dirk and a winning team for years. Who was the last major player to sign with Orlando?
Parsons, Matthews. They've gotten their share?
Role players that were overpaid is their share?
EnySpree wrote:knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also taxes. Teams without state income tax have a huge advantage. The Texas and Florida teams come to mind.
Yet Dallas cant recruit anyone despite having a great owner and a sure fire hof'er in dirk and a winning team for years. Who was the last major player to sign with Orlando?
Yeah that pretty much kills that argument.
I don't know what drives these players anymore. It's not winning.
it certainly isn't taxes. even LeBron while in Miami maintained Cleveland as his PRIMARY residence.
top tier players usually do two things. 1)stay where they are. 2)go to a winning situation. The rest usually choose money above all.
callmened wrote:knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also taxes. Teams without state income tax have a huge advantage. The Texas and Florida teams come to mind.
Yet Dallas cant recruit anyone despite having a great owner and a sure fire hof'er in dirk and a winning team for years. Who was the last major player to sign with Orlando?
i dont think folks are saying taxes are the ONLY factor. but i think its a factor - you get to keep the other half of the money you earn
The poster said huge factor...it isn't. No player has admitted going to a team because of lower taxes. And I've named two that have major issues signing good players.
callmened wrote:After speaking with friends about possible free agents the knicks could get, we ended up wondering WHAT factors a free agent looks for when choosing a team. Lets be honest, its not the Teams who dictate who they want - its the PLAYERS. While its impossible to get insider a players head, heres a list of factors i would think are important to players (I'll check mark the ones the knicks have)- money to spend (compared to other teams)
- probability of WINNING
- supporting cast
- coaching
- Playing time
- culture/fans [X - check]
- weather/things to do
- Hometown
- State Taxes (Texas, Florida)
What do you think? I bet you if you create a spreadsheet profile for each team, that could tell more than WS48 or other analytics. (i dont know im just thinking out loud)
How is this related to analytics? The analytics are what the team's GM should use, not the FA player.
Bonn1997 wrote:How is this related to analytics? The analytics are what the team's GM should use, not the FA player.
its not related to analytics at all
knickscity wrote:callmened wrote:knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also taxes. Teams without state income tax have a huge advantage. The Texas and Florida teams come to mind.
Yet Dallas cant recruit anyone despite having a great owner and a sure fire hof'er in dirk and a winning team for years. Who was the last major player to sign with Orlando?
i dont think folks are saying taxes are the ONLY factor. but i think its a factor - you get to keep the other half of the money you earn
The poster said huge factor...it isn't. No player has admitted going to a team because of lower taxes. And I've named two that have major issues signing good players.
i never said it would be a "HUGE" factor but (my) logic dictates that it could be a factor - simply because you keep the other half of your money
please dont take this as the Ten Commandments of free agency. this is simply a list of factors that players might be thinking about. i HAVE no idea and obviously it changes from person to person. its just something to ponder thats all.
also, a player like David West and alike just want to go to a contender at that age.
callmened wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:How is this related to analytics? The analytics are what the team's GM should use, not the FA player.
its not related to analytics at all
OK, I guess I misunderstood your comment in the original message
Bonn1997 wrote:callmened wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:How is this related to analytics? The analytics are what the team's GM should use, not the FA player.
its not related to analytics at all
OK, I guess I misunderstood your comment in the original message
my bad. sorry about that. yeah i was just trying to think of the player perspective of why or why not they would go to one team to another. no we will never know and each player is different. but its just something to think of when WE think about realistic free agent targets
callmened wrote:knickscity wrote:callmened wrote:knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also taxes. Teams without state income tax have a huge advantage. The Texas and Florida teams come to mind.
Yet Dallas cant recruit anyone despite having a great owner and a sure fire hof'er in dirk and a winning team for years. Who was the last major player to sign with Orlando?
i dont think folks are saying taxes are the ONLY factor. but i think its a factor - you get to keep the other half of the money you earn
The poster said huge factor...it isn't. No player has admitted going to a team because of lower taxes. And I've named two that have major issues signing good players.
i never said it would be a "HUGE" factor but (my) logic dictates that it could be a factor - simply because you keep the other half of your money
you are aware that no state income tax does not equal no tax, right? most states have a state income tax of about 5-8%. players still have to play federal tax and social security. It's not 50% of their money, it's 5-8% at best. aka something a good accountant can get them in most states.
crzymdups wrote:callmened wrote:knickscity wrote:callmened wrote:knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also taxes. Teams without state income tax have a huge advantage. The Texas and Florida teams come to mind.
Yet Dallas cant recruit anyone despite having a great owner and a sure fire hof'er in dirk and a winning team for years. Who was the last major player to sign with Orlando?
i dont think folks are saying taxes are the ONLY factor. but i think its a factor - you get to keep the other half of the money you earn
The poster said huge factor...it isn't. No player has admitted going to a team because of lower taxes. And I've named two that have major issues signing good players.
i never said it would be a "HUGE" factor but (my) logic dictates that it could be a factor - simply because you keep the other half of your money
you are aware that no state income tax does not equal no tax, right? most states have a state income tax of about 5-8%. players still have to play federal tax and social security. It's not 50% of their money, it's 5-8% at best. aka something a good accountant can get them in most states.
Yeah but NYC has a city income tax as well. Awhile back when LBJ was being praised for taking less to play with the Amigos his net income was the same as Melos after state and city income tax. Making 8 or 12% less is significant when you talk about millions.
