Knicks · Vujacic Status Will Tell Us What's Really What . . . (page 1)

Maybe Jackson and Hornacek really do have some master plan
for continuing the Triangle and merely integrating a fast-break
front end into it.

That's fine with me in principle: say, 80% of points from the
Triangle and 20% from the fast break (last year was about 9%).

But that would mean that the multi-year development of the
Triangle needs to continue.

If the Knicks re-sign Vujacic . . . it'll be a clear indicator that that's
what the plan is.

If they let Vujacic go . . . then you can forget about the Triangle
in New York.

excellent point. im not even sure dude belongs in the NBA anymore. his only purpose was to facilitate the triangle

My take is that JH is going to phase out the Triangle in terms of deeper aspects of the rules that require a lot of thinking. I think he wants the team to be quicker in all aspects. So a modified version of the Triangle spacing without the hesitation caused by the specific rules.

Sasha wasn't held back by the thinking about what to do since he knew it back and forth. So he played much faster than our other guards. IMO JH wants that but will achieve it not so much by drilling the specifics of the Pure Triangle but rather relieving the guards from having to think too much. JH will likely give them very simple instructions on pushing the ball and attacking the D, so they can play faster and more confidently. JH has spoken about making the game easier for his players and being able to explain what to do in a way they can understand.

So IMO if they don't bring Sasha back I don't view it as a problem. I like what JH is looking to do. He wants to maximize the talents of the players on this team and and get them to play unselfish ball, which is no different than the goals of the Triangle. That's what Phil has brought him here to do. Achieve the goals of the Triangle but in a way these players can grasp.

nixluva wrote:Sasha wasn't held back by the thinking about what to do since he
knew it back and forth. So he played much faster than our other guards.

You know . . . this is really sad to me that you've adopted the
attitude that the Triangle is too complicated for the poor, imbecilic
Knicks players to ever learn properly.

That they can never be as good as Sasha Vujacic, for heaven's
sake (!)

But even if that were true in basketball terms . . . it's even
sadder that the players will now miss the opportunity that the
Triangle offers them to be better human beings.

If this is what the Hornacek hiring is really all about . . . then
Jackson is simply betraying everything that he had come to stand
for.

If Cleamons and Vujacic are not re-signed . . . then that looks
to me like what's happening.

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sasha wasn't held back by the thinking about what to do since he
knew it back and forth. So he played much faster than our other guards.

You know . . . this is really sad to me that you've adopted the
attitude that the Triangle is too complicated for the poor, imbecilic
Knicks players to ever learn properly.

That they can never be as good as Sasha Vujacic, for heaven's
sake (!)

But even if that were true in basketball terms . . . it's even
sadder that the players will now miss the opportunity that the
Triangle offers them to be better human beings.

If this is what the Hornacek hiring is really all about . . . then
Jackson is simply betraying everything that he had come to stand
for.

If Cleamons and Vujacic are not re-signed . . . then that looks
to me like what's happening.

if Cleamons is resigned it certainly will look like Phil is picking Jeff's staff.
Sasha was also a mentor to KP and certainly was a part of what the team was doing off the court together ( I.e. FIFA tournament). I think Sasha is back. Maybe another vet that got the triangle and was good for the locker room is gone like Lou. Also, it was brought up a lot the
At Sasha got the offense better than his teammates. Routine, practice, muscle memory etc. had to give him an advantage over his peers. Playing the way he was used to had to be an advantage over guys playing a system that was new to them. I don't think coming to that conclusion is a stretch.

Sasha had some good moments, and his shot seemed to get better as the year went on, although I have no stats for this.

I don't think he'll cost much if he comes back as an end of the bench player, and some of the things he does within the construct of the Triangle offense go well in any offense, especially his movement without the ball.

To be honest, if his shooting was more consistent, I could see him playing in the GS offense.

I'm thinking that if he wants to come back, he will be on the team unless we pick up better players in the off season, and I don't think Sasha being on the team will make or break the Knicks this upcoming season.

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:Sasha wasn't held back by the thinking about what to do since he
knew it back and forth. So he played much faster than our other guards.

You know . . . this is really sad to me that you've adopted the
attitude that the Triangle is too complicated for the poor, imbecilic
Knicks players to ever learn properly.

That they can never be as good as Sasha Vujacic, for heaven's
sake (!)

But even if that were true in basketball terms . . . it's even
sadder that the players will now miss the opportunity that the
Triangle offers them to be better human beings.

If this is what the Hornacek hiring is really all about . . . then
Jackson is simply betraying everything that he had come to stand
for.

If Cleamons and Vujacic are not re-signed . . . then that looks
to me like what's happening.

I think you may be taking this a bit too hard. The GOAL is to win. The pace of the game is faster in every way. Phil is simply adapting to the circumstances. You don't need ALL of the pure Triangle 100% of the time in order to get the benefits of it. There are other team oriented offensive schemes that JH can use to help the players succeed and over time add in deeper Triangle concepts if he wants.

Once again, the goal is to win. Phil isn't betraying anything. He's not dealing with a loaded Vet team that has high BBIQ and Skills, making it easier to absorb the Triangle and execute on a high level. This is a younger and less talented team with a lower collective BBIQ. It's not a crime to make some concessions.

Sasha has a good relationship with KP and was a good mentor for him, makes sense to keep him.

All you guys want to talk about is drama....

If Sasha is resigned it will be for chemistry purposes. Dude is a good leader and he brings it even though he wasn't able to gig his jumps hot regularly. We need to resign guys to keep some continuity. Sasha is a minimum salary, 12th man, injury reserve guy. So if there is room after we make upgrades I'd love to have him back.