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fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:well those rings are old history. This is the new NBA. They didn't have advanced stats when Phil was winning rings so those guys were basically fumbling around in the darkfishmike wrote:Everyone on the internet knows how to build a better team than Phil Jackson.Well duh. 16 rings vs one killer thread? Not even close.
Back then advanced stats were for rotisserie league players.
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:well those rings are old history. This is the new NBA. They didn't have advanced stats when Phil was winning rings so those guys were basically fumbling around in the darkfishmike wrote:Everyone on the internet knows how to build a better team than Phil Jackson.Well duh. 16 rings vs one killer thread? Not even close.
Triangle??? We talkin' bout Triangle??? The dayum court's shaped like a rectangle, Phil!!! Wake da fucque up, ol man!
jrodmc wrote:Well, let's see...We've exhausted the off-season Melohate; I mean, we even have the likes of ChuckyBooBoo hedging his bets...
Rose the filthy pig disgusting rapist has apparently gotten Chucky banned or warned or something, and that thread's essentially degenerated into mreinman talking to himself. I had hoped it was going to out-page the Tony Wroten thread, but...
Noah is now an overpaid injury just waiting to blow up. And it's just certain he came here to waste the last two years of that ridiculous contract. All our hard-earned fanboy cap money going down the toilet...
Now we have Lou Admundson hate for having the audacity to get minumum NBA wage and taking up the 15th chair, when our Somberfolk are absolutely, positively sure there's got to be a younger, more youthful version of CP3/Jeremy Lin II just waiting to be signed for Lou's peanuts, and would love the opportunity to sit behind DRose, Jennings and Handle and possibly Sasha.
The UK. When all else fails, play the negativity card.
I wrote something similar but with more motherfuckers in it than a Sam Jackson movie.... glad I deleted it and I'm glad you had the patience to write something so eloquently
EnySpree wrote:jrodmc wrote:Well, let's see...We've exhausted the off-season Melohate; I mean, we even have the likes of ChuckyBooBoo hedging his bets...
Rose the filthy pig disgusting rapist has apparently gotten Chucky banned or warned or something, and that thread's essentially degenerated into mreinman talking to himself. I had hoped it was going to out-page the Tony Wroten thread, but...
Noah is now an overpaid injury just waiting to blow up. And it's just certain he came here to waste the last two years of that ridiculous contract. All our hard-earned fanboy cap money going down the toilet...
Now we have Lou Admundson hate for having the audacity to get minumum NBA wage and taking up the 15th chair, when our Somberfolk are absolutely, positively sure there's got to be a younger, more youthful version of CP3/Jeremy Lin II just waiting to be signed for Lou's peanuts, and would love the opportunity to sit behind DRose, Jennings and Handle and possibly Sasha.
The UK. When all else fails, play the negativity card.
I wrote something similar but with more motherfuckers in it than a Sam Jackson movie.... glad I deleted it and I'm glad you had the patience to write something so eloquently
why you got to be a such a pussy and delete your post? Keep that shit out there lol
martin wrote:EnySpree wrote:jrodmc wrote:Well, let's see...We've exhausted the off-season Melohate; I mean, we even have the likes of ChuckyBooBoo hedging his bets...
Rose the filthy pig disgusting rapist has apparently gotten Chucky banned or warned or something, and that thread's essentially degenerated into mreinman talking to himself. I had hoped it was going to out-page the Tony Wroten thread, but...
Noah is now an overpaid injury just waiting to blow up. And it's just certain he came here to waste the last two years of that ridiculous contract. All our hard-earned fanboy cap money going down the toilet...
Now we have Lou Admundson hate for having the audacity to get minumum NBA wage and taking up the 15th chair, when our Somberfolk are absolutely, positively sure there's got to be a younger, more youthful version of CP3/Jeremy Lin II just waiting to be signed for Lou's peanuts, and would love the opportunity to sit behind DRose, Jennings and Handle and possibly Sasha.
The UK. When all else fails, play the negativity card.
I wrote something similar but with more motherfuckers in it than a Sam Jackson movie.... glad I deleted it and I'm glad you had the patience to write something so eloquently
why you got to be a such a pussy and delete your post? Keep that shit out there lol
I kindly direct your attention to the UK board's etiquette rules... any further infractions, and I will petition the other, more genteel owner to have you banned...
I guess it comes down to, do you want a skill full player who maybe a locker room hazard, or a good locker room guy who cant play a lick.
knicks1248 wrote:Didn't lance Stephenson get the same money?I guess it comes down to, do you want a skill full player who maybe a locker room hazard, or a good locker room guy who cant play a lick.
OR if that player controversial or not even wants to come here.
smackeddog wrote:Wouldn't be the ultimateknicks board without the annual meltdown about a minimum contract for the 15th spot on the roster
I think this is actually the 18th player signed.... this forum is like having a ounce of weed, a pipe and no lighter at times
knicks1248 wrote:Didn't lance Stephenson get the same money?I guess it comes down to, do you want a skill full player who maybe a locker room hazard, or a good locker room guy who cant play a lick.
The guy with the 11 championships chose the locker room guy.
I think the thing people miss is that a guy at the end of the bench who "thinks" he deserves more minutes does a couple of things that can hurt a team.
- he may start to bitch and hurt team chemistry
- he may not play/practice as hard because his va-j-j is hurt
- most importantly it can impact the guy who is getting the minutes because he may start looking over his shoulder
Phil's historical rosters are littered with guys like Jack Haley, Chris Mihm, Bill Wennington, Mark Madsen (maybe the best compare for Sweet Lou). I think it's obvious that Phil thinks this player/role can play a part in the overall team dynamic without playing many minutes.
jrodmc wrote:martin wrote:EnySpree wrote:jrodmc wrote:Well, let's see...We've exhausted the off-season Melohate; I mean, we even have the likes of ChuckyBooBoo hedging his bets...
Rose the filthy pig disgusting rapist has apparently gotten Chucky banned or warned or something, and that thread's essentially degenerated into mreinman talking to himself. I had hoped it was going to out-page the Tony Wroten thread, but...
Noah is now an overpaid injury just waiting to blow up. And it's just certain he came here to waste the last two years of that ridiculous contract. All our hard-earned fanboy cap money going down the toilet...
Now we have Lou Admundson hate for having the audacity to get minumum NBA wage and taking up the 15th chair, when our Somberfolk are absolutely, positively sure there's got to be a younger, more youthful version of CP3/Jeremy Lin II just waiting to be signed for Lou's peanuts, and would love the opportunity to sit behind DRose, Jennings and Handle and possibly Sasha.
The UK. When all else fails, play the negativity card.
I wrote something similar but with more motherfuckers in it than a Sam Jackson movie.... glad I deleted it and I'm glad you had the patience to write something so eloquently
why you got to be a such a pussy and delete your post? Keep that shit out there lol
I kindly direct your attention to the UK board's etiquette rules... any further infractions, and I will petition the other, more genteel owner to have you banned...
I think we were a solid 15th guy away from a championship year. Lol The board has had a drastic change in the last few months. Went from Melo bashing to Phil bashing to Melo bashing to free agent bashing to Rose bashing. Kinda admire the dedication to bashing. If not what would we have left? Optimism about our beloved Knicks? Nah. At least we have the consistent Mreinman "What will we do without Rolo's great picks" commentary. Btw, cue the maybe we can trade Lou for Westbrook thread.
What would make this easier to swallow is if we already have a commitment from Chasson Randle to play in Westchester (who knows -- last I heard, I thought at least 3 teams were interested in Randle--he could very well bolt now if he thinks there's no way to make the Knicks' roster. Why stay if he gets a better offer? But even if Randle agreed to go through training camp and then go to Westchester--if he excelled, any team could swoop in and sign him at any time. I think it's more important to SECURE another PG for depth behind Rose and Jennings either right now or by the end of camp, preferably a similar lead guard-type like a Chasson Randle that can handle it, score, push it, play uptempo, etc. Randle's obviously inexperienced but he does possess those qualities. If Rose AND Jennings ever went down at the same time, I'd want something in place where we could at least try to keep playing the same way/same style. That's how an extra PG fits. How does Amundson fit? Also, I'd be interested to hear what Hornacek thinks about this. I would think he'd prefer to carry the extra ball-handler.
nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33
Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
Finestrg wrote:fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
You are wasting your time, everything is wonderful, every move is wonderful. Don't dare to question! Lou is better and more valuable than any backup PG. Heck, Lou can even play PG in the new modified triangle. I'll be back with charts to prove it.
Finestrg wrote:fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
This is the money for the end of the bench crew. As I demonstrated above there's enough spots for the Knicks to carry a 3rd PG even if Lou sticks on the roster.
SIGNED BASE
PLAYER POS. USING SALARY DEAD CAP CAP FIGURE CAP %
Louis Amundson PF Minimum $1,551,659 ($980,431) $980,431 1.04
Sasha Vujacic SG Minimum $1,410,598 ($980,431) $980,431 1.04
Ron Baker SG Minimum $543,471 ($75,000) $543,471 0.58
Maurice N'dour PF Minimum $543,471 ($1,448,720) $543,471 0.58
Marshall Plumlee PF Cap Space $543,471 ($643,471) $543,471 0.58
Chasson Randle PG Minimum $543,471 ($100,000) $543,471 0.58
J.P. Tokoto SG Minimum $543,471 ($100,000) $543,471 0.58
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knic...
Finestrg wrote:There is another thread where there is a podcast talking about how Hornacek likes to run a two point guard offense. If the Knicks keep Lou, Plumlee and NDour they have two point guards. I don't think anyone that follows the Knicks dislikes Lou or doesn't see that he is a good egg that can provide leadership and be a role model. The problem is roster balance. Phil is fond of Lou. I think he gets a spot. Who goes if the Knicks decide to get or keep a camp guy that can play the point? If they don't keep/get a point guard it seems like a big risk and also a step away from what the coach likes to do playing two points at the same time.fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:There is another thread where there is a podcast talking about how Hornacek likes to run a two point guard offense. If the Knicks keep Lou, Plumlee and NDour they have two point guards. I don't think anyone that follows the Knicks dislikes Lou or doesn't see that he is a good egg that can provide leadership and be a role model. The problem is roster balance. Phil is fond of Lou. I think he gets a spot. Who goes if the Knicks decide to get or keep a camp guy that can play the point? If they don't keep/get a point guard it seems like a big risk and also a step away from what the coach likes to do playing two points at the same time.fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
The Knicks are VERY serious about Randle IMO. I doubt that he doesn't make the roster if he shows anything decent. He's clearly got the kind of talent that Hornacek needs from a guard. He's a scorer like Rose and Jennings, but with better shooting and he still has all of his explosion. No way Lou would get in the way of having Randle on the bench IMO.
nixluva wrote:I hope so but I don't think Lou is the guy that is cut. Maybe Plumlee. I agree with Briggs about Tokoto.CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:There is another thread where there is a podcast talking about how Hornacek likes to run a two point guard offense. If the Knicks keep Lou, Plumlee and NDour they have two point guards. I don't think anyone that follows the Knicks dislikes Lou or doesn't see that he is a good egg that can provide leadership and be a role model. The problem is roster balance. Phil is fond of Lou. I think he gets a spot. Who goes if the Knicks decide to get or keep a camp guy that can play the point? If they don't keep/get a point guard it seems like a big risk and also a step away from what the coach likes to do playing two points at the same time.fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
The Knicks are VERY serious about Randle IMO. I doubt that he doesn't make the roster if he shows anything decent. He's clearly got the kind of talent that Hornacek needs from a guard. He's a scorer like Rose and Jennings, but with better shooting and he still has all of his explosion. No way Lou would get in the way of having Randle on the bench IMO.