http://thewhitebronco.com/derrick-rose-l...
He said...she said, I suppose, but it could be a big problem.
Knicks knew what might happen, that said, the timing for the trial is not good, and it would seem that there is uncertainty.
Troubling, IMO.
WaltLongmire wrote:http://thewhitebronco.com/derrick-rose-l...
He said...she said, I suppose, but it could be a big problem.
Knicks knew what might happen, that said, the timing for the trial is not good, and it would seem that there is uncertainty.
Troubling, IMO.
you are one of those who tout character = destiny. case in point. there's a reasonable chance this will be a distraction and affect rose's performance.
It might be a distraction but it is a civil suit for monetary damages.
CrushAlot wrote:It might be a distraction but it is a civil suit for monetary damages.
What happened with the criminal case against him again? Was it thrown out?
Finestrg wrote:CrushAlot wrote:It might be a distraction but it is a civil suit for monetary damages.
What happened with the criminal case against him again? Was it thrown out?
I don't think there ever was one but I might be wrong.
Certainly a major and unfortunate distraction. Kobe's rape trials likely played an important role in why that original Lakers superteam did not win a chip in 2004.
I question the management"s decision to trade for a player with both injury risk and legal clouds hanging over him.
At least we have a starting caliber PG in Jennings to mitigate.
ESOMKnicks wrote:Certainly a major and unfortunate distraction. Kobe's rape trials likely played an important role in why that original Lakers superteam did not win a chip in 2004.I question the management"s decision to trade for a player with both injury risk and legal clouds hanging over him.
At least we have a starting caliber PG in Jennings to mitigate.
no problem trading for him, but certainly seemed like we overpaid for a player with so many question marks.
franco12 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Certainly a major and unfortunate distraction. Kobe's rape trials likely played an important role in why that original Lakers superteam did not win a chip in 2004.I question the management"s decision to trade for a player with both injury risk and legal clouds hanging over him.
At least we have a starting caliber PG in Jennings to mitigate.
no problem trading for him, but certainly seemed like we overpaid for a player with so many question marks.
Its either like you said, or it could also be that we got a steal. Only time will tell, at this point its all speculation
Civil cases come after criminal charges. There was not enough to prosecute a case, but enough for a civil suit. I have not read up on this case since it broke but they were engaged and lived together so there might be implied financial promises that she lived up to, but he did not.
Its not a pretty case. Children wearing Rose jersey's given by their parents won't understand this. BTW, Rose is not a good guy. In my book he has to win us over by his behavior and on court performance.
Even if he walks away from this case with all his money there was a relationship gone wrong and again, only from what I read this guy kind of messed her up. From a fans perspective, he should settle, have a great year and earn it back many times over. But thats judicial and he is obviously compelled to defend himself.
ESOMKnicks wrote:Certainly a major and unfortunate distraction. Kobe's rape trials likely played an important role in why that original Lakers superteam did not win a chip in 2004.I question the management"s decision to trade for a player with both injury risk and legal clouds hanging over him.
At least we have a starting caliber PG in Jennings to mitigate.
For a team like ours which is in many ways a "win soon" team, any kind of issues which affect his play are bad, of course.
On a fan level, though...I like to like my players. Took me some time to come around on Melo, but he's stepped it up in so many ways, and I feel good about how he's carried himself.
Once the season evolves, and assuming Rose plays well, I guess the trial will be forgotten, but it still makes it tougher for fans, and as someone said, the kids as fans issue can be a serious one.
WaltLongmire wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Certainly a major and unfortunate distraction. Kobe's rape trials likely played an important role in why that original Lakers superteam did not win a chip in 2004.I question the management"s decision to trade for a player with both injury risk and legal clouds hanging over him.
At least we have a starting caliber PG in Jennings to mitigate.
For a team like ours which is in many ways a "win soon" team, any kind of issues which affect his play are bad, of course.
On a fan level, though...I like to like my players. Took me some time to come around on Melo, but he's stepped it up in so many ways, and I feel good about how he's carried himself.
Once the season evolves, and assuming Rose plays well, I guess the trial will be forgotten, but it still makes it tougher for fans, and as someone said, the kids as fans issue can be a serious one.
if he plays well, fans won't care too much. If he does not, oy vey ... see D Fisher.
Details from this trail could get ugly. Knicks are also family entertainment and somehow having your girl gang raped by your friends against her will is not exactly "Know a Knick" kind of stuff.
I hope this guy is fighting it because he is innocent, not because his lawyers are billing him to fight it out and preserve an ego.
This is not pretty stuff.
I agree about melo, he was billed as young brash ego centric player, and he still might be, but as a person his public persona has matured and have grown to accept him. He has grown up some and we have to accept guys can change.
As for Rose, he comes in with some similar cred but this business with his girl is much different that anything Melo came to town with.
Im not saying he is guilty cuz there is not criminal proceedings, but one don't go to a civil trail for money if completely innocent either.
Nalod wrote:Details from this trail could get ugly. Knicks are also family entertainment and somehow having your girl gang raped by your friends against her will is not exactly "Know a Knick" kind of stuff.
I hope this guy is fighting it because he is innocent, not because his lawyers are billing him to fight it out and preserve an ego.
This is not pretty stuff. I agree about melo, he was billed as young brash ego centric player, and he still might be, but as a person his public persona has matured and have grown to accept him. He has grown up some and we have to accept guys can change.
As for Rose, he comes in with some similar cred but this business with his girl is much different that anything Melo came to town with.
Im not saying he is guilty cuz there is not criminal proceedings, but one don't go to a civil trail for money if completely innocent either.
its so hard to filter through the BS. Rose is worth a fortune, and people will do really really suspect and scummy stuff for money. OR Rose could be a guy who does really suspect and scummy stuff. The only assumption I think that can be made is Rose did something stupid enough to put himself in this position. Again however... its a civil trial, so the worst will be a hit to his wallet
Just settle out of court. Give her some hush money. Isn't this scumbag type of thing so commonplace amongst as#hole athletes already?
ChuckBuck wrote:Just settle out of court. Give her some hush money. Isn't this scumbag type of thing so commonplace amongst as#hole athletes already?
sure it *may* be settled out of court with hush money, but any sort of trial is unwanted attention to the knicks as his employer. moreover, nobody will fail to connect this situation with the utterly shameful and sordid dolan/thomas/marbury troika versus ms. anucha brown sanders.
remember this?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/sports...
if rose and his lawyers are smart he will give this person 5 million to go away *before* the season begins, and show that he is willing to sacrifice and put his employer's and teammates' needs first.
woman is reportedly seeking $21.5 million in damages, while Rose and his camp have vehemently denied the report and called the lawsuit an extortion attempt.
Nearly a year after the lawsuit was filed, the case has not been resolved. According to a new report from the Associated Press, a federal judge has refused to dismiss the suit and it could go to trial in early October.
More from the AP
A federal judge has refused to dismiss a lawsuit alleging New York Knicks player Derrick Rose and two friends drugged and gang-raped a woman.
On Wednesday, federal Judge Michael W. Fitzgerald said a jury must decide whether to believe Rose’s contention that the woman, a former lover, consented to group sex at her home in 2013.
The woman, a former lover, contends that Rose and two friends drugged her drink at his Beverly Hills home in 2013, and that the next morning they went to her apartment and raped her. Rose and the other defendants contend that the woman consented to the sex and even buzzed them into her apartment.
One would think that he is vehemently defending himself is a sign that he is confident of his innocence? Or arrogance?
Nalod wrote:
woman is reportedly seeking $21.5 million in damages, while Rose and his camp have vehemently denied the report and called the lawsuit an extortion attempt.
Nearly a year after the lawsuit was filed, the case has not been resolved. According to a new report from the Associated Press, a federal judge has refused to dismiss the suit and it could go to trial in early October.
More from the AP
A federal judge has refused to dismiss a lawsuit alleging New York Knicks player Derrick Rose and two friends drugged and gang-raped a woman.
On Wednesday, federal Judge Michael W. Fitzgerald said a jury must decide whether to believe Rose’s contention that the woman, a former lover, consented to group sex at her home in 2013.
The woman, a former lover, contends that Rose and two friends drugged her drink at his Beverly Hills home in 2013, and that the next morning they went to her apartment and raped her. Rose and the other defendants contend that the woman consented to the sex and even buzzed them into her apartment.
One would think that he is vehemently defending himself is a sign that he is confident of his innocence? Or arrogance?
This is what Rose said two months ago,
"This is not a rape case," Rose said in the filing Monday. "It's pure and simple extortion by a plaintiff who does not want anyone to be deposed because every lay witness in the case will shred plaintiff's story."
His lawyer said this at that time.
"The texts clearly show plaintiff being adventurous, buying a sex belt to have fun with Mr. Rose," the filing states. "She asked Mr. Rose for reimbursement for her cab fares and the sex toys she purchased, and mentioned only that she had a hangover and had to get to work."
http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/05/10...If you follow this link you can read the text messages that were exchanged between Rose and his accuser.
Lawyers for Rose filed court papers Thursday revealing a string of texts between Rose and his accuser that the defense said shows she had a consensual encounter with Rose and his two friends and the next morning didn’t confront him via text about the alleged rape but instead asked to be reimbursed for her cab fare and a sex toy.
http://bossip.com/1303666/bossip-exclusi...
CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:
woman is reportedly seeking $21.5 million in damages, while Rose and his camp have vehemently denied the report and called the lawsuit an extortion attempt.
Nearly a year after the lawsuit was filed, the case has not been resolved. According to a new report from the Associated Press, a federal judge has refused to dismiss the suit and it could go to trial in early October.
More from the AP
A federal judge has refused to dismiss a lawsuit alleging New York Knicks player Derrick Rose and two friends drugged and gang-raped a woman.
On Wednesday, federal Judge Michael W. Fitzgerald said a jury must decide whether to believe Rose’s contention that the woman, a former lover, consented to group sex at her home in 2013.
The woman, a former lover, contends that Rose and two friends drugged her drink at his Beverly Hills home in 2013, and that the next morning they went to her apartment and raped her. Rose and the other defendants contend that the woman consented to the sex and even buzzed them into her apartment.
One would think that he is vehemently defending himself is a sign that he is confident of his innocence? Or arrogance?
This is what Rose said two months ago,
"This is not a rape case," Rose said in the filing Monday. "It's pure and simple extortion by a plaintiff who does not want anyone to be deposed because every lay witness in the case will shred plaintiff's story."
His lawyer said this at that time. "The texts clearly show plaintiff being adventurous, buying a sex belt to have fun with Mr. Rose," the filing states. "She asked Mr. Rose for reimbursement for her cab fares and the sex toys she purchased, and mentioned only that she had a hangover and had to get to work."
http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/05/10...
If you follow this link you can read the text messages that were exchanged between Rose and his accuser.
Lawyers for Rose filed court papers Thursday revealing a string of texts between Rose and his accuser that the defense said shows she had a consensual encounter with Rose and his two friends and the next morning didn’t confront him via text about the alleged rape but instead asked to be reimbursed for her cab fare and a sex toy.
http://bossip.com/1303666/bossip-exclusi...
And despite all that, the judge filed to continue with the case. She waited two years before finding a lawyer who would take it. On the surface it looks sketchy but there is enough "doubt" to warrant a trail.
That's my only point. Go to trail, nobody wins. Details of his private life will be exposed (insert Draymond joke here).
Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:
woman is reportedly seeking $21.5 million in damages, while Rose and his camp have vehemently denied the report and called the lawsuit an extortion attempt.
Nearly a year after the lawsuit was filed, the case has not been resolved. According to a new report from the Associated Press, a federal judge has refused to dismiss the suit and it could go to trial in early October.
More from the AP
A federal judge has refused to dismiss a lawsuit alleging New York Knicks player Derrick Rose and two friends drugged and gang-raped a woman.
On Wednesday, federal Judge Michael W. Fitzgerald said a jury must decide whether to believe Rose’s contention that the woman, a former lover, consented to group sex at her home in 2013.
The woman, a former lover, contends that Rose and two friends drugged her drink at his Beverly Hills home in 2013, and that the next morning they went to her apartment and raped her. Rose and the other defendants contend that the woman consented to the sex and even buzzed them into her apartment.
One would think that he is vehemently defending himself is a sign that he is confident of his innocence? Or arrogance?
This is what Rose said two months ago,
"This is not a rape case," Rose said in the filing Monday. "It's pure and simple extortion by a plaintiff who does not want anyone to be deposed because every lay witness in the case will shred plaintiff's story."
His lawyer said this at that time. "The texts clearly show plaintiff being adventurous, buying a sex belt to have fun with Mr. Rose," the filing states. "She asked Mr. Rose for reimbursement for her cab fares and the sex toys she purchased, and mentioned only that she had a hangover and had to get to work."
http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/05/10...
If you follow this link you can read the text messages that were exchanged between Rose and his accuser.
Lawyers for Rose filed court papers Thursday revealing a string of texts between Rose and his accuser that the defense said shows she had a consensual encounter with Rose and his two friends and the next morning didn’t confront him via text about the alleged rape but instead asked to be reimbursed for her cab fare and a sex toy.
http://bossip.com/1303666/bossip-exclusi...
And despite all that, the judge filed to continue with the case. She waited two years before finding a lawyer who would take it. On the surface it looks sketchy but there is enough "doubt" to warrant a trail.
That's my only point. Go to trail, nobody wins. Details of his private life will be exposed (insert Draymond joke here).
Its a civil case though... and it doesn't take a ton to get those to trial. I wouldn't be surprised if she wins, but the punitive damages are something like $50k and that doesn't even or barely covers her legal fees.
Whatever the outcome, it's a black eye that Rose doesn't need. It will take a Hurculean performance by him this season to remove the stench and be re-signed next season.
