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nyk4ever wrote:gunsnewing wrote:nixluva wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:nixluva wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I am not sure Florida is over yet, there's something going on there. But it shows how much everybody underestimated the blue collar vote switch and overestimated the women vote.I'm down in Georgia and I knew how these rural people think. It's something I've seen them do before.
These people are heavy into the culture wars. They constantly vote against their own best interests. This year is about the angry White vote. Welcome back to 1960 America.I have lived in NC and I know what you are talking about. My question though is how bad is our polling data? The rural votes are carrying the day, the African American vote is lethargic at best, the Latino vote effect was overstated.
These people finally found their champion. They rose up for xenophobia.
lol
reading nixluva's posts on politics and the knicks is like following the pre-election polls. just never right.
Very funny. I'm on the right side of history when it comes to politics. This is not a good thing for this country if Trump wins.
Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:But they did it in 2008 when Obama came out of nowhere.Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:As easy as it is to blame the white hate, I really think it has more to do with how disenfranchised us liberals feel. Most progressives think the centrist democrats have killed the party and the values we stood for. So it's a referendum on the right wing slanted perversion of the Democratic party.I don't know about that. Dems certainly had a viable non-centrist option they could've chosen in Bernie Sanders. Why we didn't go that direction? Your guess is as good as mine.Because the democratic party leadership strongly backed Clinton and the left doesn't have the hardcore extreme vote to turn the tide on their own party, like the Republicans just did.
Obama had a large part of the Democratic voter base locked up. He had the AA vote to separate himself, Bernie had progressives and intellectuals, not the same thing.
meloshouldgo wrote:Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:If she pulls out MI and NH it will be really wild.She's even losing Pennsylvania! Lame!!!!She has always been lame, not sure why this is a surprise.
Putting off watching CNN might help
nixluva wrote:I hear ya. The election validated some of the darkest elements of our society and will empower these forces to help take us back to a period where I had hoped we had evolved from.Welpee wrote:nixluva wrote:The saving grace is this country is strong enough to survive. Look through history and you'll see some truly awful presidents and we somehow made it to where we are today.holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..I was saying that since day one. These people are Fools! They clearly didn't learn from Nader! It's not a joke. If Trump wins this country just repeated the George Bush mistake ONLY WORSE!
Yeah but I really don't want to have to go thru another rough period. This is unreal. Financially things were starting to stabilize. Social progress was being made. It would be a shame to go backwards.
The KKK are out partying right now. This is their guy. They will come out of the shadows now.
gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..I doubt people are smart enough to conjure up such a ridiculous idea. Certainly not the leftist liberal leaning ones
Really??..Go back a couple of pages and see some here said they voted safely for Jill and Garry..
Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:More than Trump?Welpee wrote:GustavBahler wrote:But to do this against their own self interests? Enduring four years of Trump just to rid themselves of Clinton?Welpee wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If Trump wins at least this will put a big dent in the Clinton wing of the Democratic party. Cant think of any family who has moved the party further away from its traditional platform. I hope those who were strong supporters of Hillary understand how tired people are of the Clintons and their triangulation. All it has done is move this country and the democratic party further and further to the right. Hopefully this emboldens the progressive wing of the party.Trust me, I'm tired of the Clintons too. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, didn't vote for her in 2008. I only supported her because of the opponent she ran against and the prospects of what a Trump presidency is going to look like. I would've considered voting for a sane, moderate republican if they offered one.But also understand, there were a lot of unethical forces to contributed to this too. Why people seem to be OK with foreign entities hacking emails to influence the election, the FBI injecting themselves into this election, and efforts to suppress voting is beyond me. The ends do not justify the means.
That wasnt directed at reluctant voters like yourself, more for the enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. It bears repeating that historians have to go back several thousand years to find a more unequal society. The Clintons played a big part in making that happen. Many voters who might have voted for a democrat were willing to do whatever it took to keep the Clintons from doing it again.Clinton is also against their self interest, this is the message people need to hear
That's largely unknown. It's either as much as Trump or more than. If Trump let's republicans wrote up the laws they want and just signs them he will be doing what Clinton (Bill) did. On the other hand if he goes rogue and antI establishment then all bets are off. With Hillary is pretty much option one of the above.
meloshouldgo wrote:The big secret that many don't realize is that Obama DIDN'T have the AA vote lock up in the beginning. I'm black and I know a lot of folks in my community were leery of Obama and didn't take him seriously until Iowa. AA were solidly in Clinton's corner early on. Of course once he picked up momentum AA jumped in head first with support.Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:But they did it in 2008 when Obama came out of nowhere.Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:As easy as it is to blame the white hate, I really think it has more to do with how disenfranchised us liberals feel. Most progressives think the centrist democrats have killed the party and the values we stood for. So it's a referendum on the right wing slanted perversion of the Democratic party.I don't know about that. Dems certainly had a viable non-centrist option they could've chosen in Bernie Sanders. Why we didn't go that direction? Your guess is as good as mine.Because the democratic party leadership strongly backed Clinton and the left doesn't have the hardcore extreme vote to turn the tide on their own party, like the Republicans just did.
Obama had a large part of the Democratic voter base locked up. He had the AA vote to separate himself, Bernie had progressives and intellectuals, not the same thing.
Welpee wrote:nixluva wrote:I hear ya. The election validated some of the darkest elements of our society and will empower these forces to help take us back to a period where I had hoped we had evolved from.Welpee wrote:nixluva wrote:The saving grace is this country is strong enough to survive. Look through history and you'll see some truly awful presidents and we somehow made it to where we are today.holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..I was saying that since day one. These people are Fools! They clearly didn't learn from Nader! It's not a joke. If Trump wins this country just repeated the George Bush mistake ONLY WORSE!
Yeah but I really don't want to have to go thru another rough period. This is unreal. Financially things were starting to stabilize. Social progress was being made. It would be a shame to go backwards.
The KKK are out partying right now. This is their guy. They will come out of the shadows now.
The Angry White masses have risen. There's no other way to view this. All the nasty xenophobic rhetoric from Trump was sweet nectar for these people. It's not a good sign for the progress we were making.
meloshouldgo wrote:I don't think Trump went through all of this to be a figure head. I think he thinks he has more power than a president actually has. I think he's going to try to operate as a dictator.Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:More than Trump?Welpee wrote:GustavBahler wrote:But to do this against their own self interests? Enduring four years of Trump just to rid themselves of Clinton?Welpee wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If Trump wins at least this will put a big dent in the Clinton wing of the Democratic party. Cant think of any family who has moved the party further away from its traditional platform. I hope those who were strong supporters of Hillary understand how tired people are of the Clintons and their triangulation. All it has done is move this country and the democratic party further and further to the right. Hopefully this emboldens the progressive wing of the party.Trust me, I'm tired of the Clintons too. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, didn't vote for her in 2008. I only supported her because of the opponent she ran against and the prospects of what a Trump presidency is going to look like. I would've considered voting for a sane, moderate republican if they offered one.But also understand, there were a lot of unethical forces to contributed to this too. Why people seem to be OK with foreign entities hacking emails to influence the election, the FBI injecting themselves into this election, and efforts to suppress voting is beyond me. The ends do not justify the means.
That wasnt directed at reluctant voters like yourself, more for the enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. It bears repeating that historians have to go back several thousand years to find a more unequal society. The Clintons played a big part in making that happen. Many voters who might have voted for a democrat were willing to do whatever it took to keep the Clintons from doing it again.Clinton is also against their self interest, this is the message people need to hear
That's largely unknown. It's either as much as Trump or more than. If Trump let's republicans wrote up the laws they want and just signs them he will be doing what Clinton (Bill) did. On the other hand if he goes rogue and antI establishment then all bets are off. With Hillary is pretty much option one of the above.
Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:The big secret that many don't realize is that Obama DIDN'T have the AA vote lock up in the beginning. I'm black and I know a lot of folks in my community were leery of Obama and didn't take him seriously until Iowa. AA were solidly in Clinton's corner early on. Of course once he picked up momentum AA jumped in head first with support.Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:But they did it in 2008 when Obama came out of nowhere.Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:As easy as it is to blame the white hate, I really think it has more to do with how disenfranchised us liberals feel. Most progressives think the centrist democrats have killed the party and the values we stood for. So it's a referendum on the right wing slanted perversion of the Democratic party.I don't know about that. Dems certainly had a viable non-centrist option they could've chosen in Bernie Sanders. Why we didn't go that direction? Your guess is as good as mine.Because the democratic party leadership strongly backed Clinton and the left doesn't have the hardcore extreme vote to turn the tide on their own party, like the Republicans just did.
Obama had a large part of the Democratic voter base locked up. He had the AA vote to separate himself, Bernie had progressives and intellectuals, not the same thing.
True, but it was still a lot more than anything Bernie could conjure running against a the default party candidate.
nyk4ever wrote:where's hillary's cheerleader, bonn? bonn, it's ok, you can come out now.
I fell asleep but am up now. Either the election was stolen or the polling was off by 4 or 5 points. It's probably the latter but we'll find out more with time.
Welpee wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Very smart people make bad (and even stupid) decisions. I'm a democrat and feel we made a stupid decision nominating Clinton.Welpee wrote:i understand your opinion of Trump and i probably agree with some of it BUT calling my decision stupid doesnt exactly make me feel to good especially since i dont consider myself a stupid personStarksEwing1 wrote:If you had voted for any other republican candidate and he/she won, I would just tip my hat and say congrats. Trump is a different animal.nyk4ever wrote:yeah i agree with you. He was basically saying im crazy for voting for trump. I admit im not even a trump fan but i feel its the only choiceWelpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Tell me when I told anybody who to vote for. Read versus react emotionally.Welpee wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump. I still see absolutely no redeeming quality to this guy that even remotely hints that he would make even a semi-competent president. I totally get people not liking Clinton. Heck, I don't like her either, but its like saying the Jets suck so I'm voting for the Cleveland Browns.nyk4ever wrote:where's hillary's cheerleader, bonn? bonn, it's ok, you can come out now.everyone has a right to vote for who they want. I voted for trump but i wouldnt criticize anybody voting for hilary. This definetly was unexpected. I knew it was gonna be tight but there have been many twists todayand this is the problem. nobody gives a fuck about what you think. vote for who you want and let others vote for who they want to. who are you? you have no right and i mean NO RIGHT, to tell anyone who and what to vote for. what a joke.
You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump.oh ok, so you didn't TELL anybody who to vote for but you'll play the holier than thou card and just "criticize" them for voting for trump, since there's a huge difference.
So all my life when I voted democrat including foolishly for Obama I was a genius. This year because I switched my allegiance and voted Trump I'm stupid. Got it. Very sound and tolerant reasoning
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I am genuinely shocked, and at this point all I can do is hope President Trump is ineffective at hurting the people he's promised to hurt.
Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I don't think Trump went through all of this to be a figure head. I think he thinks he has more power than a president actually has. I think he's going to try to operate as a dictator.Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:More than Trump?Welpee wrote:GustavBahler wrote:But to do this against their own self interests? Enduring four years of Trump just to rid themselves of Clinton?Welpee wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If Trump wins at least this will put a big dent in the Clinton wing of the Democratic party. Cant think of any family who has moved the party further away from its traditional platform. I hope those who were strong supporters of Hillary understand how tired people are of the Clintons and their triangulation. All it has done is move this country and the democratic party further and further to the right. Hopefully this emboldens the progressive wing of the party.Trust me, I'm tired of the Clintons too. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, didn't vote for her in 2008. I only supported her because of the opponent she ran against and the prospects of what a Trump presidency is going to look like. I would've considered voting for a sane, moderate republican if they offered one.But also understand, there were a lot of unethical forces to contributed to this too. Why people seem to be OK with foreign entities hacking emails to influence the election, the FBI injecting themselves into this election, and efforts to suppress voting is beyond me. The ends do not justify the means.
That wasnt directed at reluctant voters like yourself, more for the enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. It bears repeating that historians have to go back several thousand years to find a more unequal society. The Clintons played a big part in making that happen. Many voters who might have voted for a democrat were willing to do whatever it took to keep the Clintons from doing it again.Clinton is also against their self interest, this is the message people need to hear
That's largely unknown. It's either as much as Trump or more than. If Trump let's republicans wrote up the laws they want and just signs them he will be doing what Clinton (Bill) did. On the other hand if he goes rogue and antI establishment then all bets are off. With Hillary is pretty much option one of the above.
You may be right. I am not happy with the outcome. But as I have explained over and over, I had no intention of putting up with 4 more years of right wing democrats.
gunsnewing wrote:Welpee wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Very smart people make bad (and even stupid) decisions. I'm a democrat and feel we made a stupid decision nominating Clinton.Welpee wrote:i understand your opinion of Trump and i probably agree with some of it BUT calling my decision stupid doesnt exactly make me feel to good especially since i dont consider myself a stupid personStarksEwing1 wrote:If you had voted for any other republican candidate and he/she won, I would just tip my hat and say congrats. Trump is a different animal.nyk4ever wrote:yeah i agree with you. He was basically saying im crazy for voting for trump. I admit im not even a trump fan but i feel its the only choiceWelpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Tell me when I told anybody who to vote for. Read versus react emotionally.Welpee wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump. I still see absolutely no redeeming quality to this guy that even remotely hints that he would make even a semi-competent president. I totally get people not liking Clinton. Heck, I don't like her either, but its like saying the Jets suck so I'm voting for the Cleveland Browns.nyk4ever wrote:where's hillary's cheerleader, bonn? bonn, it's ok, you can come out now.everyone has a right to vote for who they want. I voted for trump but i wouldnt criticize anybody voting for hilary. This definetly was unexpected. I knew it was gonna be tight but there have been many twists todayand this is the problem. nobody gives a fuck about what you think. vote for who you want and let others vote for who they want to. who are you? you have no right and i mean NO RIGHT, to tell anyone who and what to vote for. what a joke.
You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump.oh ok, so you didn't TELL anybody who to vote for but you'll play the holier than thou card and just "criticize" them for voting for trump, since there's a huge difference.
So all my life when I voted democrat including foolishly for Obama I was a genius. This year because I switched my allegiance and voted Trump I'm stupid. Got it. Very sound and tolerant reasoning
and welpee claims he's NOT holier than thou. what a joke.
don't worry, he'll tell you how stupid he thinks you are. just give him the opportunity.
nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Then explain how I'm playing the "holier than thou" card. No, that makes no sense.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Again, you have no clue what you're even typing. "Holier than thou?" You're not making any sense.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Tell me when I told anybody who to vote for. Read versus react emotionally.Welpee wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump. I still see absolutely no redeeming quality to this guy that even remotely hints that he would make even a semi-competent president. I totally get people not liking Clinton. Heck, I don't like her either, but its like saying the Jets suck so I'm voting for the Cleveland Browns.nyk4ever wrote:where's hillary's cheerleader, bonn? bonn, it's ok, you can come out now.everyone has a right to vote for who they want. I voted for trump but i wouldnt criticize anybody voting for hilary. This definetly was unexpected. I knew it was gonna be tight but there have been many twists todayand this is the problem. nobody gives a fuck about what you think. vote for who you want and let others vote for who they want to. who are you? you have no right and i mean NO RIGHT, to tell anyone who and what to vote for. what a joke.
You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump.oh ok, so you didn't TELL anybody who to vote for but you'll play the holier than thou card and just "criticize" them for voting for trump, since there's a huge difference.
But yeah, objectively I can't justify anyone voting for Trump. Sorry. People are certainly free to vote for whoever they want, doesn't mean it was a smart decision. There's a town that voted for a little kid as their mayor. It's their choice, no matter how dumb it is.
that's right. deflect it by telling me "i don't know what i'm talking about." typical. thanks for proving everything that's already been assumed.
it's pretty easy and doesn't really need an explanation, but i'll bite.
You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump.what about your statement shows that you don't think you're morally superior to anyone who voted for trump? instead of just saying, "i don't agree with people's vote of trump," you instead think your opinion has more validity than anyone's who voted for trump, by saying you will criticize the trump supporters for their vote. you think your opinion is superior than that of a trump supporter. aka holier than thou.
He's not the only one. That has been going on for damn near 2yrs here. Can't take them seriously