The Knicks would/should have been an NBA title contender each year yet we havent been close. The Knicks need to watch tape to allow Melo to play like he has been able to play now. Hes loose--he doesnt press and his play flows.
Most of his teammates over that span are either not in the league or are on the cusp of being out of it. Some better talent around him should help as well.
MelOlympic surrounded by all star talent vs. Knicks roster in his tenure against mostly international competition far less than NBA is not a valid comparison.
Im sure they are oblivious to how this all works and lucky to have fans suggest using video to break it down. 
Nalod wrote:MelOlympic surrounded by all star talent vs. Knicks roster in his tenure against mostly international competition far less than NBA is not a valid comparison.Im sure they are oblivious to how this all works and lucky to have fans suggest using video to break it down.
lol for real! Might as well use tape from 2012 too.
BRIGGS wrote:The Knicks would/should have been an NBA title contender each year yet we havent been close. The Knicks need to watch tape to allow Melo to play like he has been able to play now. Hes loose--he doesnt press and his play flows.
We saw this a few years ago with the 54 win team. Before these terrible Knick teams he was in the playoffs his first 10 years in the league. the problem hasn't been Melo. That being said he has been the leader for that team and this is a great exercise for him in that role.
Olympics is Melo's championship. It's very important for him. Let's hope he finds that kind of importance for the regular season and make the playoffs.
when melo plays the stretch 4 hes unstoppable. whether its in the olympics, the 54 win season etc. i wouldve loved to see KP at the 5 and melo at the 4
fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The Knicks would/should have been an NBA title contender each year yet we havent been close. The Knicks need to watch tape to allow Melo to play like he has been able to play now. Hes loose--he doesnt press and his play flows.
We saw this a few years ago with the 54 win team. Before these terrible Knick teams he was in the playoffs his first 10 years in the league. the problem hasn't been Melo. That being said he has been the leader for that team and this is a great exercise for him in that role.
i think melo fits best as the second guy who can provide scoring. I think now that we have KP melo can slide into that secondary role
BRIGGS wrote:The Knicks would/should have been an NBA title contender each year yet we havent been close. The Knicks need to watch tape to allow Melo to play like he has been able to play now. Hes loose--he doesnt press and his play flows.
Yes and maybe the Knicks can sign a roster of all-stars and play completely over-matched teams for 82 games.
This way Melo can pretend to be the greatest player of all-time.
Such a joke all the groveling people are doing over Melo playing against China, Venezuela and Australia plus matching up against complete stiffs while jacking wide-open short international 3 pointers. I'm not sure he has got to the basket more than 2-3 times thus far - shows little to no explosion and is simply catching and shooting.
LivingLegend wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The Knicks would/should have been an NBA title contender each year yet we havent been close. The Knicks need to watch tape to allow Melo to play like he has been able to play now. Hes loose--he doesnt press and his play flows.
Yes and maybe the Knicks can sign a roster of all-stars and play completely over-matched teams for 82 games.
This way Melo can pretend to be the greatest player of all-time.
Such a joke all the groveling people are doing over Melo playing against China, Venezuela and Australia plus matching up against complete stiffs while jacking wide-open short international 3 pointers. I'm not sure he has got to the basket more than 2-3 times thus far - shows little to no explosion and is simply catching and shooting.
Are you talking about players, media or posters at UK?
LivingLegend wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The Knicks would/should have been an NBA title contender each year yet we havent been close. The Knicks need to watch tape to allow Melo to play like he has been able to play now. Hes loose--he doesnt press and his play flows.
Yes and maybe the Knicks can sign a roster of all-stars and play completely over-matched teams for 82 games.
This way Melo can pretend to be the greatest player of all-time.
Such a joke all the groveling people are doing over Melo playing against China, Venezuela and Australia plus matching up against complete stiffs while jacking wide-open short international 3 pointers. I'm not sure he has got to the basket more than 2-3 times thus far - shows little to no explosion and is simply catching and shooting.
You're right about this love fest that is going on here. Weak competition and a team of all stars let's see if Melo can do this in regular season. That's more important than any Olympic game.
Olympic game < regular season game < playoff games
Melo gets paid to play in the NBA.
It's amazing how great teammates change the perception of a player. Paul Pierce is the biggest example. If Melo had KG, Allen, and Rondo in 2008, his career and talent would be viewed differently. It's just amazing to me.
Vmart wrote:LivingLegend wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The Knicks would/should have been an NBA title contender each year yet we havent been close. The Knicks need to watch tape to allow Melo to play like he has been able to play now. Hes loose--he doesnt press and his play flows.
Yes and maybe the Knicks can sign a roster of all-stars and play completely over-matched teams for 82 games.
This way Melo can pretend to be the greatest player of all-time.
Such a joke all the groveling people are doing over Melo playing against China, Venezuela and Australia plus matching up against complete stiffs while jacking wide-open short international 3 pointers. I'm not sure he has got to the basket more than 2-3 times thus far - shows little to no explosion and is simply catching and shooting.
You're right about this love fest that is going on here. Weak competition and a team of all stars let's see if Melo can do this in regular season. That's more important than any Olympic game.
Olympic game < regular season game < playoff games
Melo gets paid to play in the NBA.
If this is a Love Fest going on over here, Love is overrated! It's sure ain't no Summer of '67 here, bro.
I am firmly of two minds:
- I am not impressed by a US team of NBA pros, and don't care that much about it. If the Devil said the Knicks could win a championship only if the US could never win the gold again, I'd ask him whose blood do I sign with,
- that said, ChuckyBooBoo using Olympic spirit PR as reason #4080 on why Melo should be left on the yacht to drift off into the sea, is retarded.
And we all know, if the bargain with the devil was made, Melo would just play for Puerto Rico. 
Knixkik wrote:It's amazing how great teammates change the perception of a player. Paul Pierce is the biggest example. If Melo had KG, Allen, and Rondo in 2008, his career and talent would be viewed differently. It's just amazing to me.
He decided not to join other stars but be all alone star on the knocks
It was his decision and he is dealing with consequences.
callmened wrote:when melo plays the stretch 4 hes unstoppable. whether its in the olympics, the 54 win season etc. i wouldve loved to see KP at the 5 and melo at the 4
That's probably the 4th quarter lineup.....in cruntch time. But they paid Noah to play... .and KP gotta play....
I think with KPs versitality, he becomes that wild card every team needs. Depending on the matchups, he could play multiple positions, There should be some interesting lineups out there. One of my favorite lineups is Jennings and Rose, with Lee, Melo and Noah I meant KP.,..but
Noah instead of KP might be a better defensive lineup!................
blkexec wrote:callmened wrote:when melo plays the stretch 4 hes unstoppable. whether its in the olympics, the 54 win season etc. i wouldve loved to see KP at the 5 and melo at the 4
That's probably the 4th quarter lineup.....in cruntch time. But they paid Noah to play... .and KP gotta play....
I think with KPs versitality, he becomes that wild card every team needs. Depending on the matchups, he could play multiple positions, There should be some interesting lineups out there. Jennings and Rose, with Lee, Melo and Noah I meant KP.,..but that's a tough lineup too and might be better!......1 of my favorite lineups....................
Yea I'm dreaming of weird matchups. Is the idea of KP at 3 and Melo at 4 too weird, Noah at 5? Give room in the paint for the guards to work! I hope Hornacek is as creative as they say, because they could do some really weird matchups for a couple of possessions that just screws up opponents Xs and Os.
As Anthony continues to lead Team USA toward a gold medal, he's getting a taste of something he hasn't had much of in New York. Keep a close eye on how he plays with Irving, especially in halfcourt sets, as it may just provide a snapshot of what it will be like playing with the dynamic Rose.
https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/rose-can-...
...BRIGGS would have had at least 4 threads telling us he would draft him over Lebron and anyone else.
Seriously, this thread is dumber than shinola next to a stop sign in February.
You mean we can't see FIBAMelo in the NBA when he's playing with Ray Felton, Phony Douglas, Landry Fields and Chris Smith? Wassup with that? Surely these people are as good as what Melo's playing with in Rio, right? And so what if long twos are now worth 3 in the Olympics! We should always play Melo at the 4, so we can complain about him breaking down, and play a skinny undermuscled rook phenom at the 5 so he can get hurt earlier, that way we can complain Melo makes nobody better.
jrodmc wrote:...BRIGGS would have had at least 4 threads telling us he would draft him over Lebron and anyone else. Seriously, this thread is dumber than shinola next to a stop sign in February.
You mean we can't see FIBAMelo in the NBA when he's playing with Ray Felton, Phony Douglas, Landry Fields and Chris Smith? Wassup with that? Surely these people are as good as what Melo's playing with in Rio, right? And so what if long twos are now worth 3 in the Olympics! We should always play Melo at the 4, so we can complain about him breaking down, and play a skinny undermuscled rook phenom at the 5 so he can get hurt earlier, that way we can complain Melo makes nobody better.
It doesn't matter what position Melo plays, he will be guarded by the same player every time. Most teams aren't stubborn like us......they usually adapt.....After a few 1st step moves on a big, they usually go small and bring a butler type dude to play the 4. The mis match is going to be the other players around him! What I'm taking from this thread is the similarities between the USA team and Knicks team.....
Rose vs Kyrie is really where it starts. If Rose can break down the defense like Kyrie is doing now, the game will be very easy for Melo. The problem is having Noah on offense allows any big to play zone. If KP was the 5 on offense, their big must guard KP, which allows Melo to have more space and 1 on 1 opportunities, similar to what he's seeing now! The problem I have with this comparison is (not KP's inability to play the 5, which I think he can right now) it's the level of talent in the entire Olympics is on a D-League level or slightly better. Even some of the NBA players playing for their country, wouldn't be starters on an NBA team....and some wouldn't even get playing time. Like Kobe said, USA is too big and too fast! But this gives Melo a change to work on his craft and keep his confidence sharp for next season! As soon as he shows wear and tear in the playoffs, everybody will point back to his extra minutes on the USA team!
This is a good time for KP to learn how to play center.....playing with and against Noah is probably the best thing for KP's career! And he's surrounded by other bigs, so there's no pressure to force him right now......KP has the freedom to just play ball, and not worry about a position. Garnet was also similar in size.....So it's not about being skinny.....it's about using the skills you have to impact the game on both ends. Strength will come with age and experience. But KP has more positives than negatives as a center. And the upside is crazy. You have to guard all 5 positions, just like must championship teams. This is where the triangle helps players like Noah, who's a great passer and decision maker!
The skys the limit and Melo will be the one to launch us! While KP continues to learn! This is OPTIMISTIC SEASON!
arkrud wrote:Knixkik wrote:It's amazing how great teammates change the perception of a player. Paul Pierce is the biggest example. If Melo had KG, Allen, and Rondo in 2008, his career and talent would be viewed differently. It's just amazing to me.
He decided not to join other stars but be all alone star on the knocks
It was his decision and he is dealing with consequences.
We have gone into this many times but Knicks had their opportunities to add talent around him over the years. They had plenty of trade chips after the Melo trade including Fields, who at the time was a starting SG as a rookie and was the best rebounding guard in the league. Also shooting 40% from 3pt and had good defensive potential. Also Lin was discovered after the fact and was proving himself as a starting PG in this league. We let both walk over the summer instead of turning them into value. Our best 2 young players at the time. Poor decision making. Danny Ainge would have done more.
This happened after the last Olympics. Melo came back in seek-and-destroy-mode, Kyrie and Rose have similar games so I think that will help the team get on the same page quickly
