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Bonn1997 wrote:arkrud wrote:holfresh wrote:jrodmc wrote:arkrud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.
Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.
Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...
+1
I forget, what happened in 1989? All those people tore walls down because they just didn't appreciate the great life they had in the USSR? Or was it all just a right-wing conspiracy? Afghanistan didn't make a difference? Of course not.Of course free healthcare sounds great when being peddled by a miscreant, unqualified POTUS who's never had to worry about healthcare in his life. Did Obama or his family ever have to wait 8 hours to get an MRI in a hospital? Did Mrs. Obama ever sweat over whether the crap they were getting about one of their daughters was coming from some sort of quack doctor? Of course not. No, i'm pretty sure law professors don't worry about the same sheehit us unwashed, uneducated rabble have to deal with.
Unreal. People posting commercials for the good ol' USSR. It's come to this.
So Obamacare will take us to the roots you are trying to escape from in Communist USSR and Socialist South America..WOWI don't think you guys get it..Obamacare is for people without healthcare not the general population..Why do you care what type of service people who don't have healthcare have..Compare it to having nothing..The rest of the population have normal coverage thru their jobs or on their own..Some how you feel that the coverage provided to the 20/30 million who fell through the cracks are going to affect the healthcare of the 300 million other citizen who are covered by normal healthcare..WHY DO REPUBLICANS CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE POOR/UNINSURED GETTING SUBSIDIZED HEALTHCARE????..It just pisses you off to see some one get help???..Thanksgiving turkey giveaways and soup kitchens must be for commies...
There is nothing wrong about universal healthcare.
But implementation of it should not reduce the quality of medical treatments and should not increase the cost of insurance to the extend working people and companies cannot afford it.
Give me some examples when uninsured people were denied emergency room treatment, life saving surgery, life support medication, etc.?
It was hard on emergency room personal and hospitals financially and operationally to treat uninsured and it get better now.
Universal healthcare is inevitable in advanced society. We just need to get it right.
Obamacare is a step in right direction but not the first step but one in a chain of long term trend.
And it needs to be improved and cleaned up.
Was it a step in right direction - absolutely.
was it done right is to be seen.
It's the exact opposite. Universal public health care means employers no longer have to pay for their employees' health care.
We are not going this route with Obamacare.
Plus who will finance the Universal healthcare?
Where government will get the money?
You need to tax somebody.
Taxing the population with Universal healthcare tax is one option. Hard to get people on-board to give up couple of hundred in pay check to feds. May be in targeted fund? So they have to tax corporation and this means more layoffs.
Also if medical industry will get guarantied money how to keep them competitive and maintain high standard of care?
I think hybrid system we have now can be good thing going forward if taken care of and improved.
arkrud wrote:holfresh wrote:jrodmc wrote:arkrud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.
Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.
Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...
+1
I forget, what happened in 1989? All those people tore walls down because they just didn't appreciate the great life they had in the USSR? Or was it all just a right-wing conspiracy? Afghanistan didn't make a difference? Of course not.Of course free healthcare sounds great when being peddled by a miscreant, unqualified POTUS who's never had to worry about healthcare in his life. Did Obama or his family ever have to wait 8 hours to get an MRI in a hospital? Did Mrs. Obama ever sweat over whether the crap they were getting about one of their daughters was coming from some sort of quack doctor? Of course not. No, i'm pretty sure law professors don't worry about the same sheehit us unwashed, uneducated rabble have to deal with.
Unreal. People posting commercials for the good ol' USSR. It's come to this.
So Obamacare will take us to the roots you are trying to escape from in Communist USSR and Socialist South America..WOWI don't think you guys get it..Obamacare is for people without healthcare not the general population..Why do you care what type of service people who don't have healthcare have..Compare it to having nothing..The rest of the population have normal coverage thru their jobs or on their own..Some how you feel that the coverage provided to the 20/30 million who fell through the cracks are going to affect the healthcare of the 300 million other citizen who are covered by normal healthcare..WHY DO REPUBLICANS CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE POOR/UNINSURED GETTING SUBSIDIZED HEALTHCARE????..It just pisses you off to see some one get help???..Thanksgiving turkey giveaways and soup kitchens must be for commies...
There is nothing wrong about universal healthcare.
But implementation of it should not reduce the quality of medical treatments and should not increase the cost of insurance to the extend working people and companies cannot afford it.
Give me some examples when uninsured people were denied emergency room treatment, life saving surgery, life support medication, etc.?
It was hard on emergency room personal and hospitals financially and operationally to treat uninsured and it get better now.
Universal healthcare is inevitable in advanced society. We just need to get it right.
Obamacare is a step in right direction but not the first step but one in a chain of long term trend.
And it needs to be improved and cleaned up.
Was it a step in right direction - absolutely.
was it done right is to be seen.
It's not Universal Healthcare..The majority of the country have private healthcare, 300 million people...Obamacare address the pockets of individuals who don't have healthcare..So these people now can pay emergency rooms unlike before...
It's not healthcare when you want the poor to use the emergency room as their primary care physician..That's nuts..We bear the cost for that don't we???..It's better to preempt that visit..Please stop listening to politicians in your party for answers and read for yourself...
arkrud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:arkrud wrote:holfresh wrote:jrodmc wrote:arkrud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.
Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.
Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...
+1
I forget, what happened in 1989? All those people tore walls down because they just didn't appreciate the great life they had in the USSR? Or was it all just a right-wing conspiracy? Afghanistan didn't make a difference? Of course not.Of course free healthcare sounds great when being peddled by a miscreant, unqualified POTUS who's never had to worry about healthcare in his life. Did Obama or his family ever have to wait 8 hours to get an MRI in a hospital? Did Mrs. Obama ever sweat over whether the crap they were getting about one of their daughters was coming from some sort of quack doctor? Of course not. No, i'm pretty sure law professors don't worry about the same sheehit us unwashed, uneducated rabble have to deal with.
Unreal. People posting commercials for the good ol' USSR. It's come to this.
So Obamacare will take us to the roots you are trying to escape from in Communist USSR and Socialist South America..WOWI don't think you guys get it..Obamacare is for people without healthcare not the general population..Why do you care what type of service people who don't have healthcare have..Compare it to having nothing..The rest of the population have normal coverage thru their jobs or on their own..Some how you feel that the coverage provided to the 20/30 million who fell through the cracks are going to affect the healthcare of the 300 million other citizen who are covered by normal healthcare..WHY DO REPUBLICANS CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE POOR/UNINSURED GETTING SUBSIDIZED HEALTHCARE????..It just pisses you off to see some one get help???..Thanksgiving turkey giveaways and soup kitchens must be for commies...
There is nothing wrong about universal healthcare.
But implementation of it should not reduce the quality of medical treatments and should not increase the cost of insurance to the extend working people and companies cannot afford it.
Give me some examples when uninsured people were denied emergency room treatment, life saving surgery, life support medication, etc.?
It was hard on emergency room personal and hospitals financially and operationally to treat uninsured and it get better now.
Universal healthcare is inevitable in advanced society. We just need to get it right.
Obamacare is a step in right direction but not the first step but one in a chain of long term trend.
And it needs to be improved and cleaned up.
Was it a step in right direction - absolutely.
was it done right is to be seen.
It's the exact opposite. Universal public health care means employers no longer have to pay for their employees' health care.We are not going this route with Obamacare.
Plus who will finance the Universal healthcare?
Where government will get the money?
You need to tax somebody.
Taxing the population with Universal healthcare tax is one option. Hard to get people on-board to give up couple of hundred in pay check to feds. May be in targeted fund? So they have to tax corporation and this means more layoffs.
Also if medical industry will get guarantied money how to keep them competitive and maintain high standard of care?
I think hybrid system we have now can be good thing going forward if taken care of and improved.
It's paid up for the next 10 years..What kills me is that you have no problem allowing your republican congressmen building those obsolete jet fighters (corporate welfare) in their states that cost tax payers 100s of billions of dollars but helping the poor is just a bridge too far...It's communism..
holfresh wrote:arkrud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:arkrud wrote:holfresh wrote:jrodmc wrote:arkrud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.
Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.
Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...
+1
I forget, what happened in 1989? All those people tore walls down because they just didn't appreciate the great life they had in the USSR? Or was it all just a right-wing conspiracy? Afghanistan didn't make a difference? Of course not.Of course free healthcare sounds great when being peddled by a miscreant, unqualified POTUS who's never had to worry about healthcare in his life. Did Obama or his family ever have to wait 8 hours to get an MRI in a hospital? Did Mrs. Obama ever sweat over whether the crap they were getting about one of their daughters was coming from some sort of quack doctor? Of course not. No, i'm pretty sure law professors don't worry about the same sheehit us unwashed, uneducated rabble have to deal with.
Unreal. People posting commercials for the good ol' USSR. It's come to this.
So Obamacare will take us to the roots you are trying to escape from in Communist USSR and Socialist South America..WOWI don't think you guys get it..Obamacare is for people without healthcare not the general population..Why do you care what type of service people who don't have healthcare have..Compare it to having nothing..The rest of the population have normal coverage thru their jobs or on their own..Some how you feel that the coverage provided to the 20/30 million who fell through the cracks are going to affect the healthcare of the 300 million other citizen who are covered by normal healthcare..WHY DO REPUBLICANS CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE POOR/UNINSURED GETTING SUBSIDIZED HEALTHCARE????..It just pisses you off to see some one get help???..Thanksgiving turkey giveaways and soup kitchens must be for commies...
There is nothing wrong about universal healthcare.
But implementation of it should not reduce the quality of medical treatments and should not increase the cost of insurance to the extend working people and companies cannot afford it.
Give me some examples when uninsured people were denied emergency room treatment, life saving surgery, life support medication, etc.?
It was hard on emergency room personal and hospitals financially and operationally to treat uninsured and it get better now.
Universal healthcare is inevitable in advanced society. We just need to get it right.
Obamacare is a step in right direction but not the first step but one in a chain of long term trend.
And it needs to be improved and cleaned up.
Was it a step in right direction - absolutely.
was it done right is to be seen.
It's the exact opposite. Universal public health care means employers no longer have to pay for their employees' health care.We are not going this route with Obamacare.
Plus who will finance the Universal healthcare?
Where government will get the money?
You need to tax somebody.
Taxing the population with Universal healthcare tax is one option. Hard to get people on-board to give up couple of hundred in pay check to feds. May be in targeted fund? So they have to tax corporation and this means more layoffs.
Also if medical industry will get guarantied money how to keep them competitive and maintain high standard of care?
I think hybrid system we have now can be good thing going forward if taken care of and improved.
It's paid up for the next 10 years..What kills me is that you have no problem allowing your republican congressmen building those obsolete jet fighters (corporate welfare) in their states that cost tax payers 100s of billions of dollars but helping the poor is just a bridge too far...It's communism..
Yeah, and with a lot of people, free college or even 2 years at community college is unaffordable and communism. But then free K through 12, well, that's fine to most of them. It's as if there's some kind of cut-off. 13 years of publicly funded education is fine within a capitalist society. But 15 years? That's communism!
gunsnewing wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
YEah sure it is free. Keep thinking that.It's unbelievable! So many experts defending socialism who've never experienced socialism. I've already spoke in great lengths about the horrible effects of socialism and "free" healthcare, housing and food and the corruption behind it in South America. Keeps falling on death ears. oh well
Have you lived in a socialist country Guns? People who defend socialism cannot do so unless they experience it but it's OK for others to tear it down based on right wing propaganda? My what a convenient little double standard we have.
smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
YEah sure it is free. Keep thinking that.It's unbelievable! So many experts defending socialism who've never experienced socialism. I've already spoke in great lengths about the horrible effects of socialism and "free" healthcare, housing and food and the corruption behind it in South America. Keeps falling on death ears. oh well
Thanks for your heroic struggle against universal health care that's free at the point of delivery - many people who develop cancer, heart conditions or have horrific accidents and can't afford treatment are greatful for your struggles. Maybe one day it will be you or someone you care about.
Aside from the fact you seem unable to differentiate between radically different kinds of socialism, Universal health care isn't even socialist - even right wing parties in Europe support it.
Did someone mention something about deaf ears?
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:arkrud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:arkrud wrote:holfresh wrote:jrodmc wrote:arkrud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.
Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.
Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...
+1
I forget, what happened in 1989? All those people tore walls down because they just didn't appreciate the great life they had in the USSR? Or was it all just a right-wing conspiracy? Afghanistan didn't make a difference? Of course not.Of course free healthcare sounds great when being peddled by a miscreant, unqualified POTUS who's never had to worry about healthcare in his life. Did Obama or his family ever have to wait 8 hours to get an MRI in a hospital? Did Mrs. Obama ever sweat over whether the crap they were getting about one of their daughters was coming from some sort of quack doctor? Of course not. No, i'm pretty sure law professors don't worry about the same sheehit us unwashed, uneducated rabble have to deal with.
Unreal. People posting commercials for the good ol' USSR. It's come to this.
So Obamacare will take us to the roots you are trying to escape from in Communist USSR and Socialist South America..WOWI don't think you guys get it..Obamacare is for people without healthcare not the general population..Why do you care what type of service people who don't have healthcare have..Compare it to having nothing..The rest of the population have normal coverage thru their jobs or on their own..Some how you feel that the coverage provided to the 20/30 million who fell through the cracks are going to affect the healthcare of the 300 million other citizen who are covered by normal healthcare..WHY DO REPUBLICANS CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE POOR/UNINSURED GETTING SUBSIDIZED HEALTHCARE????..It just pisses you off to see some one get help???..Thanksgiving turkey giveaways and soup kitchens must be for commies...
There is nothing wrong about universal healthcare.
But implementation of it should not reduce the quality of medical treatments and should not increase the cost of insurance to the extend working people and companies cannot afford it.
Give me some examples when uninsured people were denied emergency room treatment, life saving surgery, life support medication, etc.?
It was hard on emergency room personal and hospitals financially and operationally to treat uninsured and it get better now.
Universal healthcare is inevitable in advanced society. We just need to get it right.
Obamacare is a step in right direction but not the first step but one in a chain of long term trend.
And it needs to be improved and cleaned up.
Was it a step in right direction - absolutely.
was it done right is to be seen.
It's the exact opposite. Universal public health care means employers no longer have to pay for their employees' health care.We are not going this route with Obamacare.
Plus who will finance the Universal healthcare?
Where government will get the money?
You need to tax somebody.
Taxing the population with Universal healthcare tax is one option. Hard to get people on-board to give up couple of hundred in pay check to feds. May be in targeted fund? So they have to tax corporation and this means more layoffs.
Also if medical industry will get guarantied money how to keep them competitive and maintain high standard of care?
I think hybrid system we have now can be good thing going forward if taken care of and improved.
It's paid up for the next 10 years..What kills me is that you have no problem allowing your republican congressmen building those obsolete jet fighters (corporate welfare) in their states that cost tax payers 100s of billions of dollars but helping the poor is just a bridge too far...It's communism..
Yeah, and with a lot of people, free college or even 2 years at community college is unaffordable and communism. But then free K through 12, well, that's fine to most of them. It's as if there's some kind of cut-off. 13 years of publicly funded education is fine within a capitalist society. But 15 years? That's communism!
Community college is free for low income. And any college for that mater.
If family of the student is below Family level contribution requirements the education is free (meaning paid by taxpayers money and I fine with it 100%).
The problem is for those who are form families with OK or good income but parents refuse to give any money to the kids.
In many cases kids cannot get financing also as they have no credit history and their family is in the same boat or refuse to cosign.
Or they get it and then cannot pay back or have to postpone other things in their live.
Another problem is charging same tuition fees for diplomas with great value and junk which cannot even get people employed.
The main issues have nothing to do with socialism versus capitalism but rather dumb versus dumber.
meloshouldgo wrote:gunsnewing wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
YEah sure it is free. Keep thinking that.It's unbelievable! So many experts defending socialism who've never experienced socialism. I've already spoke in great lengths about the horrible effects of socialism and "free" healthcare, housing and food and the corruption behind it in South America. Keeps falling on death ears. oh well
Have you lived in a socialist country Guns? People who defend socialism cannot do so unless they experience it but it's OK for others to tear it down based on right wing propaganda? My what a convenient little double standard we have.
Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. This theory was implemented in practice in many countries with results which are well documented. Looks like the results are not considered so far definitive enough for many people to not keep trying. So God bless the future lab testing rats. I personally have enough.
arkrud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.
Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.
Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...
You realize the UK and many European countries have universal health care don't you? Are they Soviet style countries?! But, yep keep swallowing the line that it's Communism and not basic human decency
jrodmc wrote:arkrud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.
Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.
Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...
+1
I forget, what happened in 1989? All those people tore walls down because they just didn't appreciate the great life they had in the USSR? Or was it all just a right-wing conspiracy? Afghanistan didn't make a difference? Of course not.Of course free healthcare sounds great when being peddled by a miscreant, unqualified POTUS who's never had to worry about healthcare in his life. Did Obama or his family ever have to wait 8 hours to get an MRI in a hospital? Did Mrs. Obama ever sweat over whether the crap they were getting about one of their daughters was coming from some sort of quack doctor? Of course not. No, i'm pretty sure law professors don't worry about the same sheehit us unwashed, uneducated rabble have to deal with.
Unreal. People posting commercials for the good ol' USSR. It's come to this.
I never realized Britain was a communist state!
smackeddog wrote:arkrud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.
Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.
Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...You realize the UK and many European countries have universal health care don't you? Are they Soviet style countries?! But, yep keep swallowing the line that it's Communism and not basic human decency
Very good. We are even better - we are treating uninsured same as insured. No one is denied the basic medical services in US.
It was this way before Obamacare, and is this way after, and will be like this regardless it will be repealed or not.
All this debate is about who is getting taxed to pay not about help or not help.
Ans it is about how to keep quality of services good and prices affordable.
If you know some examples when medical help is denied because someone is uninsured please provide a link.
arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:arkrud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.
Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.
Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...You realize the UK and many European countries have universal health care don't you? Are they Soviet style countries?! But, yep keep swallowing the line that it's Communism and not basic human decency
Very good. We are even better - we are treating uninsured same as insured. No one is denied the basic medical services in US.
It was this way before Obamacare, and is this way after, and will be like this regardless it will be repealed or not.
All this debate is about who is getting taxed to pay not about help or not help.
Ans it is about how to keep quality of services good and prices affordable.
If you know some examples when medical help is denied because someone is uninsured please provide a link.
You are peddling fiction..Obamacare has slowed the rise of healthcare cost, not increase it..Take some time to look it up...Obamacare has not compromised the quality of healthcare as you have suggested..Why would that happen and where has it happened??
Patients won't be denied entrance to an emergency room but people cannot get selective surgery..People has ha to sell their homes to pay for medical procedures in the past before Obamacare..So you are making it sound like all have access to medical care which is a bit misleading..
holfresh wrote:arkrud wrote:smackeddog wrote:arkrud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:arkrud wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?
I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!
Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.
What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!
WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.
Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.
Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...You realize the UK and many European countries have universal health care don't you? Are they Soviet style countries?! But, yep keep swallowing the line that it's Communism and not basic human decency
Very good. We are even better - we are treating uninsured same as insured. No one is denied the basic medical services in US.
It was this way before Obamacare, and is this way after, and will be like this regardless it will be repealed or not.
All this debate is about who is getting taxed to pay not about help or not help.
Ans it is about how to keep quality of services good and prices affordable.
If you know some examples when medical help is denied because someone is uninsured please provide a link.
You are peddling fiction..Obamacare has slowed the rise of healthcare cost, not increase it..Take some time to look it up...Obamacare has not compromised the quality of healthcare as you have suggested..Why would that happen and where has it happened??
Patients won't be denied entrance to an emergency room but people cannot get selective surgery..People has ha to sell their homes to pay for medical procedures in the past before Obamacare..So you are making it sound like all have access to medical care which is a bit misleading..
May be a bit... and if some people have house and jobs why they are not insured? Stupid or greedy?
As per Obamacare the premiums are rising and drugs cost is rising also.
So I do not know what you are talking about.
Obamacare get 10+ millions uninsured people on-board which is good and hopefully they will be getting quality care.
It still depends on plan they will take from exchanges.
Obamacare or not it is insurance and it cost money for premiums and deductibles.
I do not care who introduced it. If it will be good I am all for it, it it will stink I am for replacing it with something better.