Knicks · OT: Melo Steps Forward (page 23)
I say that to say this, most of these posts are distracting from the main point at hand that needs to be addressed.... "Black lives matter simply refers to the notion that there's a specific vulnerability for blacks that need to be addressed” Barak Obama. When someone says black lives matter, it doesn't mean that white lives do not matter. It doesn't mean that blue lives do not matter...Black people are asking for fair treatment with police and in the justice system. That's the issue that needs to be addressed....
BRIGGS wrote:Uptown wrote:So basically, this has turned into a your race is worse than mine pissing contest?! Briggs, what is the point of your posts?The point of my posts is to speak freely on why its probable that police may have a stricter eye towards African Americans than other races. If we dont speak freely and honestly than change never happens. I only wrote on this thread because happened to watch a young African American girl say that white people were causing modern day lynching. I take serious offense to that and that prompted me to post here. Its incredulous that white people--even by these two cop killers--that white people are causing modern day violence against African Americans--its blasphemy and just incredibly wrong. There is some serious hatred embedded there---seems similar to the same embedded hate of Radical Islam.
Thats like saying BRIGGS 70% of your race was wiped out in World war 2--why dont you hold modern day Germans accountable? Because its insane and wrong--it happened a long time ago and I wasnt even born. I saw tattoos on my grandpas arm from being in a concentration camp--if he didnt get away--Im not even here. So for this kid raping and blaming it on 400 years of slavery--its just out of this world --crazy wrong.
Can you step into the shoes of a black man who just so happens to "Fit the Description" and see why they may have a stricter eye towards the police?
holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:Or you could be David Cone and be accused of rape and sexual misconduct by multiple women and never be charged and settle out of court...Privilege...I dont see Bill Cosby in jail? I think that if you turn a blind eye at 3.7X more likely or make excuse about it--that you should just turn a blind eye at everything. Its common sense man
Just look at what that kid from Vanderbilt said to that young woman---this is for 400 years of slavery bitch and then pissed on her face. Just think about that for a few moments. This is a guy who had PRIVILEGE to get to go to college for FREEHe deservingly got 15 years in jail for his actions...Brook Turner got 6 months, how do you explain that other than privilege???
holfresh its appalling to everyone that kid got 6 months. But that doesnt affect 3.7X more times likely to commit violent crime. You know you have to look at root cause--cause and effect.
BRIGGS wrote:misterearl wrote:Why not list the statistics for white on white crime briggs?Its roughly 3.7 times more likely that an African American will commit rape than a white American. Like I said--you can look to the facts of crime in the US to get an understanding on why police might be more jumpy with AA(although this is not a proven fact) It seems like rape is a black privilege
The vast majority of rapes and sexual assaults are done by someone known to the survivor (in the case of children, usually a family member or a friend of the family), so I find your stat to be bullshit (I work supporting survivors)
BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:Or you could be David Cone and be accused of rape and sexual misconduct by multiple women and never be charged and settle out of court...Privilege...I dont see Bill Cosby in jail? I think that if you turn a blind eye at 3.7X more likely or make excuse about it--that you should just turn a blind eye at everything. Its common sense man
Just look at what that kid from Vanderbilt said to that young woman---this is for 400 years of slavery bitch and then pissed on her face. Just think about that for a few moments. This is a guy who had PRIVILEGE to get to go to college for FREEHe deservingly got 15 years in jail for his actions...Brook Turner got 6 months, how do you explain that other than privilege???
holfresh its appalling to everyone that kid got 6 months. But that doesnt affect 3.7X more times likely to commit violent crime. You know you have to look at root cause--cause and effect.
briggs - Care to describe the root causes of these crimes?
One more thing, "3.7 times more likely" to commit violent crime is pure propaganda.
Uptown wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Uptown wrote:So basically, this has turned into a your race is worse than mine pissing contest?! Briggs, what is the point of your posts?The point of my posts is to speak freely on why its probable that police may have a stricter eye towards African Americans than other races. If we dont speak freely and honestly than change never happens. I only wrote on this thread because happened to watch a young African American girl say that white people were causing modern day lynching. I take serious offense to that and that prompted me to post here. Its incredulous that white people--even by these two cop killers--that white people are causing modern day violence against African Americans--its blasphemy and just incredibly wrong. There is some serious hatred embedded there---seems similar to the same embedded hate of Radical Islam.
Thats like saying BRIGGS 70% of your race was wiped out in World war 2--why dont you hold modern day Germans accountable? Because its insane and wrong--it happened a long time ago and I wasnt even born. I saw tattoos on my grandpas arm from being in a concentration camp--if he didnt get away--Im not even here. So for this kid raping and blaming it on 400 years of slavery--its just out of this world --crazy wrong.
Can you step into the shoes of a black man who just so happens to "Fit the Description" and see why they may have a stricter eye towards the police?
Uptown--what does it mean to step in the shoes of a black man? So being black gives you the right of rape? So why arent cops circling out Asians? Because African American men are causing violent crime at a disproportional rate. NOTHING else matters and everything else is excuse. Why is there a hood anyway? Is it designated for Black Americans to live there? The hood is an excuse.
BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:Or you could be David Cone and be accused of rape and sexual misconduct by multiple women and never be charged and settle out of court...Privilege...I dont see Bill Cosby in jail? I think that if you turn a blind eye at 3.7X more likely or make excuse about it--that you should just turn a blind eye at everything. Its common sense man
Just look at what that kid from Vanderbilt said to that young woman---this is for 400 years of slavery bitch and then pissed on her face. Just think about that for a few moments. This is a guy who had PRIVILEGE to get to go to college for FREEHe deservingly got 15 years in jail for his actions...Brook Turner got 6 months, how do you explain that other than privilege???
holfresh its appalling to everyone that kid got 6 months. But that doesnt affect 3.7X more times likely to commit violent crime. You know you have to look at root cause--cause and effect.
You asked what white privilege looked like and you are being shown...And of course 3.7X is appalling, but you don't even think to ask how they got there??...Whats happening or has been happening to cause this group to show these disgusting actions to those rate???..I actually thought this country was ready to begin a dialogue, but ignorance still abound...People are retreating to the predictable corners...It's sad, really sad...
holfresh wrote:Tiger Woods got destroyed in the media after he was caught cheating on his wife..He lost many sponsor as a result of his action...Phil Michelson was busted for insider trading, INSIDER TRADING...No charges filed...He paid a fine equal to his gains, over a million dollars...He didn't lose any sponsors and not even a mention in the media...He didn't miss a beat...Privilege...
...and for the most part, the folks who caused the "Great Recession" have been completely forgotten for what they did, and I expect most of the folks who caused the problem are doing pretty well financially, and even in positions of power.
White collar crime, which I would think is "white" in more ways than the name implies, is under reported, or at least its impact is.
This is also the case with understanding the negative impact many profit based decisions of companies have on the U.S. economy.
misterearl wrote:The Propaganda MachineBRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:Or you could be David Cone and be accused of rape and sexual misconduct by multiple women and never be charged and settle out of court...Privilege...I dont see Bill Cosby in jail? I think that if you turn a blind eye at 3.7X more likely or make excuse about it--that you should just turn a blind eye at everything. Its common sense man
Just look at what that kid from Vanderbilt said to that young woman---this is for 400 years of slavery bitch and then pissed on her face. Just think about that for a few moments. This is a guy who had PRIVILEGE to get to go to college for FREEHe deservingly got 15 years in jail for his actions...Brook Turner got 6 months, how do you explain that other than privilege???
holfresh its appalling to everyone that kid got 6 months. But that doesnt affect 3.7X more times likely to commit violent crime. You know you have to look at root cause--cause and effect.
briggs - Care to describe the root causes of these crimes?
One more thing, "3.7 times more likely" to commit violent crime is pure propaganda.
Propaganda about what--thats the truth. Black men committed 3.7 more rapes per white male in the last ten years. Thats the FBI talking not bRIGGS. You dont see anything wrong with black men raping whites 150k X and white men raping black women zero? Is this a privilege?
Uptown wrote:Not sure why some here feel a need to point out all of the ills that minorities who are living in poverty are suffering from. It is understood. I was born and raised in the projects in the Bronx; was an orphan by the age of 13, losing one of parents to drugs. There isn't a statistic or person on this board that can tell me what its like living in projects or living in high crime areas. I'm living and breathing proof. I'm currently a teacher (for 12 yrs) in the inner-city and I'm still there and I deal face to face with what some of you are googling and posting in this thread. I'm in the community everyday. I have a program that I started at my old school called 'boys in action'. I wrote and published a fictional book last year for young adults that deal with problems teens face in the projects. I am definitely doing my part.I say that to say this, most of these posts are distracting from the main point at hand that needs to be addressed.... "Black lives matter simply refers to the notion that there's a specific vulnerability for blacks that need to be addressed” Barak Obama. When someone says black lives matter, it doesn't mean that white lives do not matter. It doesn't mean that blue lives do not matter...Black people are asking for fair treatment with police and in the justice system. That's the issue that needs to be addressed....
Big up yourself Uptown for all you do!
BRIGGS wrote:Uptown wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Uptown wrote:So basically, this has turned into a your race is worse than mine pissing contest?! Briggs, what is the point of your posts?The point of my posts is to speak freely on why its probable that police may have a stricter eye towards African Americans than other races. If we dont speak freely and honestly than change never happens. I only wrote on this thread because happened to watch a young African American girl say that white people were causing modern day lynching. I take serious offense to that and that prompted me to post here. Its incredulous that white people--even by these two cop killers--that white people are causing modern day violence against African Americans--its blasphemy and just incredibly wrong. There is some serious hatred embedded there---seems similar to the same embedded hate of Radical Islam.
Thats like saying BRIGGS 70% of your race was wiped out in World war 2--why dont you hold modern day Germans accountable? Because its insane and wrong--it happened a long time ago and I wasnt even born. I saw tattoos on my grandpas arm from being in a concentration camp--if he didnt get away--Im not even here. So for this kid raping and blaming it on 400 years of slavery--its just out of this world --crazy wrong.
Can you step into the shoes of a black man who just so happens to "Fit the Description" and see why they may have a stricter eye towards the police?
Uptown--what does it mean to step in the shoes of a black man? So being black gives you the right of rape? So why arent cops circling out Asians? Because African American men are causing violent crime at a disproportional rate. NOTHING else matters and everything else is excuse. Why is there a hood anyway? Is it designated for Black Americans to live there? The hood is an excuse.
Re: "Why is there a hood anyway?" — BRIGGS, are you familiar with the practice of redlining in the 20th century?
WaltLongmire wrote:holfresh wrote:Tiger Woods got destroyed in the media after he was caught cheating on his wife..He lost many sponsor as a result of his action...Phil Michelson was busted for insider trading, INSIDER TRADING...No charges filed...He paid a fine equal to his gains, over a million dollars...He didn't lose any sponsors and not even a mention in the media...He didn't miss a beat...Privilege...
...and for the most part, the folks who caused the "Great Recession" have been completely forgotten for what they did, and I expect most of the folks who caused the problem are doing pretty well financially, and even in positions of power.White collar crime, which I would think is "white" in more ways than the name implies, is under reported, or at least its impact is.
This is also the case with understanding the negative impact many profit based decisions of companies have on the U.S. economy.
Absolute scum of the Earth. I worked in that profession and I know first hand that is the dirtiest game in the world. But only a few can play it. Its a dirty crime but that has no racial bias--those guys would fck their own mother over.
Uptown wrote:Not sure why some here feel a need to point out all of the ills that minorities who are living in poverty are suffering from. It is understood. I was born and raised in the projects in the Bronx; was an orphan by the age of 13, losing one of parents to drugs. There isn't a statistic or person on this board that can tell me what its like living in projects or living in high crime areas. I'm living and breathing proof. I'm currently a teacher (for 12 yrs) in the inner-city and I'm still there and I deal face to face with what some of you are googling and posting in this thread. I'm in the community everyday. I have a program that I started at my old school called 'boys in action'. I wrote and published a fictional book last year for young adults that deal with problems teens face in the projects. I am definitely doing my part.I say that to say this, most of these posts are distracting from the main point at hand that needs to be addressed.... "Black lives matter simply refers to the notion that there's a specific vulnerability for blacks that need to be addressed” Barak Obama. When someone says black lives matter, it doesn't mean that white lives do not matter. It doesn't mean that blue lives do not matter...Black people are asking for fair treatment with police and in the justice system. That's the issue that needs to be addressed....
I missed this post...Amen!!!...The underlying issue isn't being addressed..What people don't get is that it's not about the stats. It's about the systemic racism and unfair treatment of the justice system..Inadequate/Under funded public schools the black community...Fix those things and you fix the stats...
DrAlphaeus wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Uptown wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Uptown wrote:So basically, this has turned into a your race is worse than mine pissing contest?! Briggs, what is the point of your posts?The point of my posts is to speak freely on why its probable that police may have a stricter eye towards African Americans than other races. If we dont speak freely and honestly than change never happens. I only wrote on this thread because happened to watch a young African American girl say that white people were causing modern day lynching. I take serious offense to that and that prompted me to post here. Its incredulous that white people--even by these two cop killers--that white people are causing modern day violence against African Americans--its blasphemy and just incredibly wrong. There is some serious hatred embedded there---seems similar to the same embedded hate of Radical Islam.
Thats like saying BRIGGS 70% of your race was wiped out in World war 2--why dont you hold modern day Germans accountable? Because its insane and wrong--it happened a long time ago and I wasnt even born. I saw tattoos on my grandpas arm from being in a concentration camp--if he didnt get away--Im not even here. So for this kid raping and blaming it on 400 years of slavery--its just out of this world --crazy wrong.
Can you step into the shoes of a black man who just so happens to "Fit the Description" and see why they may have a stricter eye towards the police?
Uptown--what does it mean to step in the shoes of a black man? So being black gives you the right of rape? So why arent cops circling out Asians? Because African American men are causing violent crime at a disproportional rate. NOTHING else matters and everything else is excuse. Why is there a hood anyway? Is it designated for Black Americans to live there? The hood is an excuse.
Re: "Why is there a hood anyway?" — BRIGGS, are you familiar with the practice of redlining in the 20th century?
+1
Uptown wrote:Not sure why some here feel a need to point out all of the ills that minorities who are living in poverty are suffering from. It is understood. I was born and raised in the projects in the Bronx; was an orphan by the age of 13, losing one of parents to drugs. There isn't a statistic or person on this board that can tell me what its like living in projects or living in high crime areas. I'm living and breathing proof. I'm currently a teacher (for 12 yrs) in the inner-city and I'm still there and I deal face to face with what some of you are googling and posting in this thread. I'm in the community everyday. I have a program that I started at my old school called 'boys in action'. I wrote and published a fictional book last year for young adults that deal with problems teens face in the projects. I am definitely doing my part.I say that to say this, most of these posts are distracting from the main point at hand that needs to be addressed.... "Black lives matter simply refers to the notion that there's a specific vulnerability for blacks that need to be addressed” Barak Obama. When someone says black lives matter, it doesn't mean that white lives do not matter. It doesn't mean that blue lives do not matter...Black people are asking for fair treatment with police and in the justice system. That's the issue that needs to be addressed....
Much respect to you for overcoming those hurdles. The criminal system should be the focal point but inflammatory talk by some shifted the conversation and others like myself here take exception to the blame whitey for all our problems and sins dialogue. The experiences that I have had is that white people especially the younger generation do care about social injustices and progress on that front has occured despite many travesties. I also believe as many black conservatives and intellectuals that black people as a whole need to exert personal responsibility to themselves and each other and address flaws rather than simply assign blame to others at every turn
meloanyk wrote:Uptown wrote:Not sure why some here feel a need to point out all of the ills that minorities who are living in poverty are suffering from. It is understood. I was born and raised in the projects in the Bronx; was an orphan by the age of 13, losing one of parents to drugs. There isn't a statistic or person on this board that can tell me what its like living in projects or living in high crime areas. I'm living and breathing proof. I'm currently a teacher (for 12 yrs) in the inner-city and I'm still there and I deal face to face with what some of you are googling and posting in this thread. I'm in the community everyday. I have a program that I started at my old school called 'boys in action'. I wrote and published a fictional book last year for young adults that deal with problems teens face in the projects. I am definitely doing my part.I say that to say this, most of these posts are distracting from the main point at hand that needs to be addressed.... "Black lives matter simply refers to the notion that there's a specific vulnerability for blacks that need to be addressed” Barak Obama. When someone says black lives matter, it doesn't mean that white lives do not matter. It doesn't mean that blue lives do not matter...Black people are asking for fair treatment with police and in the justice system. That's the issue that needs to be addressed....
Much respect to you for overcoming those hurdles. The criminal system should be the focal point but inflammatory talk by some shifted the conversation and others like myself here take exception to the blame whitey for all our problems and sins dialogue. The experiences that I have had is that white people especially the younger generation do care about social injustices and progress on that front has occured despite many travesties. I also believe as many black conservatives and intellectuals that black people as a whole need to exert personal responsibility to themselves and each other and address flaws rather than simply assign blame to others at every turn
Its very true about the younger generation.....I'm more interested in finding solutions at this point rather than ranking on each others race.
holfresh wrote:Uptown wrote:Not sure why some here feel a need to point out all of the ills that minorities who are living in poverty are suffering from. It is understood. I was born and raised in the projects in the Bronx; was an orphan by the age of 13, losing one of parents to drugs. There isn't a statistic or person on this board that can tell me what its like living in projects or living in high crime areas. I'm living and breathing proof. I'm currently a teacher (for 12 yrs) in the inner-city and I'm still there and I deal face to face with what some of you are googling and posting in this thread. I'm in the community everyday. I have a program that I started at my old school called 'boys in action'. I wrote and published a fictional book last year for young adults that deal with problems teens face in the projects. I am definitely doing my part.I say that to say this, most of these posts are distracting from the main point at hand that needs to be addressed.... "Black lives matter simply refers to the notion that there's a specific vulnerability for blacks that need to be addressed” Barak Obama. When someone says black lives matter, it doesn't mean that white lives do not matter. It doesn't mean that blue lives do not matter...Black people are asking for fair treatment with police and in the justice system. That's the issue that needs to be addressed....
I missed this post...Amen!!!...The underlying issue isn't being addressed..What people don't get is that it's not about the stats. It's about the systemic racism and unfair treatment of the justice system..Inadequate/Under funded public schools the black community...Fix those things and you fix the stats...
So true....And thats where the dialogue and actions needs to be...How do we fix these issues....
BRIGGS wrote:Uptown wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Uptown wrote:So basically, this has turned into a your race is worse than mine pissing contest?! Briggs, what is the point of your posts?The point of my posts is to speak freely on why its probable that police may have a stricter eye towards African Americans than other races. If we dont speak freely and honestly than change never happens. I only wrote on this thread because happened to watch a young African American girl say that white people were causing modern day lynching. I take serious offense to that and that prompted me to post here. Its incredulous that white people--even by these two cop killers--that white people are causing modern day violence against African Americans--its blasphemy and just incredibly wrong. There is some serious hatred embedded there---seems similar to the same embedded hate of Radical Islam.
Thats like saying BRIGGS 70% of your race was wiped out in World war 2--why dont you hold modern day Germans accountable? Because its insane and wrong--it happened a long time ago and I wasnt even born. I saw tattoos on my grandpas arm from being in a concentration camp--if he didnt get away--Im not even here. So for this kid raping and blaming it on 400 years of slavery--its just out of this world --crazy wrong.
Can you step into the shoes of a black man who just so happens to "Fit the Description" and see why they may have a stricter eye towards the police?
Uptown--what does it mean to step in the shoes of a black man? So being black gives you the right of rape? So why arent cops circling out Asians? Because African American men are causing violent crime at a disproportional rate. NOTHING else matters and everything else is excuse. Why is there a hood anyway? Is it designated for Black Americans to live there? The hood is an excuse.
Wow! This post is very ignorant and a bit insulting. I had a large group discussion about these very topics with my 8th graders and I assure you, the conversation and responses were far more intelligent and coherent than your above post.. Did you really say being black gives me the right to rape? Wow! SMH...
My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.