Knicks · ESPN-- Knicks have roughly 18 mm in cap space (page 1)

30 mm if affalo Williams opt out --- is this right? I thought we had 27 - 30 mm without anyone opting out

Sounds about right to me. I think it would've been 14 but the cap was slightly higher than originally projected. Depends whether we renounce Lance too I believe.

We'd get max money if we renounce everyone and Derrick and affalo both opt out.... free agents place a salary hold on the cap until they are renounced aka officially let go by the team.

I think they can also get 3.5 mm if they cut Calderon. It will be interesting to see if Affalo opts out. With 18 mm that changes my thought process. I thought we had atleast 30 mm.

BRIGGS wrote:I think they can also get 3.5 mm if they cut Calderon. It will be interesting to see if Affalo opts out. With 18 mm that changes my thought process. I thought we had atleast 30 mm.

are you able to replace Calderon's production with $3.5MM?

He played surprisingly well, and as the 4th or 5th guard off, not a bad player to have. Plus, an ending contracting so that is worth something as well.

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think they can also get 3.5 mm if they cut Calderon. It will be interesting to see if Affalo opts out. With 18 mm that changes my thought process. I thought we had atleast 30 mm.

are you able to replace Calderon's production with $3.5MM?

He played surprisingly well, and as the 4th or 5th guard off, not a bad player to have. Plus, an ending contracting so that is worth something as well.

I don't think having Calderon is a net positive.

BRIGGS wrote:30 mm if affalo Williams opt out --- is this right? I thought we had 27 - 30 mm without anyone opting out

Afflalo and DWill make a combined $14M next season, so if they opt out, it'd be more like $33M, I think.

That's including qualifying offers / cap holds to Langston Galloway and Lance Thomas, too. If we cut those guys loose, there'd be more room.

Also, if we stretch Jose, we can create something like $5M more, I think. Or at least $3.6M more. Totally worth it to stretch him, I think.

I think using an estimate of $35M is safe.

Stretching Calderon would be silly at this point. He expires after this season so his contract has value as a trade asset or cap space next season. Plus he is servicable as the second or,3rd guard off the bench. I mean if we get agreements from Batum and Conley or something and the only thing standing in the way is a couple mil then sure, but that's not gonna happen. Patience.

yeah those numbers sound about right. also please remember that cap space is not as important this yr since EVERYONE AND THEIR MAMA has it. relatively speaking, the knicks dont have that much cap space

callmened wrote:yeah those numbers sound about right. also please remember that cap space is not as important this yr since EVERYONE AND THEIR MAMA has it. relatively speaking, the knicks dont have that much cap space

Well it is all relative. Not everyone with a ton of cap space will be looking to spend it. Not everyone with cap space will be looking for the same players we are. So there will naturally be teams that we aren't going to be competing with for the players we want because they aren't interested in those players.

The very few elite Guard and Wing players on the market is a bigger issue for the Knicks. Those players rarely move anyway, so it's gonna take some special circumstance to get fortunate enough to land one. Chances are better that this team will continue to look for up and coming guys or talented players that need development. I can imagine the Knicks might look to offer big contracts to up and coming RFA's in hopes that their team won't match.

2016 Restricted Free Agents
PLAYER                  POS.    AGE     YOE     FROM    TO      2015 CAP HIT    STATUS
Jordan Clarkson	        PG	23	1	LAL	TBD	$845,059	RFA
Bryce Cotton	        PG	23	1	MEM	TBD	$49,709	        RFA
Isaiah Canaan	        PG	24	2	PHI	TBD	$947,276	RFA
Langston Galloway	PG	24	1	NYK	TBD	$845,059	RFA
Tim Frazier	        PG	25	1	NOP	TBD	$94,448	        RFA
Jorge Gutierrez	        PG	27	2	CHA	TBD	$189,455	RFA
Marcelo Huertas	        PG	32		LAL	TBD	$525,093	RFA
Bradley Beal	        SG	22	3	WAS	TBD	$5,694,674	RFA
Tyler Johnson	        SG	22	1	MIA	TBD	$845,059	RFA
Sergey Karasev	        SG	22	2	BKN	TBD	$1,599,840	RFA
Evan Fournier	        SG	23	3	ORL	TBD	$2,288,204	RFA
Dion Waiters	        SG	24	3	OKC	TBD	$5,138,430	RFA
Markel Brown	        SG	24	1	BKN	TBD	$845,059	RFA
Troy Daniels	        SG	24	2	CHA	TBD	$947,276	RFA
Ian Clark	        SG	25	2	GSW	TBD	$947,276	RFA
Maurice Harkless	SF	22	3	POR	TBD	$2,894,059	RFA
Harrison Barnes	        SF	23	3	GSW	TBD	$3,873,398	RFA
James McAdoo	        SF	23	1	GSW	TBD	$845,059	RFA
Allen Crabbe	        SF	24	2	POR	TBD	$947,276	RFA
Jarell Eddie	        SF	24	1	WAS	TBD	$561,716	RFA
Cleanthony Early	SF	25	1	NYK	TBD	$845,059	RFA
James Ennis	        SF	25	1	NOP	TBD	$49,709	        RFA
Cliff Alexander	        PF	20		POR	TBD	$525,093	RFA
Christian Wood	        PF	20		PHI	TBD	$30,888	        RFA
Terrence Jones	        PF	24	3	HOU	TBD	$2,489,529	RFA
Jared Sullinger	        PF	24	3	BOS	TBD	$2,269,260	RFA
Dwight Powell	        PF	24	1	DAL	TBD	$845,059	RFA
Donatas Motiejunas	PF	25	3	HOU	TBD	$2,288,205	RFA
Andrew Nicholson	PF	26	3	ORL	TBD	$2,380,593	RFA
Andre Drummond	        C	22	3	DET	TBD	$3,272,090	RFA
Meyers Leonard	        C	24	3	POR	TBD	$3,075,879	RFA
Tarik Black	        C	24	1	LAL	TBD	$845,059	RFA
Tyler Zeller	        C	26	3	BOS	TBD	$2,616,975	RFA
Festus Ezeli	        C	26	3	GSW	TBD	$2,008,748	RFA
Miles Plumlee	        C	27	3	MIL	TBD	$2,109,293	RFA
Boban Marjanovic	C	27		SAS	TBD	$1,200,000	RFA

So my number may be off a tad here and there but this is it in a nutshell.

			Salary
Player			2016-17
Carmelo Anthony		$24,559,380 
Robin Lopez		$13,500,000 
Afflalo			$8,000,000 
Jose Calderon		$7,708,427 
Dwill			$5,100,000 
Kristaps Porzingis	$4,317,720 
Kyle O'Quinn		$3,900,000 
Lance Thomas		$1,900,000 
Jerian Grant		$1,643,040 
Langston Galloway	$2,700,000 
Sasha Vujacic	
Cleanthony Early	
Team Totals		$73,328,567 
Projected Cap	 	$92,000,000 
Cap Space	 	$18,671,433 

I think Lance Thomas cap hold is $1.9M and Galloway is $2.7M because he met 2000 minutes on the season. AA and DWill are obviously player options. If you stretch Jose, you add approximately $5M to your cap space.

I might be off on Gallo's cap hold, but he can be cut and then the cap hold would only be $850,000.

Whats up folks.. All I know is I cannot remember the last time the knicks cap situation look healthy and clean 2 yrs in a row.. Wow!!!

Phil and the knicks mgmt utilizing patience and not forcing any decision making in signing multiple mediocre players to longterm contracts..

They are doing something that really will improve the ball club long term.. Hopefully they spend wisely and on areas we need improvements..

WOODMANnYk wrote:Whats up folks.. All I know is I cannot remember the last time the knicks cap situation look healthy and clean 2 yrs in a row.. Wow!!!

Phil and the knicks mgmt utilizing patience and not forcing any decision making in signing multiple mediocre players to longterm contracts..

They are doing something that really will improve the ball club long term.. Hopefully they spend wisely and on areas we need improvements..

The reason our cap situation looks so healthy is because the cap exploded last year and will explode again this year and the year after at least. It has nothing to do with anything our front office has done and it would have been nearly impossible for us to fuck up our cap situation like it has been in the past.

VCoug wrote:

WOODMANnYk wrote:Whats up folks.. All I know is I cannot remember the last time the knicks cap situation look healthy and clean 2 yrs in a row.. Wow!!!

Phil and the knicks mgmt utilizing patience and not forcing any decision making in signing multiple mediocre players to longterm contracts..

They are doing something that really will improve the ball club long term.. Hopefully they spend wisely and on areas we need improvements..

The reason our cap situation looks so healthy is because the cap exploded last year and will explode again this year and the year after at least. It has nothing to do with anything our front office has done and it would have been nearly impossible for us to fuck up our cap situation like it has been in the past.

The Knicks would have been about 5 mil below the cap if it was a normal year and the cap went up like it usually does. That is without Williams and Afflalo opting out. The Knicks are definitely managing the cap better and it does have to do with what the front office is doing. In the summer of 14 they were 20+ mil over the cap. Things have changed.

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

WOODMANnYk wrote:Whats up folks.. All I know is I cannot remember the last time the knicks cap situation look healthy and clean 2 yrs in a row.. Wow!!!

Phil and the knicks mgmt utilizing patience and not forcing any decision making in signing multiple mediocre players to longterm contracts..

They are doing something that really will improve the ball club long term.. Hopefully they spend wisely and on areas we need improvements..

The reason our cap situation looks so healthy is because the cap exploded last year and will explode again this year and the year after at least. It has nothing to do with anything our front office has done and it would have been nearly impossible for us to fuck up our cap situation like it has been in the past.

The Knicks would have been about 5 mil below the cap if it was a normal year and the cap went up like it usually does. That is without Williams and Afflalo opting out. The Knicks are definitely managing the cap better and it does have to do with what the front office is doing. In the summer of 14 they were 20+ mil over the cap. Things have changed.

A normal year? So you give Phil credit for not giving out bad contracts but did he even have the opportunity. I mean I guess you can give him credit for not signing AA to a long deal or Williams to a higher salary and a longer deal but I really can't see a front office executive getting credit for signing two players to deals with 2yr/player options. There's no upside to those deals unless you trade them at the deadline because if they play well you either lose them or sign then to a longer deal the next year.

I think VCoug and maybe some others are short to give Phil credit for becoming President when all the big contracts were coming off the books.

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

WOODMANnYk wrote:Whats up folks.. All I know is I cannot remember the last time the knicks cap situation look healthy and clean 2 yrs in a row.. Wow!!!

Phil and the knicks mgmt utilizing patience and not forcing any decision making in signing multiple mediocre players to longterm contracts..

They are doing something that really will improve the ball club long term.. Hopefully they spend wisely and on areas we need improvements..

The reason our cap situation looks so healthy is because the cap exploded last year and will explode again this year and the year after at least. It has nothing to do with anything our front office has done and it would have been nearly impossible for us to fuck up our cap situation like it has been in the past.

The Knicks would have been about 5 mil below the cap if it was a normal year and the cap went up like it usually does. That is without Williams and Afflalo opting out. The Knicks are definitely managing the cap better and it does have to do with what the front office is doing. In the summer of 14 they were 20+ mil over the cap. Things have changed.

Yeah, and in 2015 almost all of our large contracts expired which has nothing to do with Phil. With the cap explosion and Bargnani, Amare, and Tyson expiring the same year the only way we could be in cap hell is if Phil had resigned those guys to huge contracts.