Knicks · NIXLUVA: Just For The Record, The Lakers Were NOT efficient in the last run (2009-2010) (page 1)

Their TS% ranked 16th in the league. That is not good, that is below average. What the heck have you been continuously touting?

Or am I missing something here???

Please explain ... and please tell me that you chose the right stat(s) to look at and report on.

Way to cherry pick one season. Not sure why this needed its own thread! Overall his Lakers teams were highly efficient. It's not about just one season. Besides my points still stand. You can't dismiss the success of Phil's teams and the positive impact of his players having their most efficient seasons when they were playing in the Triangle.

If the Triangle had a negative impact on a team's efficiency then it would not be possible for them to be as efficient as many top teams today.

nixluva wrote:Way to cherry pick one season. Not sure why this needed its own thread! Overall his Lakers teams were highly efficient. It's not about just one season. Besides my points still stand. You can't dismiss the success of Phil's teams and the positive impact of his players having their most efficient seasons when they were playing in the Triangle.

If the Triangle had a negative impact on a team's efficiency then it would not be possible for them to be as efficient as many top teams today.

cherry pick? weak!!!

I picked the last season that the triangle was executed alongside success.

The team won because they played solid defense and killed on the boards.

I would say that the triangle may not have killed their chances to win.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Way to cherry pick one season. Not sure why this needed its own thread! Overall his Lakers teams were highly efficient. It's not about just one season. Besides my points still stand. You can't dismiss the success of Phil's teams and the positive impact of his players having their most efficient seasons when they were playing in the Triangle.

If the Triangle had a negative impact on a team's efficiency then it would not be possible for them to be as efficient as many top teams today.

cherry pick? weak!!!

I picked the last season that the triangle was executed alongside success.

The team won because they played solid defense and killed on the boards.

I would say that the triangle may not have killed their chances to win.

WOW! You are something else. What about the other seasons in that run? You think one season demonstrates some kind of proof of your theory??? It just so happens that you can get that kind of variance from one season to the next with many teams. In the end at their best the Lakers under Phil had some very good offensive teams. They never had the #1 offense but they were very good. There's no reason why you can't win in the NBA running Triangle and a good defense. That's all Phil is trying to do with this Knicks team, but he needs more time to develop and build up the talent on the roster.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Way to cherry pick one season. Not sure why this needed its own thread! Overall his Lakers teams were highly efficient. It's not about just one season. Besides my points still stand. You can't dismiss the success of Phil's teams and the positive impact of his players having their most efficient seasons when they were playing in the Triangle.

If the Triangle had a negative impact on a team's efficiency then it would not be possible for them to be as efficient as many top teams today.

cherry pick? weak!!!

I picked the last season that the triangle was executed alongside success.

The team won because they played solid defense and killed on the boards.

I would say that the triangle may not have killed their chances to win.

WOW! You are something else. What about the other seasons in that run? You think one season demonstrates some kind of proof of your theory??? It just so happens that you can get that kind of variance from one season to the next with many teams. In the end at their best the Lakers under Phil had some very good offensive teams. They never had the #1 offense but they were very good. There's no reason why you can't win in the NBA running Triangle and a good defense. That's all Phil is trying to do with this Knicks team, but he needs more time to develop and build up the talent on the roster.

if he could only be less than average with that team then I am sure that he will be super efficient with the sh1tty knicks squad that he is building.

The triangle is not why they won, they won because they have had GOAT(SSSSSSSS) and a great coach.

The triangle is an old creaky short shorts offense that needs to be canned immediately or Golden Stated.

Guess what?

The last bulls championship, they were 19th in TS%

hmmmmmmmmmm

I can't believe this thread

EnySpree wrote:I can't believe this thread

LOL. Mreinman isn't the only one who does it but I'm not a big fan of threads addressed to one poster.

what is this shit? who the fuck cares whether or not the lakers were efficient in their last run? a pissing contest between rainman and nixluva deserves its own topic? and rainman gets on briggs about starting to many threads...

nyk4ever wrote:what is this shit? who the fuck cares whether or not the lakers were efficient in their last run? a pissing contest between rainman and nixluva deserves its own topic? and rainman gets on briggs about starting to many threads...

The debate about whether the triangle helps create an efficient offense matters. It would have been better to post the #s from all of Phil's years in LA and not to single out Nixluva in the thread title though.

nyk4ever wrote:what is this shit? who the fuck cares whether or not the lakers were efficient in their last run? a pissing contest between rainman and nixluva deserves its own topic? and rainman gets on briggs about starting to many threads...

kid is a clown..and this proves it...again. I will never understand why people here bother.

I like pentagon. It is very efficient.
You have 5 good players and they run around the arena hitting buckets.
This system must be installed!!!

I agree, I shouldn't have called out Nixluva in the thread title (sorry Nix, not cool) ... would be nice to have a thread title modification feature.

mreinman wrote:I agree, I shouldn't have called out Nixluva in the thread title (sorry Nix, not cool) ... would be nice to have a thread title modification feature.

I've done it too. You gotta own it when you do.

Still the reason for it is lame man. You set the forum back 15 years lol

Oh my goodness.....who cares.

newyorker4ever wrote:Oh my goodness.....who cares.

exactly

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I can't believe this thread

LOL. Mreinman isn't the only one who does it but I'm not a big fan of threads addressed to one poster.

well I am a fan so nana nana poo poo

arkrud wrote:I like pentagon. It is very efficient.
You have 5 good players and they run around the arena hitting buckets.
This system must be installed!!!

I hope you're getting an interview for the Knicks job, arkud.

I personally don't care if the Knicks run the Triangle, Princeton or MDA's style of offense. I like quality systems of offense that can help a team win games. As I've ALWAYS said TALENT is the most important thing for a team to win. After that you can address the coaching and style of Offense and Defense.

The reason I defend the Triangle is because I see that teams can be efficient using it. It's not THE most efficient offense but it's perfect for playoff Ball where you face top defense that will take away simple PnR n Space and won't let you just get out and run. Playoff ball tends to be half court, intense ball. So if you run Triangle you don't have to change anything since you already play a slower half court game.

Also you can play with 2 bigs in this style and it minimizes the need for a great PG. it's more important to have dynamic Combo guards and passing forwards and Center.

Phil knows this system best and so when he's building it makes it easier for him to target certain types of players. The same kind of players that the Spurs go after. Skilled, smart and versatile players. It's not gonna happen overnight so a certain amount of patience is needed.

Lakers were not efficient in 2010?

mreinman greatly believe in advanced stats and his beliefs/perceptions thinks he evaluates talents at a higher level
we have went back and forth a couple times, for instance LMA with his talent/FG %/ stats/contract in this league
you did not believe he was worthy of a max contract and while i thought he was worthy of a MAX contract, you and ur belief in advanced stats did not
I said he was closer to a 50 % FG with the skills to be initiate the Triangle
While you believed it was closer to a 40% player and would be vastly overpaid

LMA is not a post player like Shaq or even Pau Gasol at his prime (however, he could bring similar results to Pau Gasol's game in terms of "stats and numbers"
His post game uses more of mid range and turn around jump shot, that is pretty unguardable, much very hard to defend because of his length/size
While it isn't exactly as efficient as Jordan's turn around jumper that was UNSTOPPABLE with a high FG %, it is still a go to move that is a good FG % shot that he has mastered

mreinman also used his final season in the play offs as a measure of his talent as they were unable to beat Memphis, however, he leaves out the fact that he was playing with a wrist injury and playing through it

He has the ability to spread the floor, play the PF/C, with a solid mid range game, decent POST game, can score in deep or mid range post, as well as running PnR's
On DEFENSE/REBOUNDing, because of his length/size he would be used as a Center and can be used on both positions in todays small ball game
Because of this Poppavich has the ability to match up with GS and was one of the 9 teams that beat GS this season with their 73-9 record, breaking team Jordan and Phil Jackson's best regular seasons record year

In that game,
It was their DEFENSE that was impressive, defending both Curry/Thompson from the half court line, and forcing them to their help DEFENSE
NOT GIVING THEM ANY wide open shots and not allowing them to catch any sort of rhythm, especially with Curry
It was surely a play off style game (in which the DEFENSE and style of play changes from a regular season game)
Curry and GS in general also played poorly, especially Curry taking poor shots as he was frustrated

They controlled the tempo very well and recognized that Curry/Thompson's range is well beyond the NBA 3point range
It is important to note that Iggy/Festiz Ezili and even Bogut did not play

Though they played 2 more times after this Win, The Spur's were not able to get the #1 seed and throughout the entire year, they had their BEST overall season as all the attention was on GS
After this game, The Spur's and Poppavich did not try to contend with GS to allow Steve Kerr/GS to allow adjustments/execution and try to avoid them to play better if they meet up in the WCF

Not using Tim Duncan, instead using Boris Diaw and LMA at the PF/C
(It is a big reason why I do not believe in Robin Lopez and traditional Centers (except for a few talents) getting major minutes/rotations/ and big contracts
While Robin Lopez's is NOT a horrible contract, it takes up a decent amount of cap space as well, while he is not a TOP TIER defender/shot blocker or DEFENSE and on OFFENSE he is incapable of scoring through the POST efficiently or consistently, and he needs to be able to catch and shoot more (gain confidence his mid range game)

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=40082...

And after this season's LMA with the Spur's, what does his "advanced stats" tell you about LMA?
Numbers never lie, however, stats and numbers can be used to misinterpret things
I believe you did not believe in LMA period and you would try to use numbers to justify your evaluations

Advanced Stats shows trends and like any STATS or numbers, it can be misleading
You believe what you want to believe, therefore you see what you want to see

mreinman,
I am not trying to troll you in anyway
Just trying to prove a point that any numbers/stats and advanced stats can be misleading