Knicks · Knicks would come full circle if they hired this guy as Phil's replacement (page 1)

Masai Ujiri. From the fleecer and destroyer of the Knicks to it's savior?! Sign me the phuck up!

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Would be the best move Jimmy D done for the Knicks in years. A proven commodity, a proven winner, tons of experience as an exec, the opposite of Phil's noob style. Built playoff teams out of two shithole franchises. Fleeced the Knicks repeated times (Melo trade, Bargnani trade). Stole from the Knicks pockets so many times, he got Dolan so shook and frazzled that Dolan 2nd guessed himself on the Kyle Lowry trade to New York, and it ended up roses for Toronto.

This is the man for the job if there was ever a right one.

Wow, that Isola tidbit really got the gulible.....The guy that hired him now works for Irving, the guy that put Dolan and Phil together, so naturally that's the next guy that the next guy recommends!!!! Slow Knicks news these days so the angry get to latch on to some hope.

Yes, he is proven, and under contract. No doubt the guy has a good track record. Now you have someone you can get angry that we should hire instead of a mystical person. Mills becomes president then this guy takes over. Ok.
While we like proven commodities, I prefer Phil keep building a culture where success breeds success INTERNALLY and feeds upon itself. This is the key ingredient to a successful club. Notice the Larry Brown Legacy in SAS? that was born 20 years ago and Pop hatched from that.

What one has to see is not the obvious cuz you don't know that is transposes to instant success other than conceptual starphuching wishing upon a star type scenario. If Ujiri came tomorrow, we still don't have a pick this year, and our cap is what it is. Grant is not a star, and Jose is not Jason Kidd!!!

Masai has done a great job but one has to look at the hand he was dealt when he walked on the job. One has to look very closely at a teams assets the moment the new guy walks on the job. Like in NY, Isiah table was set based on the previous two years where Layden (via Dolan) did little after the Dyss disaster), and Toronto under colangelo had not done well, but the team did not need a full tear down. Teams that after missing the playoffs for 5 years then make it three straight is not because the new GM came on the job Exclusively. I doubt he even takes the job (Logical) if they did not have assets in place and that he could work with and feel he could succeed with.

I dont' care what phil said when he took the job, cuz NBA bullshyt soundbytes tell us what we want to hear. Phil was either aware the team was not strong and needed a tear down or he is clueless. While a noob to the job and not some wizard with great powers, not all he does will be golden. I agree with fish when he says Phil is a noob president and does not know what to do in all phases. While you don't pay 12mil for inexperience, Phil brings other qualities and star power.

Chuck, its common for you being "That Guy" that you like to repel against others high expectations like Melo being a worshipped as a god, or those that show love for phil and you relish being "that guy" who "KNows" phil was not a god and can strut around saying "Told yah", but there are many that have tempered expectations and don't take the starphuch. At the same level, we don't take the Isola weak story and run with it either. It is all over the internet so it starts to have some elements of validity, but really its nothing.

Would I like him here? Sure, but why do 5 years of triangle and culture building then have to clean house again for the next philosophy? If Phil does not succeed then perhaps we go in another direction, but if after just two years on the job and the assets in place over that time do factor in. We are paying dearly for that Bargnani trade and Phil has one less huge asset to work with.

"Full circle"? I think its chasing ones tale. Besides, why join the franchise you raped twice and deal with the aftermath? Perhaps he should wait a few more years. Logical. So basically if its an attractive gig then its the present administration that sets the table. Starphuchers can't think that thru can they?

Better Phil didn't whore out the franchise future picks for compromised guard play. Kyle Lowrey does not take this team to the promised land and by 2018 rolls around the kid might be average.

@Nalod, do you actually think Phil is here the full 5 years of his commitment? And at $12million a year. It's not my money, not yours, it's Dolan's so phuck him, but at the same time you gotta get some sort of positive results in the 3 years he's been here, right?

With Masai, we're not tied to a stupid ass backwards system and a pitiful coaching candidate pool that can execute said system. With Masai you'll get results very very soon, because unlike Phil, he actually knows what he's doing.

Thank God for Clarence Gaines getting us Porzingis...

ChuckBuck wrote:@Nalod, do you actually think Phil is here the full 5 years of his commitment? And at $12million a year. It's not my money, not yours, it's Dolan's so phuck him, but at the same time you gotta get some sort of positive results in the 3 years he's been here, right?

With Masai, we're not tied to a stupid ass backwards system and a pitiful coaching candidate pool that can execute said system. With Masai you'll get results very very soon, because unlike Phil, he actually knows what he's doing.

Thank God for Clarence Gaines getting us Porzingis...

how come you can't get even basic facts right when you post? Phil was hired March 2014.

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:@Nalod, do you actually think Phil is here the full 5 years of his commitment? And at $12million a year. It's not my money, not yours, it's Dolan's so phuck him, but at the same time you gotta get some sort of positive results in the 3 years he's been here, right?

With Masai, we're not tied to a stupid ass backwards system and a pitiful coaching candidate pool that can execute said system. With Masai you'll get results very very soon, because unlike Phil, he actually knows what he's doing.

Thank God for Clarence Gaines getting us Porzingis...

how come you can't get even basic facts right when you post? Phil was hired March 2014.

Ignorance. If nobody knows I guess it's right

ChuckBuck wrote:@Nalod, do you actually think Phil is here the full 5 years of his commitment? And at $12million a year. It's not my money, not yours, it's Dolan's so phuck him, but at the same time you gotta get some sort of positive results in the 3 years he's been here, right?

With Masai, we're not tied to a stupid ass backwards system and a pitiful coaching candidate pool that can execute said system. With Masai you'll get results very very soon, because unlike Phil, he actually knows what he's doing.

Thank God for Clarence Gaines getting us Porzingis...

Reread what I said, its about the assets you walk into the door with.

If Masai actually tomorrow took over tomorrow, what does he have to work with that Phil doesn't? Do you think the triangle is the culprit of the team not being in the playoffs?
Does the Triangle get you our pick back?

Did you even read the actual basis of this "News"?
In the TWO years he was hear, he did a full tear down and the team was .500 half way thru the system with the worst back court known to mankind.

What about continuity?

Dwayne Casey in Minnesota:

33-49
20-20 then fired.

IN Toronto he is now in his FiFTH season!
First year 23-43 Digest that and think what Chuckbuck would be harping about? You'd think this was the dumbest hiring as his record in Minny was bad!!!
second year 34-48. Now what is chuck buck vomiting?
Year three, four and five in first place. It was a combonation of a lot of things that came together.

Masai took over two years after casey was hired. Colangelo got Lowrey but Masai traded Bargnani and Gay. Very good moves. The rebuild that Colangelo started was completed very well by Masai.
Those were very good moves. I'd say if Phil can continue to build and not leverage giving assets time to mature and picks allowed to stick there is a good chance he, or anyone else can succeed.

Dwayne casey was hired by Bryan Collangelo and Dwayne Casey sucked in Minnesota!!!! Doesn't that just blow your mind? Know how and why others get to where they are and WHAT THE ASSETS IN PLACE AT THE TIME CHAGES ARE MADE!!!! Hiring Masai does not guarantee a thing, nor did Phil, Larry, Isiah, Lenny, Layden, Herb, MDA, Walsh, Grunwald, Fish, Woodson, etc etc etc!!!!!

You the fan don't have to be accountable for anything at any time nor account for accurate history when you starphuch unicorn dream for your team. Its a good gig!

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:@Nalod, do you actually think Phil is here the full 5 years of his commitment? And at $12million a year. It's not my money, not yours, it's Dolan's so phuck him, but at the same time you gotta get some sort of positive results in the 3 years he's been here, right?

With Masai, we're not tied to a stupid ass backwards system and a pitiful coaching candidate pool that can execute said system. With Masai you'll get results very very soon, because unlike Phil, he actually knows what he's doing.

Thank God for Clarence Gaines getting us Porzingis...

how come you can't get even basic facts right when you post? Phil was hired March 2014.

Yes, he started in 2014 when Woodson was a lame duck, taking over for Grunwald, so it's technically midseason or tail end of the 2013-2014 season. Fired Woodson, traded Chandler and Felton for Jose and a whole lot of garbage.

2014-2015 season he hired Fisher to be his sock puppet to institute the triangle. Traded away Shump and JR and tanked away to Knicks franchise history.

2015-2016 Got lucky with KP, jury's out on Jerian, signed a whole lot of garbage free agents, RoLo half decent, and fired his hand picked coach.

By my count, that's 3 season's he's been a Knicks executive.

2014
2015
2016

Sure, he came at the tail end of the 2014 season, but he's in the history books and Basketball Reference as the Knicks President for 3 years.

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:@Nalod, do you actually think Phil is here the full 5 years of his commitment? And at $12million a year. It's not my money, not yours, it's Dolan's so phuck him, but at the same time you gotta get some sort of positive results in the 3 years he's been here, right?

With Masai, we're not tied to a stupid ass backwards system and a pitiful coaching candidate pool that can execute said system. With Masai you'll get results very very soon, because unlike Phil, he actually knows what he's doing.

Thank God for Clarence Gaines getting us Porzingis...

how come you can't get even basic facts right when you post? Phil was hired March 2014.

Yes, he started in 2014 when Woodson was a lame duck, taking over for Grunwald, so it's technically midseason or tail end of the 2013-2014 season. Fired Woodson, traded Chandler and Felton for Jose and a whole lot of garbage.

2014-2015 season he hired Fisher to be his sock puppet to institute the triangle. Traded away Shump and JR and tanked away to Knicks franchise history.

2015-2016 Got lucky with KP, jury's out on Jerian, signed a whole lot of garbage free agents, RoLo half decent, and fired his hand picked coach.

By my count, that's 3 season's he's been a Knicks executive.

2014
2015
2016

Sure, he came at the tail end of the 2014 season, but he's in the history books and Basketball Reference as the Knicks President for 3 years.

He was hired in March of 2014. That's 25 months.

Do you miss Chandler and felton? "Rolo half decent", awe, you sound like a child conceding a good point.
So you do you think last season should have gone? Trade for Lowrey, win 30 games and not have porzingis? or you just all like SAS thinking at the lowest level like "Damn, brand Name Phil should be doing better cuz we were sold on the starphuchedness of it all!!!"

You feel hoodwinked and Bamboozeled. SAS starts his rant that Phil should coach, and not the story that PHil met Dolan for hours with Irving Azoff but that he was a consultant and dolan peeled bills off until phil took the loot.

Your lapping up SAS facial Chuck!!!!

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:@Nalod, do you actually think Phil is here the full 5 years of his commitment? And at $12million a year. It's not my money, not yours, it's Dolan's so phuck him, but at the same time you gotta get some sort of positive results in the 3 years he's been here, right?

With Masai, we're not tied to a stupid ass backwards system and a pitiful coaching candidate pool that can execute said system. With Masai you'll get results very very soon, because unlike Phil, he actually knows what he's doing.

Thank God for Clarence Gaines getting us Porzingis...

how come you can't get even basic facts right when you post? Phil was hired March 2014.

Yes, he started in 2014 when Woodson was a lame duck, taking over for Grunwald, so it's technically midseason or tail end of the 2013-2014 season. Fired Woodson, traded Chandler and Felton for Jose and a whole lot of garbage.

2014-2015 season he hired Fisher to be his sock puppet to institute the triangle. Traded away Shump and JR and tanked away to Knicks franchise history.

2015-2016 Got lucky with KP, jury's out on Jerian, signed a whole lot of garbage free agents, RoLo half decent, and fired his hand picked coach.

By my count, that's 3 season's he's been a Knicks executive.

2014
2015
2016

Sure, he came at the tail end of the 2014 season, but he's in the history books and Basketball Reference as the Knicks President for 3 years.

He was hired in March of 2014. That's 25 months.

Do you miss Chandler and felton? "Rolo half decent", awe, you sound like a child conceding a good point.
So you do you think last season should have gone? Trade for Lowrey, win 30 games and not have porzingis? or you just all like SAS thinking at the lowest level like "Damn, brand Name Phil should be doing better cuz we were sold on the starphuchedness of it all!!!"

You feel hoodwinked and Bamboozeled. SAS starts his rant that Phil should coach, and not the story that PHil met Dolan for hours with Irving Azoff but that he was a consultant and dolan peeled bills off until phil took the loot.

Your lapping up SAS facial Chuck!!!!

MMmmmm Facial...

Truth hurts, don't it Nalod?

Say what you will about that asshole blowhard SAS, but most Knicks fans do feel this way at the moment.

We were "sold" Phil Jackson the NBA Champion coach, but got Phil the Noobie I haven't worked 1 day in a front office job and did nothing to deserve this position with zero rings or playoff appearances.

I mean, what part of his ranting and raving is actually wrong, though?

Starts off the rant with "Phil should be coaching"........

Most of SAS rant was subjective. Basiclly in a nutshell Chuck is you are mad at the hype that and your expectations were high. SAS said too he was excited.
Im saying look at what was really possible and think how many fatal mistakes were made? I don't think Jose was a fatal trade. Tyson and Felton?
Shump and JR are garbage. They were dumps.
I was excited Dolan let someone else run the team.
We picked 4th and PHIL who hired Gaines respected the guy he hired. That's not dumb luck, its the way it went down. You color it otherwise.

Fans/Media have been begging for a rebuild. We're doing just that and now they want to hire a guy exactly like Isiah Thomas.

EnySpree wrote:Fans/Media have been begging for a rebuild. We're doing just that and now they want to hire a guy exactly like Isiah Thomas.

SMDH! There's a sort of sickness that exists among the fans and media in NY. We can never expect to find success if we have to trash everything before it even gets started. Last summer Phil revamped the team but didn't overcommit to guys that he shouldn't. So he has another shot at building up the team again this summer. It's a more progressive approach and if he's allowed to keep going maybe he can complete the process, but as usual the clamour grows and the angry mob with pitchforks and torches are at the front of the Garden again. The same ole BS.

Isola points out fans want Dolan to go over Jax head and hire someone not named Rambis.
You know your are wrong when that is the case.

The easy thing to do is hire someone and sell that persons former success as the future but if the pieces are not there to begin with, it fails. This is our history. I call it "Starphuching". ChuckBuck calls it "Im that guy".......

Rebuilding isn't starting and playing all the vets the whole season except for one rookie.

Then maybe deciding to play the other rookie and youngsters 10-15 minutes once in a blue.

Use your brains guys, I know you have them (I think).

TRUST IN PHIL!!!

ChuckBuck wrote:Rebuilding isn't starting and playing all the vets the whole season except for one rookie.

Then maybe deciding to play the other rookie and youngsters 10-15 minutes once in a blue.

Use your brains guys, I know you have them (I think).

at .500 its all good. At below the yoots have not responded. Grant and Galloway have not exactly shined.
Dwilliams is not consistent.

Break it down, who deserved minutes that did not get it?

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Rebuilding isn't starting and playing all the vets the whole season except for one rookie.

Then maybe deciding to play the other rookie and youngsters 10-15 minutes once in a blue.

Use your brains guys, I know you have them (I think).

at .500 its all good. At below the yoots have not responded. Grant and Galloway have not exactly shined.
Dwilliams is not consistent.

Break it down, who deserved minutes that did not get it?

Are we trying to develop and teach and evaluate, or are we trying to win games?

That's really all it boils down to. It ain't rocket science.