BRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:I love that Briggs is ready to give Seth Curry, who played 12 good games for a losing team at the end of the season, $42M.But he'd balk at giving Mike Conley, who has shut down Chris Paul and Steph Curry in the playoffs, and can actually run an offense, $84M.
Ookkkkkkaayyyyy.
I'd give him 7-8 mm whatever the mle is that's 1/3 of what Conley will get
But Briggs, you have to know that it would be a huge risk to give this kid that kind of contract and with the type of bad contracts the Knicks have given out the last however many years it could be the type of risky contract that could hurt our future?? I understand that you like what the kid did in his starts he got to finish the season and i think we all like what we saw from him but is the risk worth what we saw in those games is the big question.
nyknickzingis wrote:I think Batum and Gasol would be more effective in what we like to do than Conley.Batum - 18$M
Gasol - 14$M
Assuming Afflalo and Williams opt out.
Batum will probably get max and Gasol is old. Everyone will get overpaid this offseason.
newyorker4ever wrote:BRIGGS wrote:="crzymdups"]
I love that Briggs is ready to give Seth Curry, who played 12 good games for a losing team at the end of the season, $42M.But he'd balk at giving Mike Conley, who has shut down Chris Paul and Steph Curry in the playoffs, and can actually run an offense, $84M.
Ookkkkkkaayyyyy.
I'd give him 7-8 mm whatever the mle is that's 1/3 of what Conley will get
But Briggs, you have t that it would be a huge risk to give this kid that kind of contract and with the type of bad contracts the Knicks have given out the last however many years it could be the type of risky contract that could hurt our future?? I understand that you like what the kid did in his starts he got to finish the season and i think we all like what we saw from him but is the risk worth what we saw in those games is the big question.
I'd like to role with Grant Curry Wroten and the hope we get a mid range pick. This way we can also allocatefunds to other positions.
Knixkik wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:I think Batum and Gasol would be more effective in what we like to do than Conley.Batum - 18$M
Gasol - 14$M
Assuming Afflalo and Williams opt out.
Batum will probably get max and Gasol is old. Everyone will get overpaid this offseason.
If we keep Melo Is like to convince d Gasol tocome here. I think he helps run the offense better and with him kp and Lopez wed have the best core fdontline
I don't think Gasol will come off the bench for this team. It doesn't make any sense since we are not close to winning a championship.
He would be better served going to Boston, ATL, LAC.
If you can get him for two years 16MM and get Conley for 14MM over 5 then it's a different story.
BRIGGS wrote:
I'd like to role with Grant Curry Wroten and the hope we get a mid range pick. This way we can also allocatefunds to other positions.
I like Grant and Wroten.
How do we get a mid-range pick? Last year we had Hardaway to trade. We don't have any young assets to trade worth a mid first round pick, unless you are talking about Grant and I think you'd be hard pressed to get one for Grant right now.
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BRIGGS wrote:
I'd like to role with Grant Curry Wroten and the hope we get a mid range pick. This way we can also allocatefunds to other positions.
I like Grant and Wroten.
How do we get a mid-range pick? Last year we had Hardaway to trade. We don't have any young assets to trade worth a mid first round pick, unless you are talking about Grant and I think you'd be hard pressed to get one for Grant right now.
Denver has 3 mid range picks I think we can offer our 2018 pick top 5 retricyed for one
Max Salary will be over $29 Million next season. I project that Conley will get about $24 Million annually. Although he would certainly help the Knicks, I would pass at a high salary.
BRIGGS wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:BRIGGS wrote:="crzymdups"]
I love that Briggs is ready to give Seth Curry, who played 12 good games for a losing team at the end of the season, $42M.But he'd balk at giving Mike Conley, who has shut down Chris Paul and Steph Curry in the playoffs, and can actually run an offense, $84M.
Ookkkkkkaayyyyy.
I'd give him 7-8 mm whatever the mle is that's 1/3 of what Conley will get
But Briggs, you have t that it would be a huge risk to give this kid that kind of contract and with the type of bad contracts the Knicks have given out the last however many years it could be the type of risky contract that could hurt our future?? I understand that you like what the kid did in his starts he got to finish the season and i think we all like what we saw from him but is the risk worth what we saw in those games is the big question.
I'd like to role with Grant Curry Wroten and the hope we get a mid range pick. This way we can also allocatefunds to other positions.
So you don't wanna answer my question then??
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:BRIGGS wrote:of course he will some dumb team will give him 20+++ mm
What do you think he's worth?? And don't give some crazy low ball answer cause you know that it's the way of the NBA right now that any player with any kind of legit name will be getting over paid in some way. He's a legit point guard in the NBA and just because he doesn't score 30 points every night doesn't mean he's not a top PG. He's got a really good all around game.
16-18 million per
that was the old NBA. This is the new NBA. You need to apply the Brigg's inflation formula. $34mm-$40mm for Conley
dude! I don't know what happened but you jumped of the briggswagon?
BRIGGS wrote:te="crzymdups"]
BRIGGS wrote:
I'd like to role with Grant Curry Wroten and the hope we get a mid range pick. This way we can also allocatefunds to other positions.
I like Grant and Wroten.
How do we get a mid-range pick? Last year we had Hardaway to trade. We don't have any young assets to trade worth a mid first round pick, unless you are talking about Grant and I think you'd be hard pressed to get one for Grant right now.
Denver has 3 mid range picks I think we can offer our 2018 pick top 5 retricyed for one
how come everytime you quote a post its messed up? It should not be that hard.
BRIGGS wrote:="crzymdups"]
I love that Briggs is ready to give Seth Curry, who played 12 good games for a losing team at the end of the season, $42M.But he'd balk at giving Mike Conley, who has shut down Chris Paul and Steph Curry in the playoffs, and can actually run an offense, $84M.
Ookkkkkkaayyyyy.
I'd give him 7-8 mm whatever the mle is that's 1/3 of what Conley will get I want other players which cost money. I don't want to spend 20-23 on one player
I think you have to give Conley the max. If we are learning anything its that its generally a guard's league. Portland has a sub par roster and overachieved with their guards. Charlotte overachieved with great PG play. Memphis overachieves year after year and Conley is one of the biggest reasons. Why not sign both Conley and Curry? Curry can replace Galloway off the bench. But with this being a guard's league and the type of impact Conley would clearly have, you pay a player like that what it takes.
Assuming Melo stays Gasol makes sense. Whether he starts or not he will see 28 minutes and Melo shouldn't see north of 30. If both Williams and Afflalo part, then I'd rather spend my money on Bazemore and Batum. They offer us well rounded players who can shoot, play defense and toughness. Both shoot well. Grant is a shooter in progress and he may come around with a jump shot but perhaps not. Likewise, I like Wroten but the injury concerns me. Batum can play 2 and 3 and take lots of Williams minutes while starting. Obviously if you pick up B and B there is little room for Gasol even if you stretch Jose.
Bazemore Batum Melo KP Lopez
Grant Wroten OQuinn WillyG Thomas
Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:="crzymdups"]
I love that Briggs is ready to give Seth Curry, who played 12 good games for a losing team at the end of the season, $42M.But he'd balk at giving Mike Conley, who has shut down Chris Paul and Steph Curry in the playoffs, and can actually run an offense, $84M.
Ookkkkkkaayyyyy.
I'd give him 7-8 mm whatever the mle is that's 1/3 of what Conley will get I want other players which cost money. I don't want to spend 20-23 on one player
I think you have to give Conley the max. If we are learning anything its that its generally a guard's league. Portland has a sub par roster and overachieved with their guards. Charlotte overachieved with great PG play. Memphis overachieves year after year and Conley is one of the biggest reasons. Why not sign both Conley and Curry? Curry can replace Galloway off the bench. But with this being a guard's league and the type of impact Conley would clearly have, you pay a player like that what it takes.
Why do I want Conley for 23-24mm? It makes no sense. Why spend all that money for a triangle pg?
im with BRIGGS on this one. conley will want the max. at his asge, injury history...i wouldnt give him that
Though I like him as a player, giving Conley a max contract would be a colossal mistake on par with giving Allan Houston max money, Amare Stoudemire max money, and Melo max money.
You just don't go throwing good money out at bad to fix a problem. Pocket that shyt and wait it out for a real stud. Conley, though above average, has never been an all star, never averaged more than 6 assists a game, never been the clear number 1 best player on his team...just way too many holes on the Knicks to plug to give all the money to a point guard.
Get a stop gap PG, and either draft one in 2017 or full court press for Russell Westbrook.
Briggs what did you do to some of these posts on here?? You somehow switched posts around and now have posts under my name that i never posted because they are your posts but you somehow switched to be under my name.
Knixkik wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:I think Batum and Gasol would be more effective in what we like to do than Conley.Batum - 18$M
Gasol - 14$M
Assuming Afflalo and Williams opt out.
Batum will probably get max and Gasol is old. Everyone will get overpaid this offseason.
Gasol would be a 2 year contract, to help increase the playoff chances in Melo's window. Lopez is good, but the Triangle operates best when it's Center can pass and score in the paint, as well as step out and shoot the jumper. Pau's skills are incredibly good even now. He fits. With Porzingis focusing on his defense this summer (according to him) he should be able to help more defensively. RoLo off the bench gives us one of the best front court rotations in the league. If we are able to keep Lance Thomas at 5$M a year, a rotation of Gasol/Porzingis/Melo/Lopez/Thomas would be outstanding.
Batum I agree likely outprices himself from what we'd want to pay. The one thing for Batum is that he's a great fit for what the Knicks like to do and what they want to do. He's got a similar set of skills and attributes to Pippen, not nearly the same level obviously, but he can pass, drive, defend and even shoot the 3. He's capable to play the 2, 3 or 4. Very versatile player. If he's smart he knows that this is a great situation for him. There's no way I'm interested in seeing the Knicks pay Batum 100$M over 4 years or anything like that. $72M over 4 years is a good offer and he's got to think about choosing a place where he can stay 3-4 years in. Depends what way he looks at it. Certainly teams like the Lakers can offer him more and maybe even his current team the Hornets give him more. Option B is Evan Turner. Who gives you similar things to what Batum does, without the same level of athleticism and without a 3 point shot. Turner wouldn't be cheap either, I think he would be getting something like $50M over 4 years.
hard to stomach touching Conley coming off this injury. If he was healthy fine... but this wreaks of Amare/Grant Hill/McDyess etc etc
