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mreinman wrote:I don't think he is under any pressure from Dolan at all. I don't think he cares what Melo's opinion is and I don't think he makes decisions based on what Melo wants or desires. I don't think he has leaks in his office and I do think that most if not all of the 'rumors' from unnamed sources in the ny tabloids are fiction. I think he blew it with the Fisher hire. I think there was a lot going on that got Fisher fired. I think he is comfortable with Kurt and I think he would love to still coach but can't physically. I think he knows Kurt gives him the best chance to fill his desire to coach if he is kept on. I think if he is struggling to decide on a coach it is because if he goes with someone other than Rambis he looses at least some of his voice as a psuedo coach.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I don't think he is under any pressure from Dolan at all. I don't think he cares what Melo's opinion is and I don't think he makes decisions based on what Melo wants or desires. I don't think he has leaks in his office and I do think that most if not all of the 'rumors' from unnamed sources in the ny tabloids are fiction. I think he blew it with the Fisher hire. I think there was a lot going on that got Fisher fired. I think he is comfortable with Kurt and I think he would love to still coach but can't physically. I think he knows Kurt gives him the best chance to fill his desire to coach if he is kept on. I think if he is struggling to decide on a coach it is because if he goes with someone other than Rambis he looses at least some of his voice as a psuedo coach.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
not bad ... pretty fare
do you think that there is any issue with him being so heavily reliant on the triangle?
do you think that even if he does not care what melo says or thinks, that mills and dolan may and since melo has an NTC, that is a problem that phil MAY be forced to deal with (at some level)
do you think that there is a chance that we may have gotten phil the president who was as good as phil the player but no way near phil the coach?
mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
Chandler gave a perfectly acceptable answer. It's all opinion. Question was simply what did people see as the timeline that Melo doesn't fit in, since a couple folks seemed to see that.
I was implying by bringing up the division, conference and league that perhaps there are bigger things at play like the success of our competitors, cap changes, etc. Was an honest inquiry. Don't understand your dig... especially since you yourself are comfortable predicting the career goals of people you only fantasize about ;)
mreinman wrote:I am only concerned about your first question because it seems to limit who is considered for a coaching position. If he can find a triangle coach that wins then I have no issues with it though.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I don't think he is under any pressure from Dolan at all. I don't think he cares what Melo's opinion is and I don't think he makes decisions based on what Melo wants or desires. I don't think he has leaks in his office and I do think that most if not all of the 'rumors' from unnamed sources in the ny tabloids are fiction. I think he blew it with the Fisher hire. I think there was a lot going on that got Fisher fired. I think he is comfortable with Kurt and I think he would love to still coach but can't physically. I think he knows Kurt gives him the best chance to fill his desire to coach if he is kept on. I think if he is struggling to decide on a coach it is because if he goes with someone other than Rambis he looses at least some of his voice as a psuedo coach.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
not bad ... pretty fare
do you think that there is any issue with him being so heavily reliant on the triangle?
do you think that even if he does not care what melo says or thinks, that mills and dolan may and since melo has an NTC, that is a problem that phil MAY be forced to deal with (at some level)
do you think that there is a chance that we may have gotten phil the president who was as good as phil the player but no way near phil the coach?
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I don't think he is under any pressure from Dolan at all. I don't think he cares what Melo's opinion is and I don't think he makes decisions based on what Melo wants or desires. I don't think he has leaks in his office and I do think that most if not all of the 'rumors' from unnamed sources in the ny tabloids are fiction. I think he blew it with the Fisher hire. I think there was a lot going on that got Fisher fired. I think he is comfortable with Kurt and I think he would love to still coach but can't physically. I think he knows Kurt gives him the best chance to fill his desire to coach if he is kept on. I think if he is struggling to decide on a coach it is because if he goes with someone other than Rambis he looses at least some of his voice as a psuedo coach.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
Crush this is an awesome assessment! I agree 100% Though I do hope he has a chance to commune with Vogel. Having said that, I'm on board with whatever he decides
Mreinman, the "doc" reference was to DrAphaeus who asked my opinion about timeline.
DrAlphaeus wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
Chandler gave a perfectly acceptable answer. It's all opinion. Question was simply what did people see as the timeline that Melo doesn't fit in, since a couple folks seemed to see that.
I was implying by bringing up the division, conference and league that perhaps there are bigger things at play like the success of our competitors, cap changes, etc. Was an honest inquiry. Don't understand your dig... especially since you yourself are comfortable predicting the career goals of people you only fantasize about ;)
what would be awesome (but unrealistic) is if Phil could do some Jedi mind tricks on Durant, put down his 11 coach rings, two player rings, get the various assistants to do the same...
Then you have Durant nestled in age-wise between Melo, and KP. A nice pipeline of talent. One can only dream...
Chandler wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I don't think he is under any pressure from Dolan at all. I don't think he cares what Melo's opinion is and I don't think he makes decisions based on what Melo wants or desires. I don't think he has leaks in his office and I do think that most if not all of the 'rumors' from unnamed sources in the ny tabloids are fiction. I think he blew it with the Fisher hire. I think there was a lot going on that got Fisher fired. I think he is comfortable with Kurt and I think he would love to still coach but can't physically. I think he knows Kurt gives him the best chance to fill his desire to coach if he is kept on. I think if he is struggling to decide on a coach it is because if he goes with someone other than Rambis he looses at least some of his voice as a psuedo coach.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
Crush this is an awesome assessment! I agree 100% Though I do hope he has a chance to commune with Vogel. Having said that, I'm on board with whatever he decides
Mreinman, the "doc" reference was to DrAphaeus who asked my opinion about timeline.
Good point. Also, if Rambis is indeed a good friend, and is ready to hire him... when it comes to your HC as a President you also have to be ready to fire them if needed. Maybe he is also soul searching about that. I'm sure he doesn't want to put Rambis in a position where he is forever tainted from being an HC again because he put his trust in Phil and it didn't work out for whatever reason.
I love the nickname Doc btw, it was my grandfather's.
Chandler wrote:Thanks.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I don't think he is under any pressure from Dolan at all. I don't think he cares what Melo's opinion is and I don't think he makes decisions based on what Melo wants or desires. I don't think he has leaks in his office and I do think that most if not all of the 'rumors' from unnamed sources in the ny tabloids are fiction. I think he blew it with the Fisher hire. I think there was a lot going on that got Fisher fired. I think he is comfortable with Kurt and I think he would love to still coach but can't physically. I think he knows Kurt gives him the best chance to fill his desire to coach if he is kept on. I think if he is struggling to decide on a coach it is because if he goes with someone other than Rambis he looses at least some of his voice as a psuedo coach.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
Crush this is an awesome assessment! I agree 100% Though I do hope he has a chance to commune with Vogel. Having said that, I'm on board with whatever he decides
Mreinman, the "doc" reference was to DrAphaeus who asked my opinion about timeline.
DrAlphaeus wrote:Chandler wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I don't think he is under any pressure from Dolan at all. I don't think he cares what Melo's opinion is and I don't think he makes decisions based on what Melo wants or desires. I don't think he has leaks in his office and I do think that most if not all of the 'rumors' from unnamed sources in the ny tabloids are fiction. I think he blew it with the Fisher hire. I think there was a lot going on that got Fisher fired. I think he is comfortable with Kurt and I think he would love to still coach but can't physically. I think he knows Kurt gives him the best chance to fill his desire to coach if he is kept on. I think if he is struggling to decide on a coach it is because if he goes with someone other than Rambis he looses at least some of his voice as a psuedo coach.CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
Crush this is an awesome assessment! I agree 100% Though I do hope he has a chance to commune with Vogel. Having said that, I'm on board with whatever he decides
Mreinman, the "doc" reference was to DrAphaeus who asked my opinion about timeline.
Good point. Also, if Rambis is indeed a good friend, and is ready to hire him... when it comes to your HC as a President you also have to be ready to fire them if needed. Maybe he is also soul searching about that. I'm sure he doesn't want to put Rambis in a position where he is forever tainted from being an HC again because he put his trust in Phil and it didn't work out for whatever reason.
I love the nickname Doc btw, it was my grandfather's.
I do hope he is soul searching. Your point about HC is a good one. Rambis can be a permanent fixture as offensive coach or whatever like Herb Williams was for so long. But put him in HC role and it's a differen can of worms.
I would like to imagine a bunch of the assistancts with the OKC roots end up in DC with Brooks, and that Vogel ends up here with Shaw and Rambis and the other inner-circle guys
But what if this is a repeat of the Bernard King situation, and Melo comes back next season in really awesome shape to become a top scorer in the league again? Ghosts of seasons past and opporunities blown never cease to haunt us.
BRIGGS wrote:The more I look at our situation--that unless we can truly bring in a credible star player--I just dont think we will have nearly enough to imporve to where we d need to be with melo. Trading melo has to an option on the table--no? Ive been saying this a long time--nothing against Melo--but the time fit for him in his career with the position where the Knicks are--I dont think it works out/
Nope had we had our pick this season maybe it works out but without a pick it drives the rebuild another season back. We need to be bad next season. Porzingis needs a backcourt running mate
Chandler wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Chandler wrote:^ KP will continue to peak at the same time Melo's game declines. SO it might be a net wash in the coming years.Now if Melo were 27, it would be a different story. He and KP would continue to grow for several more years in tandem and hopefully as KP was 25-27 there would be another stud behind him
that's how a good team would be run. See Spurs as exhibit A
sht! how do you get this inside future info?
Doc asked what people 'saw' as the timeline. He posted what he sees as the timeline. But you can quote it as insider info. It is at least as credible as some of the stuff you quote.doc?
btw, whats your opinion on phil? straight answer if possible and no rush.
Chandler gave a perfectly acceptable answer. It's all opinion. Question was simply what did people see as the timeline that Melo doesn't fit in, since a couple folks seemed to see that.
I was implying by bringing up the division, conference and league that perhaps there are bigger things at play like the success of our competitors, cap changes, etc. Was an honest inquiry. Don't understand your dig... especially since you yourself are comfortable predicting the career goals of people you only fantasize about ;)
what would be awesome (but unrealistic) is if Phil could do some Jedi mind tricks on Durant, put down his 11 coach rings, two player rings, get the various assistants to do the same...
Then you have Durant nestled in age-wise between Melo, and KP. A nice pipeline of talent. One can only dream...
...to be followed the next year by Westbrook. Dreaming about such things beats the he'll out of trying to bloodfart out scenarios where melo actually has a Maybe Trade Clause...