I want Randle not Russel. If they don't do that then sell Melo to think about Wade/Bosh and swing for some justice for us fans.
did anyone actually consider that there is a decent chance that this will be the sixers pick?
Knixkik wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:fishmike wrote:that's a great trade. That would be a killer move
Not really
Russell, who I was high on in college, hasn't proven that can be a big time player in the NBA and this years draft class is pretty bad.
I know there aren't a lot of CBB watchers here but who can post a legit top 5 from this years draft class?
We all love the NBA draft but no why do you trade Melo for a pick this year. Other pieces need to be involved....
This year's draft class isn't great. You can land a good player, but probably not a Towns or Porzingis level. Simmons has the upside, but his mental approach is even more questionable than Wiggins was. Ingram is the 2nd best talent and has upside as a really poor man's KD i think. Murray and Hield are both going to be good NBA starting SGs, but probably not stars. Bender, who i don't know much about, is like a poor man's Porzingis i guess. Dunn is the last high level talent, probably will impact the game like Mudiay as a rookie. Huge drop off after that i think.
That's fair, but there is upside there as well. Also you are not factoring in the roster implications. Knick gain Melo's salary in cap space. Doesn't that free up almost $40mm? If you really want to rebuild that's a pretty big jump start.
CrushAlot wrote:Vmart wrote:Melo has the NTC and winning is secondary to being in NY, hey but that's loyalty.
He wouldn't win with the Lakers. He would be on a rebuilding team again.
not they maxed out Durant and Whiteside also. Its the Lakers. Don't be suprised
mreinman wrote:did anyone actually consider that there is a decent chance that this will be the sixers pick?
Lakers pick is Top 3 protected.....I think the odds are about 60% to land in the Top 3 (40% picks 4 & 5). I would do the trade anyway if it included Russel and a Future unprotected First Round pick. Build around KP, Russel, 2016 Sixers Top 3 Pick (or future year 1st rounder), 2017 Knicks First Round Pick). Continue to develop Grant. Bring back Galloway and Thomas as decent back-ups with "work ethic". Target 2016 Free Agents in the mold of Lopez (efficient Glue type guys). Target 2017 FA SF/PF - guy like Hayward or Greek Freak (if available).
foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:did anyone actually consider that there is a decent chance that this will be the sixers pick?
Lakers pick is Top 3 protected.....I think the odds are about 60% to land in the Top 3 (40% picks 4 & 5). I would do the trade anyway if it included Russel and a Future unprotected First Round pick. Build around KP, Russel, 2016 Sixers Top 3 Pick (or future year 1st rounder), 2017 Knicks First Round Pick). Continue to develop Grant. Bring back Galloway and Thomas as decent back-ups with "work ethic". Target 2016 Free Agents in the mold of Lopez (efficient Glue type guys). Target 2017 FA SF/PF - guy like Hayward or Greek Freak (if available).
55% chance but I agree. Of course I make this deal though walton is not stupid though the bussts are.
fishmike wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Vmart wrote:Melo has the NTC and winning is secondary to being in NY, hey but that's loyalty.
He wouldn't win with the Lakers. He would be on a rebuilding team again.
not they maxed out Durant and Whiteside also. Its the Lakers. Don't be suprised
I'm not sure if that's even a .500 team out West. What will they have around them besides a redundant "core"?
NardDogNation wrote:fishmike wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Vmart wrote:Melo has the NTC and winning is secondary to being in NY, hey but that's loyalty.
He wouldn't win with the Lakers. He would be on a rebuilding team again.
not they maxed out Durant and Whiteside also. Its the Lakers. Don't be suprised
I'm not sure if that's even a .500 team out West. What will they have around them besides a redundant "core"?
I don't know but there is not way that's not a .500 team. Melo/Whiteside/KD/Young/Williams is your starting 5, Randle/Nance + parts. Doesn't matter what we think. Its what Melo thinks. Hard to picture something like this happening after all the NYK for life stuff but there is always a spin
fishmike wrote:NardDogNation wrote:fishmike wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Vmart wrote:Melo has the NTC and winning is secondary to being in NY, hey but that's loyalty.
He wouldn't win with the Lakers. He would be on a rebuilding team again.
not they maxed out Durant and Whiteside also. Its the Lakers. Don't be suprised
I'm not sure if that's even a .500 team out West. What will they have around them besides a redundant "core"?
I don't know but there is not way that's not a .500 team. Melo/Whiteside/KD/Young/Williams is your starting 5, Randle/Nance + parts. Doesn't matter what we think. Its what Melo thinks. Hard to picture something like this happening after all the NYK for life stuff but there is always a spin
I still think MIA or LAC are our best bets to move Melo, though the former took a tremendous hit when Chris Bosh started getting blood clots. Time will tell but the best course of action remains a rebuild that jettisons Melo for some combination of quality picks and young players. And if the Lakers are willing to pony up that type of value for Melo (and Melo is dumb enough to accept), I'm all game.
I am holding out hope though that the Clippers are willing to move Blake and the Bulls, Jimmy Butler. That could provide the makings for an awesome 3 way deal, where the Clippers get Melo and Mirotic; the Bulls get Blake and the Knicks get Jimmy Butler. That move would allow us to remain competitive but young enough to build a perennial contender.
I think it would be a good move for us. Obviously it would have to be more than just the draft pick.
mreinman wrote:foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:did anyone actually consider that there is a decent chance that this will be the sixers pick?
Lakers pick is Top 3 protected.....I think the odds are about 60% to land in the Top 3 (40% picks 4 & 5). I would do the trade anyway if it included Russel and a Future unprotected First Round pick. Build around KP, Russel, 2016 Sixers Top 3 Pick (or future year 1st rounder), 2017 Knicks First Round Pick). Continue to develop Grant. Bring back Galloway and Thomas as decent back-ups with "work ethic". Target 2016 Free Agents in the mold of Lopez (efficient Glue type guys). Target 2017 FA SF/PF - guy like Hayward or Greek Freak (if available).
55% chance but I agree. Of course I make this deal though walton is not stupid though the bussts are.
Some Knicks fans tend to have an Anti-Bias towards the trade value of Melo, but from the Lakers point of view this is not a bad deal. The Lakers roster is currently composed of a significant amount of Rookie to 2 year players and a few older mediocre players. Their Draft Pick situation is not that great (#1 Picks owed to Philly & Orlando the next several years), although their Cap Situation is tremendous. If they add another rookie this year and go the young rebuild route it could take 5 years to see how it all pans out and it may be difficult to lure Top FA's during the rebuild process.
Conversely, they can still have a solid core of young players add Melo and still have enough room to add 2 other Top FA Max deals between 2016 & 2017. This could make them a Top Western Team within 2 years.
foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:foosballnick wrote:mreinman wrote:did anyone actually consider that there is a decent chance that this will be the sixers pick?
Lakers pick is Top 3 protected.....I think the odds are about 60% to land in the Top 3 (40% picks 4 & 5). I would do the trade anyway if it included Russel and a Future unprotected First Round pick. Build around KP, Russel, 2016 Sixers Top 3 Pick (or future year 1st rounder), 2017 Knicks First Round Pick). Continue to develop Grant. Bring back Galloway and Thomas as decent back-ups with "work ethic". Target 2016 Free Agents in the mold of Lopez (efficient Glue type guys). Target 2017 FA SF/PF - guy like Hayward or Greek Freak (if available).
55% chance but I agree. Of course I make this deal though walton is not stupid though the bussts are.
Some Knicks fans tend to have an Anti-Bias towards the trade value of Melo, but from the Lakers point of view this is not a bad deal. The Lakers roster is currently composed of a significant amount of Rookie to 2 year players and a few older mediocre players. Their Draft Pick situation is not that great (#1 Picks owed to Philly & Orlando the next several years), although their Cap Situation is tremendous. If they add another rookie this year and go the young rebuild route it could take 5 years to see how it all pans out and it may be difficult to lure Top FA's during the rebuild process.
Conversely, they can still have a solid core of young players add Melo and still have enough room to add 2 other Top FA Max deals between 2016 & 2017. This could make them a Top Western Team within 2 years.
Gonna be hard to see him waiving his NTC to go to a rebuilder unless he can do a super friends type move. He does not really have 2 years to wait.
crzymdups wrote:If Phil really wants Melo to waive his NTC, he'll sign Jeremy Lin and make Rambis the coach. And then the next time they meet just sit there looking at him.
this is hilarious. love the picture and strategy
having said that, i think the writer is overstating Melo's magnetic appeal to other star players. He didn't play nicely alongside some when they were with the Knicks and all his "friends" never considered us seriously and some (Wade) literally laughed at the thought. If I were the Lakers I'd keep the picks and use that as the selling point to attract whatever FAs
Now if this were to happen, I'd be nearly as excited as I'd be about us getting Vogel...
callmened wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The more I look at our situation--that unless we can truly bring in a credible star player--I just dont think we will have nearly enough to imporve to where we d need to be with melo. Trading melo has to an option on the table--no? Ive been saying this a long time--nothing against Melo--but the time fit for him in his career with the position where the Knicks are--I dont think it works out/
I concur. I don't think melo fits the timeline of this team! but he wants to be a knick and stay in nyc
agree with both of these posts -- especially the timeline point. Now if only Melo would realize this ...
Chandler wrote:callmened wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The more I look at our situation--that unless we can truly bring in a credible star player--I just dont think we will have nearly enough to imporve to where we d need to be with melo. Trading melo has to an option on the table--no? Ive been saying this a long time--nothing against Melo--but the time fit for him in his career with the position where the Knicks are--I dont think it works out/
I concur. I don't think melo fits the timeline of this team! but he wants to be a knick and stay in nyc
agree with both of these posts -- especially the timeline point. Now if only Melo would realize this ...
I'd be interested in you guys fleshing out what you see as the timeline.
Are we essentially just talking about KP's rookie contract? Phil's contract?
Are you taking into consideration the near future of our division, conference, and league?
^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.
Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.
doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.
doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
I don't think he is under any pressure from Dolan at all. I don't think he cares what Melo's opinion is and I don't think he makes decisions based on what Melo wants or desires. I don't think he has leaks in his office and I do think that most if not all of the 'rumors' from unnamed sources in the ny tabloids are fiction. I think he blew it with the Fisher hire. I think there was a lot going on that got Fisher fired. I think he is comfortable with Kurt and I think he would love to still coach but can't physically. I think he knows Kurt gives him the best chance to fill his desire to coach if he is kept on. I think if he is struggling to decide on a coach it is because if he goes with someone other than Rambis he looses at least some of his voice as a psuedo coach.
