Rose and Lee in the backcourt is FAR from tremendous. If Noah is old Noah which I assume that chances are he won't be then the front court is really solid.
HofstraBBall@ 9/5/2016 9:01 PM
mreinman wrote:Rose and Lee in the backcourt is FAR from tremendous. If Noah is old Noah which I assume that chances are he won't be then the front court is really solid.
Would say it's a big improvement over Jose and Afflalo? Feel Rose and Lee add another 15 wins for us. Also excited about the new bench and the potential to have a solid young base of players going forward.
mreinman@ 9/5/2016 9:11 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
mreinman wrote:Rose and Lee in the backcourt is FAR from tremendous. If Noah is old Noah which I assume that chances are he won't be then the front court is really solid.
Would say it's a big improvement over Jose and Afflalo? Feel Rose and Lee add another 15 wins for us. Also excited about the new bench and the potential to have a solid young base of players going forward.
15 wins? No freakin way. I think our bench may be our weakest spot.
EnySpree@ 9/5/2016 9:19 PM
mreinman wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
mreinman wrote:Rose and Lee in the backcourt is FAR from tremendous. If Noah is old Noah which I assume that chances are he won't be then the front court is really solid.
Would say it's a big improvement over Jose and Afflalo? Feel Rose and Lee add another 15 wins for us. Also excited about the new bench and the potential to have a solid young base of players going forward.
15 wins? No freakin way. I think our bench may be our weakest spot.
Far from tremendous? So what are we talking about here. Are they worse than Jose and Affalo because that backcourt was far from tremendous.... and if Rose and Lee are far from tremendous but then you say the bench is the weakest spot.... my God will the Knicks ever win a game next year?
CrushAlot@ 9/5/2016 9:44 PM
Last years bench was Williams, Galloway, Lance, Grant, Sasha, O'Quinn/Seraphin. This year it is Jennings, Lance, Holiday, O'Quinn/Willy, Mindas/NDour, and probably some Sasha. The Knicks may miss Williams but Jennings/Holiday should be an upgrade over Grant and last seasons version of Galloway. I think O'Quinn bounces back this year. I also think Hornacek will be creative in his substitutions. I think KP gets some time at the 5. I think Rose and Jennings will be on the floor together. I think Melo sees time at the 4. I think the bench will be fine. Hopefully the Knicks give the 15th spot to a guy that can play some point.
StarksEwing1@ 9/5/2016 9:46 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Last years bench was Williams, Galloway, Lance, Grant, Sasha, O'Quinn/Seraphin. This year it is Jennings, Lance, Holiday, O'Quinn/Willy, Mindas/NDour, and probably some Sasha. The Knicks may miss Williams but Jennings/Holiday should be an upgrade over Grant and last seasons version of Galloway. I think O'Quinn bounces back this year. I also think Hornacek will be creative in his substitutions. I think KP gets some time at the 5. I think Rose and Jennings will be on the floor together. I think Melo sees time at the 4. I think the bench will be fine. Hopefully the Knicks give the 15th spot to a guy that can play some point.
im happy with jennings. I think willy will do well in that role. Im still a big jerian grant fan but jennings help ease the sting. Obviously if we get hit with the injury bug it could be dicey
nixluva@ 9/5/2016 10:16 PM
I'm very interested in Holiday. He's 6-6 with a 7-1 wingspan and he wants to defend. Imagine him out there with LT Ndour and KP!!! That's a lot of quickness and length defensively. Jennings would be supported defensively.
StarksEwing1@ 9/5/2016 10:17 PM
nixluva wrote:I'm very interested in Holiday. He's 6-6 with a 7-1 wingspan and he wants to defend. Imagine him out there with LT Ndour and KP!!! That's a lot of quickness and length defensively. Jennings would be supported defensively.
yup holiday was a brilliant move. Phil is a genius !!!
CrushAlot@ 9/5/2016 10:47 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm very interested in Holiday. He's 6-6 with a 7-1 wingspan and he wants to defend. Imagine him out there with LT Ndour and KP!!! That's a lot of quickness and length defensively. Jennings would be supported defensively.
yup holiday was a brilliant move. Phil is a genius !!!
I heard a couple of things on different podcasts. One was just guys speculating that Holiday wasn't a throw in, but rather a guy Phil targeted. I also heard Matt Moore say he liked the Knicks bench. Moore is generally a pretty harsh critic. He is not a fan of PJax.
StarksEwing1@ 9/5/2016 10:50 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I'm very interested in Holiday. He's 6-6 with a 7-1 wingspan and he wants to defend. Imagine him out there with LT Ndour and KP!!! That's a lot of quickness and length defensively. Jennings would be supported defensively.
yup holiday was a brilliant move. Phil is a genius !!!
I heard a couple of things on different podcasts. One was just guys speculating that Holiday wasn't a throw in, but rather a guy Phil targeted. I also heard Matt Moore say he liked the Knicks bench. Moore is generally a pretty harsh critic. He is not a fan of PJax.
obviously matt moore knows nothing. Any type of negativity or criticism of the knicks is simply fiction
HofstraBBall@ 9/6/2016 7:55 AM
mreinman wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
mreinman wrote:Rose and Lee in the backcourt is FAR from tremendous. If Noah is old Noah which I assume that chances are he won't be then the front court is really solid.
Would say it's a big improvement over Jose and Afflalo? Feel Rose and Lee add another 15 wins for us. Also excited about the new bench and the potential to have a solid young base of players going forward.
15 wins? No freakin way. I think our bench may be our weakest spot.
Who was our bench last year? DWill was the only one who played with small samplings of consistency. Ok, so I have them for 47 wins. You? 20-25?
GoNyGoNyGo@ 9/6/2016 9:59 AM
I agree the bench is much better. The team will win extend leads with the bench or get back in the game there. NIce mix of youth, experience, and toughtness.
Malcolm@ 9/6/2016 12:31 PM
I'm still waiting to see some evidence that Rose can play effectively in the Triangle.
That's the bottom line for this team.
If Knicks don't score often enough in transition to justify the Rose trade, then things can get ugly chemistry-wise.
Anthony will be okay with transition-first modification of the Triangle as long as it's producing points -- Rose getting "his" points.
But if Rose isn't effective in that, then he's got to make some marvelous transformation into a world class Triangle guard to help Anthony get "his" points.
I'm waiting to see that . . .
GustavBahler@ 9/6/2016 12:50 PM
I like this starting lineup, its going to be fun to watch at least some of the time. That alone is a step up from most seasons. Its not talent, its mileage. If this squad does end up having a short shelf life, I hope the they make a nice run, get NY back in the game again.
nixluva@ 9/6/2016 12:56 PM
Malcolm wrote:I'm still waiting to see some evidence that Rose can play effectively in the Triangle.
That's the bottom line for this team.
I don't know why this keeps coming up, but Rose played some Triangle under Thibs in Chicago! He most certainly can run Pinch Post Dribble Handoffs as he has many times with Noah. People talk as if these basic concepts are going to be foreign to Rose. Rose doesn't play off the ball a lot but he has done it before.
Malcolm wrote:If Knicks don't score often enough in transition to justify the Rose trade, then things can get ugly chemistry-wise.
Anthony will be okay with transition-first modification of the Triangle as long as it's producing points -- Rose getting "his" points.
Just so we're clear, The Triangle was ALWAYS a Transition 1st offense. That really isn't a modification.
Learn the seven dimensions of a sound offense By Phil Jackson and Tex Winter Seven Principles of the Sound Offense
An effective offense, to my way of thinking, features the following dimensions. 1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline. >snip< Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.
Malcolm wrote:But if Rose isn't effective in that, then he's got to make some marvelous transformation into a world class Triangle guard to help Anthony get "his" points.
I'm waiting to see that . . .
Melo can score PERIOD. He doesn't need Triangle or anything in particular to score. He proved this in Denver, under MDA and Woodson and on the Olympic Team. He'll be just fine in Hornacek's schemes.
EnySpree@ 9/6/2016 3:28 PM
nixluva wrote:
Malcolm wrote:I'm still waiting to see some evidence that Rose can play effectively in the Triangle.
That's the bottom line for this team.
I don't know why this keeps coming up, but Rose played some Triangle under Thibs in Chicago! He most certainly can run Pinch Post Dribble Handoffs as he has many times with Noah. People talk as if these basic concepts are going to be foreign to Rose. Rose doesn't play off the ball a lot but he has done it before.
Malcolm wrote:If Knicks don't score often enough in transition to justify the Rose trade, then things can get ugly chemistry-wise.
Anthony will be okay with transition-first modification of the Triangle as long as it's producing points -- Rose getting "his" points.
Just so we're clear, The Triangle was ALWAYS a Transition 1st offense. That really isn't a modification.
Learn the seven dimensions of a sound offense By Phil Jackson and Tex Winter Seven Principles of the Sound Offense
An effective offense, to my way of thinking, features the following dimensions. 1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline. >snip< Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.
Malcolm wrote:But if Rose isn't effective in that, then he's got to make some marvelous transformation into a world class Triangle guard to help Anthony get "his" points.
I'm waiting to see that . . .
Melo can score PERIOD. He doesn't need Triangle or anything in particular to score. He proved this in Denver, under MDA and Woodson and on the Olympic Team. He'll be just fine in Hornacek's schemes.
I tell you Nixluva if you weren't here I don't know what this forum would be like. Guys want to be ignorant. Guys want to talk negative just because that's the real reason they follow the team. The negativity is their true passion.
nixluva@ 9/6/2016 6:02 PM
EnySpree wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Malcolm wrote:I'm still waiting to see some evidence that Rose can play effectively in the Triangle.
That's the bottom line for this team.
I don't know why this keeps coming up, but Rose played some Triangle under Thibs in Chicago! He most certainly can run Pinch Post Dribble Handoffs as he has many times with Noah. People talk as if these basic concepts are going to be foreign to Rose. Rose doesn't play off the ball a lot but he has done it before.
Malcolm wrote:If Knicks don't score often enough in transition to justify the Rose trade, then things can get ugly chemistry-wise.
Anthony will be okay with transition-first modification of the Triangle as long as it's producing points -- Rose getting "his" points.
Just so we're clear, The Triangle was ALWAYS a Transition 1st offense. That really isn't a modification.
Learn the seven dimensions of a sound offense By Phil Jackson and Tex Winter Seven Principles of the Sound Offense
An effective offense, to my way of thinking, features the following dimensions. 1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline. >snip< Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.
Malcolm wrote:But if Rose isn't effective in that, then he's got to make some marvelous transformation into a world class Triangle guard to help Anthony get "his" points.
I'm waiting to see that . . .
Melo can score PERIOD. He doesn't need Triangle or anything in particular to score. He proved this in Denver, under MDA and Woodson and on the Olympic Team. He'll be just fine in Hornacek's schemes.
I tell you Nixluva if you weren't here I don't know what this forum would be like. Guys want to be ignorant. Guys want to talk negative just because that's the real reason they follow the team. The negativity is their true passion.
For me all that matters is right now and the future. Can't change the past. This group is much more well thought out in addition to the improvement in talent. There are fewer holes IMO. The top 7 players are all solid IMO. The bench is full of unproven talent but they do have talent.
What caught my attention was Hornacek saying he wasn't going to use a Platoon system. That has always bothered me. I prefer a rotation that tries to make sure you always have some of your starting quality players on the floor. With a solid top 7 players Hornacek should have no trouble being able to do that. When you have less talent then it becomes much harder to set rotations that are effective. I think we have just enough talent to make it work.
knickscity@ 9/6/2016 7:14 PM
The poster in the comments by the name of "Scoe63" is a riot. With that said, the starting lineup is pretty solid talent-wise. One of the things I'm looking forward to seeing is how Hornacek manages not only the starters minutes, but how he staggers them out throughout the games to stabilize the bench and provides proper rest. that's not an easy task since a few of the core cannot log heavy minutes. I do think if the main guys can remain relatively healthy this will be a very good team.
blkexec@ 9/7/2016 11:39 PM
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Malcolm wrote:I'm still waiting to see some evidence that Rose can play effectively in the Triangle.
That's the bottom line for this team.
I don't know why this keeps coming up, but Rose played some Triangle under Thibs in Chicago! He most certainly can run Pinch Post Dribble Handoffs as he has many times with Noah. People talk as if these basic concepts are going to be foreign to Rose. Rose doesn't play off the ball a lot but he has done it before.
Malcolm wrote:If Knicks don't score often enough in transition to justify the Rose trade, then things can get ugly chemistry-wise.
Anthony will be okay with transition-first modification of the Triangle as long as it's producing points -- Rose getting "his" points.
Just so we're clear, The Triangle was ALWAYS a Transition 1st offense. That really isn't a modification.
Learn the seven dimensions of a sound offense By Phil Jackson and Tex Winter Seven Principles of the Sound Offense
An effective offense, to my way of thinking, features the following dimensions. 1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline. >snip< Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.
Malcolm wrote:But if Rose isn't effective in that, then he's got to make some marvelous transformation into a world class Triangle guard to help Anthony get "his" points.
I'm waiting to see that . . .
Melo can score PERIOD. He doesn't need Triangle or anything in particular to score. He proved this in Denver, under MDA and Woodson and on the Olympic Team. He'll be just fine in Hornacek's schemes.
I tell you Nixluva if you weren't here I don't know what this forum would be like. Guys want to be ignorant. Guys want to talk negative just because that's the real reason they follow the team. The negativity is their true passion.
For me all that matters is right now and the future. Can't change the past. This group is much more well thought out in addition to the improvement in talent. There are fewer holes IMO. The top 7 players are all solid IMO. The bench is full of unproven talent but they do have talent.
What caught my attention was Hornacek saying he wasn't going to use a Platoon system. That has always bothered me. I prefer a rotation that tries to make sure you always have some of your starting quality players on the floor. With a solid top 7 players Hornacek should have no trouble being able to do that. When you have less talent then it becomes much harder to set rotations that are effective. I think we have just enough talent to make it work.
Every year, I am optimistic about this team.....But thats just me being a fan and hoping for the best (glass half full). But this year, there's no need to stretch the true. We actually have a solid 8 this year, if you count at least 1 bench player out side of the 7, will step up. Could be KOQ, Willy or Mindy, who's already putting in volunteer work. With a solid 8, you will always have a solid team on the floor....
1. Melo 2. KP 3. Rose 4. Noah 5. Lee 6. Jennings 7. Thomas 8. K O'Quinn, Mindy, Willy
The bench is not a weakness, when surrounded by 8 solid NBA players, stars and potential super star (KP).
mreinman@ 9/8/2016 12:07 AM
blkexec wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Malcolm wrote:I'm still waiting to see some evidence that Rose can play effectively in the Triangle.
That's the bottom line for this team.
I don't know why this keeps coming up, but Rose played some Triangle under Thibs in Chicago! He most certainly can run Pinch Post Dribble Handoffs as he has many times with Noah. People talk as if these basic concepts are going to be foreign to Rose. Rose doesn't play off the ball a lot but he has done it before.
Malcolm wrote:If Knicks don't score often enough in transition to justify the Rose trade, then things can get ugly chemistry-wise.
Anthony will be okay with transition-first modification of the Triangle as long as it's producing points -- Rose getting "his" points.
Just so we're clear, The Triangle was ALWAYS a Transition 1st offense. That really isn't a modification.
Learn the seven dimensions of a sound offense By Phil Jackson and Tex Winter Seven Principles of the Sound Offense
An effective offense, to my way of thinking, features the following dimensions. 1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline. >snip< Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.
Malcolm wrote:But if Rose isn't effective in that, then he's got to make some marvelous transformation into a world class Triangle guard to help Anthony get "his" points.
I'm waiting to see that . . .
Melo can score PERIOD. He doesn't need Triangle or anything in particular to score. He proved this in Denver, under MDA and Woodson and on the Olympic Team. He'll be just fine in Hornacek's schemes.
I tell you Nixluva if you weren't here I don't know what this forum would be like. Guys want to be ignorant. Guys want to talk negative just because that's the real reason they follow the team. The negativity is their true passion.
For me all that matters is right now and the future. Can't change the past. This group is much more well thought out in addition to the improvement in talent. There are fewer holes IMO. The top 7 players are all solid IMO. The bench is full of unproven talent but they do have talent.
What caught my attention was Hornacek saying he wasn't going to use a Platoon system. That has always bothered me. I prefer a rotation that tries to make sure you always have some of your starting quality players on the floor. With a solid top 7 players Hornacek should have no trouble being able to do that. When you have less talent then it becomes much harder to set rotations that are effective. I think we have just enough talent to make it work.
Every year, I am optimistic about this team.....But thats just me being a fan and hoping for the best (glass half full). But this year, there's no need to stretch the true. We actually have a solid 8 this year, if you count at least 1 bench player out side of the 7, will step up. Could be KOQ, Willy or Mindy, who's already putting in volunteer work. With a solid 8, you will always have a solid team on the floor....
1. Melo 2. KP 3. Rose 4. Noah 5. Lee 6. Jennings 7. Thomas 8. K O'Quinn, Mindy, Willy
The bench is not a weakness, when surrounded by 8 solid NBA players, stars and potential super star (KP).
you are just assuming that Rose will completely turn it around and that Noah will be healthy. Huge question marks. If those two things happen, of course we will be solid.
