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nixluva wrote:I hope so but I don't think Lou is the guy that is cut. Maybe Plumlee. I agree with Briggs about Tokoto.CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:There is another thread where there is a podcast talking about how Hornacek likes to run a two point guard offense. If the Knicks keep Lou, Plumlee and NDour they have two point guards. I don't think anyone that follows the Knicks dislikes Lou or doesn't see that he is a good egg that can provide leadership and be a role model. The problem is roster balance. Phil is fond of Lou. I think he gets a spot. Who goes if the Knicks decide to get or keep a camp guy that can play the point? If they don't keep/get a point guard it seems like a big risk and also a step away from what the coach likes to do playing two points at the same time.fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
The Knicks are VERY serious about Randle IMO. I doubt that he doesn't make the roster if he shows anything decent. He's clearly got the kind of talent that Hornacek needs from a guard. He's a scorer like Rose and Jennings, but with better shooting and he still has all of his explosion. No way Lou would get in the way of having Randle on the bench IMO.
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:There is another thread where there is a podcast talking about how Hornacek likes to run a two point guard offense. If the Knicks keep Lou, Plumlee and NDour they have two point guards. I don't think anyone that follows the Knicks dislikes Lou or doesn't see that he is a good egg that can provide leadership and be a role model. The problem is roster balance. Phil is fond of Lou. I think he gets a spot. Who goes if the Knicks decide to get or keep a camp guy that can play the point? If they don't keep/get a point guard it seems like a big risk and also a step away from what the coach likes to do playing two points at the same time.fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
The Knicks are VERY serious about Randle IMO. I doubt that he doesn't make the roster if he shows anything decent. He's clearly got the kind of talent that Hornacek needs from a guard. He's a scorer like Rose and Jennings, but with better shooting and he still has all of his explosion. No way Lou would get in the way of having Randle on the bench IMO.
Hope you're right but I think they see things differently. I'm assuming that every player that was given full-year guaranteed money will make the club -- Sasha, Plumlee (who was given 3 years of guaranteed money) and now Lou (all 3 guys I could do without btw but that's a different conversation I guess). You've got 2 of those guys on the outside looking in but I have my doubts. Based on how this team has handled things for as long as I've been watching them--these guys will be on the roster. Again, how many players in the past that have signed guaranteed contracts, even for 1 year, wound up getting cut right before the season starts? None that I can think of. Maybe I'm wrong. Can you think of any? Usually, whoever they decide to give full-year guaranteed money to winds up making the team. Maybe this year will be different like you're saying. I know this--there's no reason to carry Lou Amundson but there's a need for Randle. Hopefully they secure him on this roster.
Finestrg wrote:Did they waive a guy to keep Travis Wear? I think he was the guy the nets amnestied but I can't remember his name. To your point though, it doesn't happen often.nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:There is another thread where there is a podcast talking about how Hornacek likes to run a two point guard offense. If the Knicks keep Lou, Plumlee and NDour they have two point guards. I don't think anyone that follows the Knicks dislikes Lou or doesn't see that he is a good egg that can provide leadership and be a role model. The problem is roster balance. Phil is fond of Lou. I think he gets a spot. Who goes if the Knicks decide to get or keep a camp guy that can play the point? If they don't keep/get a point guard it seems like a big risk and also a step away from what the coach likes to do playing two points at the same time.fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
The Knicks are VERY serious about Randle IMO. I doubt that he doesn't make the roster if he shows anything decent. He's clearly got the kind of talent that Hornacek needs from a guard. He's a scorer like Rose and Jennings, but with better shooting and he still has all of his explosion. No way Lou would get in the way of having Randle on the bench IMO.Hope you're right but I think they see things differently. I'm assuming that every player that was given full-year guaranteed money will make the club -- Sasha, Plumlee (who was given 3 years of guaranteed money) and now Lou (all 3 guys I could do without btw but that's a different conversation I guess). You've got 2 of those guys on the outside looking in but I have my doubts. Based on how this team has handled things for as long as I've been watching them--these guys will be on the roster. Again, how many players in the past that have signed guaranteed contracts, even for 1 year, wound up getting cut right before the season starts? None that I can think of. Maybe I'm wrong. Can you think of any? Usually, whoever they decide to give full-year guaranteed money to winds up making the team. Maybe this year will be different like you're saying. I know this--there's no reason to carry Lou Amundson but there's a need for Randle. Hopefully they secure him on this roster.
Finestrg wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:There is another thread where there is a podcast talking about how Hornacek likes to run a two point guard offense. If the Knicks keep Lou, Plumlee and NDour they have two point guards. I don't think anyone that follows the Knicks dislikes Lou or doesn't see that he is a good egg that can provide leadership and be a role model. The problem is roster balance. Phil is fond of Lou. I think he gets a spot. Who goes if the Knicks decide to get or keep a camp guy that can play the point? If they don't keep/get a point guard it seems like a big risk and also a step away from what the coach likes to do playing two points at the same time.fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
The Knicks are VERY serious about Randle IMO. I doubt that he doesn't make the roster if he shows anything decent. He's clearly got the kind of talent that Hornacek needs from a guard. He's a scorer like Rose and Jennings, but with better shooting and he still has all of his explosion. No way Lou would get in the way of having Randle on the bench IMO.Hope you're right but I think they see things differently. I'm assuming that every player that was given full-year guaranteed money will make the club -- Sasha, Plumlee (who was given 3 years of guaranteed money) and now Lou (all 3 guys I could do without btw but that's a different conversation I guess). You've got 2 of those guys on the outside looking in but I have my doubts. Based on how this team has handled things for as long as I've been watching them--these guys will be on the roster. Again, how many players in the past that have signed guaranteed contracts, even for 1 year, wound up getting cut right before the season starts? None that I can think of. Maybe I'm wrong. Can you think of any? Usually, whoever they decide to give full-year guaranteed money to winds up making the team. Maybe this year will be different like you're saying. I know this--there's no reason to carry Lou Amundson but there's a need for Randle. Hopefully they secure him on this roster.
Just in terms of logic it would make no sense to keep both Plumlee and Amundson. We already have enough PF/C's on the team.
My list isn't to suggest that they'll keep both Randle and Baker, I just listed them that way. Baker could go to the D League. It could easily end up being Plumlee and Randle with the 14th and 15th spot. IMO Amundson has no role or future with the team so I don't think they'd use up a spot on him.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33
Finestrg wrote:fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
I don't why anyone would guess when we have google. Vet min is $1.8M.
martin wrote:Finestrg wrote:fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.I don't why anyone would guess when we have google. Vet min is $1.8M.
Looked it up before and was going to correct. You beat me to it. Count on you Martin to jump all over me for any mistake. Thanks buddy! Hey, I knew it wasn't no 600k.. Hard to Google stuff on an IPad while having UK open btw. Opening another web site wipes out everything I type in a response on UK up to that particular point for some reason.
Finestrg wrote:martin wrote:Finestrg wrote:fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.I don't why anyone would guess when we have google. Vet min is $1.8M.
Looked it up before and was going to correct. You beat me to it. Count on you Martin to jump all over me for any mistake. Thanks buddy! Hey, I knew it wasn't no 600k.. Hard to Google stuff on an IPad while having UK open btw. Opening another web site wipes out everything I type in a response on UK up to that particular point for some reason.
wow really? man that sucks
Finestrg wrote:weren't you the guy last year who said Phil was an utter and total failure for losing out on NDour? And now anyone with half a brain can see that Lou is a waste?nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:There is another thread where there is a podcast talking about how Hornacek likes to run a two point guard offense. If the Knicks keep Lou, Plumlee and NDour they have two point guards. I don't think anyone that follows the Knicks dislikes Lou or doesn't see that he is a good egg that can provide leadership and be a role model. The problem is roster balance. Phil is fond of Lou. I think he gets a spot. Who goes if the Knicks decide to get or keep a camp guy that can play the point? If they don't keep/get a point guard it seems like a big risk and also a step away from what the coach likes to do playing two points at the same time.fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
The Knicks are VERY serious about Randle IMO. I doubt that he doesn't make the roster if he shows anything decent. He's clearly got the kind of talent that Hornacek needs from a guard. He's a scorer like Rose and Jennings, but with better shooting and he still has all of his explosion. No way Lou would get in the way of having Randle on the bench IMO.Hope you're right but I think they see things differently. I'm assuming that every player that was given full-year guaranteed money will make the club -- Sasha, Plumlee (who was given 3 years of guaranteed money) and now Lou (all 3 guys I could do without btw but that's a different conversation I guess). You've got 2 of those guys on the outside looking in but I have my doubts. Based on how this team has handled things for as long as I've been watching them--these guys will be on the roster. Again, how many players in the past that have signed guaranteed contracts, even for 1 year, wound up getting cut right before the season starts? None that I can think of. Maybe I'm wrong. Can you think of any? Usually, whoever they decide to give full-year guaranteed money to winds up making the team. Maybe this year will be different like you're saying. I know this--there's no reason to carry Lou Amundson but there's a need for Randle. Hopefully they secure him on this roster.
You are 100% overthinking.
Can you tell me how the franchise and front office evaluates the Randle? Baker? You have no idea what their goals or plans are. You have no inside knowledge of these things (if I am wrong please share what you know) but you can make broad sweeping "half a brain" type comments when you are working with 10% of the available information on the process.
If YOU had half a brain you would sit back and see what the plan is. See who gets minutes in preseason, see who is going to the Dleague and will be available for a call up if someone gets hurt, see who is the the 3rd PG on the depth chart when the season starts... you know, the FACTS that are actually relevant here. Do you have any of this info? If you do than share. Otherwise you are not qualified to make a judgment on whether or not Lou is a good fit or addition to the roster at this point in the process. You are just shooting out your uninformed opinion and shooting out insults to people who don't share it.
Everyone on the internet is smarter than Phil Jackson and nothing like the 15th roster spot usage to clearly demonstrate this. Oh and the most any veteran on the minimum can make is $1.5mm if you have 10+ years of experience.
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fishmike wrote:Finestrg wrote:weren't you the guy last year who said Phil was an utter and total failure for losing out on NDour? And now anyone with half a brain can see that Lou is a waste?nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:There is another thread where there is a podcast talking about how Hornacek likes to run a two point guard offense. If the Knicks keep Lou, Plumlee and NDour they have two point guards. I don't think anyone that follows the Knicks dislikes Lou or doesn't see that he is a good egg that can provide leadership and be a role model. The problem is roster balance. Phil is fond of Lou. I think he gets a spot. Who goes if the Knicks decide to get or keep a camp guy that can play the point? If they don't keep/get a point guard it seems like a big risk and also a step away from what the coach likes to do playing two points at the same time.fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuffBRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imoIt was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.
Player Age
1. Derrick Rose 27
2. Courtney Lee 30
3. Carmelo Anthony 32
4. Kristaps Porzingis 21
5. Joakim Noah 316. Brandon Jennings 26
7. Lance Thomas 28
8. Justin Holiday 27
9. Kyle O'Quinn 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 2611. Willy Hernangomez 22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour 24
13. Sasha Vujacic 32
14. Chasson Randle 23
15. Ron Baker 2316. Marshall Plumlee 24
17. J.P. Tokoto 23
18. Lou Amundson 33Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.
You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.
My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
The Knicks are VERY serious about Randle IMO. I doubt that he doesn't make the roster if he shows anything decent. He's clearly got the kind of talent that Hornacek needs from a guard. He's a scorer like Rose and Jennings, but with better shooting and he still has all of his explosion. No way Lou would get in the way of having Randle on the bench IMO.Hope you're right but I think they see things differently. I'm assuming that every player that was given full-year guaranteed money will make the club -- Sasha, Plumlee (who was given 3 years of guaranteed money) and now Lou (all 3 guys I could do without btw but that's a different conversation I guess). You've got 2 of those guys on the outside looking in but I have my doubts. Based on how this team has handled things for as long as I've been watching them--these guys will be on the roster. Again, how many players in the past that have signed guaranteed contracts, even for 1 year, wound up getting cut right before the season starts? None that I can think of. Maybe I'm wrong. Can you think of any? Usually, whoever they decide to give full-year guaranteed money to winds up making the team. Maybe this year will be different like you're saying. I know this--there's no reason to carry Lou Amundson but there's a need for Randle. Hopefully they secure him on this roster.
You are 100% overthinking.
Can you tell me how the franchise and front office evaluates the Randle? Baker? You have no idea what their goals or plans are. You have no inside knowledge of these things (if I am wrong please share what you know) but you can make broad sweeping "half a brain" type comments when you are working with 10% of the available information on the process.
If YOU had half a brain you would sit back and see what the plan is. See who gets minutes in preseason, see who is going to the Dleague and will be available for a call up if someone gets hurt, see who is the the 3rd PG on the depth chart when the season starts... you know, the FACTS that are actually relevant here. Do you have any of this info? If you do than share. Otherwise you are not qualified to make a judgment on whether or not Lou is a good fit or addition to the roster at this point in the process. You are just shooting out your uninformed opinion and shooting out insults to people who don't share it.
Everyone on the internet is smarter than Phil Jackson and nothing like the 15th roster spot usage to clearly demonstrate this. Oh and the most any veteran on the minimum can make is $1.5mm if you have 10+ years of experience.
Sorry for the 'half a brain' comment. It was excessive. My apologies...Wasn't aimed at you specifically, just at the majority thought process out there that seems to be OK with Lou possibly making this roster over more PG depth. I just can't understand or condone a move like that. Sorry. Right now, it's the only game in town, the only news. As soon as more news develops around the team, I'll be glad to talk about something else. In the meantime though, this is it. I stand by my position on this -- I think there's a chance that because he was given full-year guaranteed money, and based on how they've handled players like this in the past, I think there's a good chance he'll be on the roster come opening night -- and that could very well mean we lose full control of a good young prospect like Randle (he could go to the DL but if he's not on the 15-man, anyone could swoop in and sign him at any time) AND that we could start the season with only two true PGs, both with recent injury histories. So yeah, that concerns me as a fan of the team... You're right -- I don't know what Phil's full plan is with Lou, only speculating. Do I hope this was only done to get him paid a decent amount of money and that's all, no roster spot? Absolutely. I have my doubts, though, and have expressed them. We'll see what happens. Like I've said a few times now, I hope I'm wrong and we decide to carry an extra PG like a Chasson Randle, I just don't see how if Phil commits to carry Sasha, Lou and Plumlee, all 3 of which were given guaranteed contracts. And the last thing I wanna see (another majority opinion on the board that I don't agree with) is Sasha Vujacic thrust into some backup or God forbid starting PG role. He doesn't qualify as sufficient PG depth to me at all, not even close. He's not even quality SG depth.
As for Phil letting N'Dour go the first time around--I don't recall calling Phil an utter failure but yeah, I was pretty chapped about it. I was the first one on this board to discuss N'Dour, who he was, posting video of him, etc., and that was well before SL even started a couple of years back. Then once SL played out, he obviously played like a keeper. Dude played like 1st round pick-type talent to be perfectly honest. A guy who could impact the game on both ends. So yeah, I was bummed when Cubes swooped in and took him from us. Weren't you?? Glad we have him back in the fold. I'm still very high on him. I don't really understand why you even brought up N'Dour btw. He's 10x the player Lou Amundson is. If it comes down to it, if Lou somehow makes this team over Mo N'Dour, count on me being upset about it. I already have N'Dour penciled in as a keeper.
GustavBahler wrote:4 pages, just 4 pages!! I thought this board used to stand for something.too much energy being spent in the politics thread... meanwhile Phil's failure to once again secure a golden egg prospect with roster spot #15 thus dooming the franchise goes practically unnoticed. Sigh.. what has UK come to
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:4 pages, just 4 pages!! I thought this board used to stand for something.too much energy being spent in the politics thread... meanwhile Phil's failure to once again secure a golden egg prospect with roster spot #15 thus dooming the franchise goes practically unnoticed. Sigh.. what has UK come to
Agree, lol, lots of nervous energy waiting for the season to start, among other reasons. "Meh" was the first thought that came to my mind when I heard this, certainly not enough to register a complaint. We have a lot of new faces, Phil might feel that a familiar one might help. Noah played with Lou as well, granted not that much, but they know each other somewhat.
fishmike wrote:dude... its the 15th man. Perspective. You can hate on Lou all you want but he's been around awhile, is one of the smartest players in the league and is a very hard worker. Saying "you cant condone a move like that" when you just don't have all the info is silly, it just is. You dont know why they brought him back or what their plan or motivation to do so was. On paper there is a lack of depth at guard, and what seems to be a lack of balance there, but again... we don't have all the info. N'Dour is 10x the player Lou is? Lampe played like a star in the summer league also. That's your measuring stick? A little more wait and see and a little less emotion might serve you well. 15th man.
I dunno, man -- I think for this particular team as presently constructed, the 15th man could turn out to be a very important player over a marathon 82-game season. I think you're selling it way short in terms of importance. Suppose this happens: one of Rose or Jennings goes down during the 1st half of a game and we chose to carry Lou Amundson over another legit 3rd PG and are forced to overplay either Rose or Jennings to finish that game (and play significant mins. for the next who knows how many games until the guy makes it back) --OR-- Sasha Vujacic get thrust into action, out of position mind you as a backup ball-handler. How in the world is any of that favorable?? To me, it's worrisome! Or even better--suppose we decide to take Randle but he's either down in the DL when one of our two PGs goes down or on the IR, not even dressed. The earliest we could have him in that scenario would be the following day, right? How's that for a little perspective on the 15th man?? I not only want a 3rd PG on this roster, I want him dressed, ready to go. And what more info. do I need if a guy like Amundson makes the roster over more guard depth?? It's either because he's a nice/hardworking/lunch pail-type player that Phil favors and/or he wants someone like that around to mentor young guys. What other reason could it be?? Definitely not because he has more talent than the bigs ahead of him in the rotation. I mean if they think that, something's dead wrong there...I consider Lou's intangibles incredibly minor, things that can't possibly come before more talent and more guard depth, specifically at lead guard. Hey, that's me....Also, I don't hate Lou Amundson, please relax with that stuff, OK? Emotion has nothing to do with this. Only logical assessment of the roster and how Phil might look to finalize. Nothing more. I have no doubt Lou Amundson is a good dude and works hard. In my view, he's simply not a good player and in this particular case on this team, completely superfluous given all the talent at both forward spots we have ahead of him. I don't get it--is that not a fair statement to make?? You mean to tell me you'd rather see Lou play over guys like Willy, Lance, O'Quinn, Kuz, N'Dour?? Look at all that quality depth right there, and that's not even counting the 3 comprising our starting frontline. What more info. do I need?? We don't need this guy! What we need is another PG. How can anyone possibly argue that? Think about it.
An what does Maciej Lampe have to do with N'Dour??? Lampe had talent, definitely saw why they liked him at the time. He just didn't work out for one reason or another. What are you gonna do? Shit happens and some draft picks don't wind up working out. I've moved on...But because Lampe didn't work out, that somehow automatically means Mo N'Dour won't pan out either? Is that what you're saying?? Come on, Fish. You're arguing just to argue here, bud.. I consider N'Dour's talent level & potential much higher than Lou Amundson's. Not even close...You don't?? I mean what are we talking about here?!? lol
All boils down to who Phil takes with that final spot and obviously that hasn't happened yet. Could giving Amundson a fully guaranteed 1-yr contract be a possible indicator of how it might go? Yes, it could be. We'll have to see.
YOU consider Lou's intangibles to be incredibly minor, yet for all his lack of skill he continues to play in the NBA year after year. So while YOUR opinion is that he's terrible and should be replaced with a prospect, the REALITY is he gets a job, somehow someway every year. There is value there, you just choose to ignore it or you don't accept it.
I don't have an opinion on NDour and his production vs. what Lou brings because I have never seen NDour play in the NBA. Lampe was a great summer league player who totally fizzled once the big leagues started. That is the relevance.
You think we don't need this guy. Phil Jackson thinks we need this guy. Maybe you are right, but before I come to sweeping conclusions I am going to wait and see how it plays out. The amount of energy you are pouring into the 15th guy is a clear indicator you have something emotionally vested in this. I just don't know what to tell you... you don't have inside knowledge of what Phil is trying to accomplish and you don't care. That's you. I choose to wait and see. If Phil think Lou is an important locker room presence or practice player or he's familiar with the coach that is enough for me. I have played on enough teams to understand the importance of those things.
What good is Randle doing sitting on the bench? Let him go get minutes in the Dleague and play. If we need him we can call him up. Or Baker. Or both. If your justification for this being a terrible move is you are afraid for one game that we will have to play Sasha at PG for ONE GAME well I just don't buy that. Especially not a league where stars sit... for "rest."
there is NO reason these young undrafted PGs cant follow the same path Langston Galloway took.
fishmike wrote:I have no problem with Sasha being the 3rd PG for one game or one half of a game until Randle or Baker or whoever gets called up from the D league.YOU consider Lou's intangibles to be incredibly minor, yet for all his lack of skill he continues to play in the NBA year after year. So while YOUR opinion is that he's terrible and should be replaced with a prospect, the REALITY is he gets a job, somehow someway every year. There is value there, you just choose to ignore it or you don't accept it.
I don't have an opinion on NDour and his production vs. what Lou brings because I have never seen NDour play in the NBA. Lampe was a great summer league player who totally fizzled once the big leagues started. That is the relevance.
You think we don't need this guy. Phil Jackson thinks we need this guy. Maybe you are right, but before I come to sweeping conclusions I am going to wait and see how it plays out. The amount of energy you are pouring into the 15th guy is a clear indicator you have something emotionally vested in this. I just don't know what to tell you... you don't have inside knowledge of what Phil is trying to accomplish and you don't care. That's you. I choose to wait and see. If Phil think Lou is an important locker room presence or practice player or he's familiar with the coach that is enough for me. I have played on enough teams to understand the importance of those things.
What good is Randle doing sitting on the bench? Let him go get minutes in the Dleague and play. If we need him we can call him up. Or Baker. Or both. If your justification for this being a terrible move is you are afraid for one game that we will have to play Sasha at PG for ONE GAME well I just don't buy that. Especially not a league where stars sit... for "rest."
there is NO reason these young undrafted PGs cant follow the same path Langston Galloway took.
Phil has proven that he's got a good handle on this kind of thing. He's kept a roster spot open each year to allow for bringing in another player. Young guys have come up from the D League. I think that they have a good handle on how they want to develop players. I'm not panicking after seeing how Phil and his staff have been trying to make use of the D League and the Roster spots.
Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek said the Knicks wouldn't hesitate to cut a player who has a guaranteed contract if the situation calls for it, according to Ian Begley of ESPN.Begley noted that the Knicks have 15 players on guaranteed deals, meaning one player would have to be cut if the team wanted to keep a player on a partially-guaranteed deal.
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Derrick Rose and Brandon Jennings are about as strong of a one-two punch at point guard as there is in the league, but the Knicks can't win on talent alone. Chemistry and stamina will come into play as well.
Obviously the aforementioned pair has had their fair share of injuries in recent seasons. New York can hope for the best, but some added depth wouldn't hurt. As camp continues, it should be considered a crucial need.
Hornacek suggesting the Knicks aren't afraid to shed a guaranteed contract confirms he's well aware (and in agreement) of this void at the one. The team's final roster spot should be up for grabs. With that in mind, Ron Baker and Chasson Randle are coming for it. It's either young gun's spot to win. Depending on how things shake out as camp progresses, it should be Marshall Plumlee or Maurice Ndour's to lose.
Each of the above big men may boast more intrigue and arguably even pure talent than a guy like Lou Amundson. However, Amundson's veteran contract costs more to let go, and the team appears to value veteran leadership and continuity on this roster. His tenure and seniority provides him with an advantage.
As far as Baker and Randle are concerned, Randle is more of a pure point guard. Similarly to Rose and Jennings, he ikes to penetrate, which can open things up for those around him on the floor. Potentially subbing him in, if need be, would allow the Knicks to execute the same style of play. It'd be nice to see him play well in camp and the preseason and really make a run at this final spot.
A higher level of competition this time of year is very healthy, because it makes guys hungrier. Randle would obviously fit a more pressing need. Knowing that in itself could light the fire under guys like Plumlee and Ndour and force them to show everyone what they're made of. No one toward the end of the roster is safe, but that's how it should be.
bye lou,
knicks1248 wrote:Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek said the Knicks wouldn't hesitate to cut a player who has a guaranteed contract if the situation calls for it, according to Ian Begley of ESPN.Begley noted that the Knicks have 15 players on guaranteed deals, meaning one player would have to be cut if the team wanted to keep a player on a partially-guaranteed deal.
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Derrick Rose and Brandon Jennings are about as strong of a one-two punch at point guard as there is in the league, but the Knicks can't win on talent alone. Chemistry and stamina will come into play as well.
Obviously the aforementioned pair has had their fair share of injuries in recent seasons. New York can hope for the best, but some added depth wouldn't hurt. As camp continues, it should be considered a crucial need.
Hornacek suggesting the Knicks aren't afraid to shed a guaranteed contract confirms he's well aware (and in agreement) of this void at the one. The team's final roster spot should be up for grabs. With that in mind, Ron Baker and Chasson Randle are coming for it. It's either young gun's spot to win. Depending on how things shake out as camp progresses, it should be Marshall Plumlee or Maurice Ndour's to lose.
Each of the above big men may boast more intrigue and arguably even pure talent than a guy like Lou Amundson. However, Amundson's veteran contract costs more to let go, and the team appears to value veteran leadership and continuity on this roster. His tenure and seniority provides him with an advantage.
As far as Baker and Randle are concerned, Randle is more of a pure point guard. Similarly to Rose and Jennings, he ikes to penetrate, which can open things up for those around him on the floor. Potentially subbing him in, if need be, would allow the Knicks to execute the same style of play. It'd be nice to see him play well in camp and the preseason and really make a run at this final spot.
A higher level of competition this time of year is very healthy, because it makes guys hungrier. Randle would obviously fit a more pressing need. Knowing that in itself could light the fire under guys like Plumlee and Ndour and force them to show everyone what they're made of. No one toward the end of the roster is safe, but that's how it should be.
bye lou,
There was never any reason to panic about Lou getting guaranteed money. This roster will follow the needs of Hornacek. If he tells Phil he needs more guards then that's what they'll do. We made that mistake last year carrying extra bigs. I don't see that happening again.
knicks1248 wrote:Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek said the Knicks wouldn't hesitate to cut a player who has a guaranteed contract if the situation calls for it, according to Ian Begley of ESPN.Begley noted that the Knicks have 15 players on guaranteed deals, meaning one player would have to be cut if the team wanted to keep a player on a partially-guaranteed deal.
Keith Schlosser, SNY.TV Twitter | Archive
Derrick Rose and Brandon Jennings are about as strong of a one-two punch at point guard as there is in the league, but the Knicks can't win on talent alone. Chemistry and stamina will come into play as well.
Obviously the aforementioned pair has had their fair share of injuries in recent seasons. New York can hope for the best, but some added depth wouldn't hurt. As camp continues, it should be considered a crucial need.
Hornacek suggesting the Knicks aren't afraid to shed a guaranteed contract confirms he's well aware (and in agreement) of this void at the one. The team's final roster spot should be up for grabs. With that in mind, Ron Baker and Chasson Randle are coming for it. It's either young gun's spot to win. Depending on how things shake out as camp progresses, it should be Marshall Plumlee or Maurice Ndour's to lose.
Each of the above big men may boast more intrigue and arguably even pure talent than a guy like Lou Amundson. However, Amundson's veteran contract costs more to let go, and the team appears to value veteran leadership and continuity on this roster. His tenure and seniority provides him with an advantage.
As far as Baker and Randle are concerned, Randle is more of a pure point guard. Similarly to Rose and Jennings, he ikes to penetrate, which can open things up for those around him on the floor. Potentially subbing him in, if need be, would allow the Knicks to execute the same style of play. It'd be nice to see him play well in camp and the preseason and really make a run at this final spot.
A higher level of competition this time of year is very healthy, because it makes guys hungrier. Randle would obviously fit a more pressing need. Knowing that in itself could light the fire under guys like Plumlee and Ndour and force them to show everyone what they're made of. No one toward the end of the roster is safe, but that's how it should be.
bye lou,
Yup, bye Lou. Would rather keep N'Dour, Randle. Maybe Phil finds more frontcourt help as the season progresses.
GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek said the Knicks wouldn't hesitate to cut a player who has a guaranteed contract if the situation calls for it, according to Ian Begley of ESPN.Begley noted that the Knicks have 15 players on guaranteed deals, meaning one player would have to be cut if the team wanted to keep a player on a partially-guaranteed deal.
Keith Schlosser, SNY.TV Twitter | Archive
Derrick Rose and Brandon Jennings are about as strong of a one-two punch at point guard as there is in the league, but the Knicks can't win on talent alone. Chemistry and stamina will come into play as well.
Obviously the aforementioned pair has had their fair share of injuries in recent seasons. New York can hope for the best, but some added depth wouldn't hurt. As camp continues, it should be considered a crucial need.
Hornacek suggesting the Knicks aren't afraid to shed a guaranteed contract confirms he's well aware (and in agreement) of this void at the one. The team's final roster spot should be up for grabs. With that in mind, Ron Baker and Chasson Randle are coming for it. It's either young gun's spot to win. Depending on how things shake out as camp progresses, it should be Marshall Plumlee or Maurice Ndour's to lose.
Each of the above big men may boast more intrigue and arguably even pure talent than a guy like Lou Amundson. However, Amundson's veteran contract costs more to let go, and the team appears to value veteran leadership and continuity on this roster. His tenure and seniority provides him with an advantage.
As far as Baker and Randle are concerned, Randle is more of a pure point guard. Similarly to Rose and Jennings, he ikes to penetrate, which can open things up for those around him on the floor. Potentially subbing him in, if need be, would allow the Knicks to execute the same style of play. It'd be nice to see him play well in camp and the preseason and really make a run at this final spot.
A higher level of competition this time of year is very healthy, because it makes guys hungrier. Randle would obviously fit a more pressing need. Knowing that in itself could light the fire under guys like Plumlee and Ndour and force them to show everyone what they're made of. No one toward the end of the roster is safe, but that's how it should be.
bye lou,Yup, bye Lou. Would rather keep N'Dour, Randle. Maybe Phil finds more frontcourt help as the season progresses.
Definitely. Those are the two I want as well: N'Dour and Randle. I've always considered N'Dour a keeper regardless, even if he played poorly in training camp/preseason for whatever reason (nice to see that isn't the case so far -- looks like he's showing well and Hornacek likes him. Plus, we already know Phil, Gaines and co. like him a lot too: http://dailyknicks.com/2016/10/01/new-yo...). Absolutely LOVE that dude's energy and effectiveness/potential on both ends. There's been talk about Cheese playing some SG at times in certain matchups -- I actually think N'Dour might be even more capable to slide over to that position. I like Kuz a lot but it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see N'Dour quickly develop into the better player and get the most minutes out of those two...And yeah, Randle should be the 15th man, just on necessity alone (obvious need for more PG depth). I would love to keep this kid Baker too somehow. Signing Vujacic hurt his chances.. Maybe they have a strategy with Plumlee--they already paid him handsomely, surprising considering he went undrafted and isn't the most skilled big man around. But with the money issue out of the way, maybe he'd agree to go to Westchester full-time for the time being, which could then leave a spot open on the 15-man for Baker. Maybe that's the plan.