Celts beat GS after recently beating cavs
They're making my frequent criticisms of their composition look stupid
I still think they'll be a playoff flop but based on my track record I'm probably wrong again
They're winning on smarts and toughness and hunger
Chandler wrote:Celts beat GS after recently beating cavs They're making my frequent criticisms of their composition look stupid
I still think they'll be a playoff flop but based on my track record I'm probably wrong again
They're winning on smarts and toughness and hunger
Don't forget they're adding two top three picks to what they already have in the 2017 and 2018 drafts.
crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:Celts beat GS after recently
beating cavs They're making my frequent criticisms of their composition look stupid
I still think they'll be a playoff flop but based on my track record I'm probably wrong again
They're winning on smarts and toughness and hunger
Don't forget they're adding two top three picks to what they already have in the 2017 and 2018 drafts.
Thanks for reminding me and ruining my day
crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:Celts beat GS after recently beating cavs They're making my frequent criticisms of their composition look stupid
I still think they'll be a playoff flop but based on my track record I'm probably wrong again
They're winning on smarts and toughness and hunger
Don't forget they're adding two top three picks to what they already have in the 2017 and 2018 drafts.
I think the celtics will struggle in the playoffs- in the regular season they have so many possible lineup combinations, they are a hard team to prep for defensively (see their regular changes of starters and bench players) and so have the element of surprise. They won't have that in the playoffs.
I do hope they fall in this years draft to 4th
CrushAlot wrote:
If he gets back to what he was cavs just got a steal. I don't think all teams would be a good match for him, but I think Bron's intensity and leadership may help.
I'm sure there are other factors involved, but for what it is worth, if Minny beats Washington tonight, they will be 9-7 since Zach Lavine left the lineup.
WaltLongmire wrote:I'm sure there are other factors involved, but for what it is worth, if Minny beats Washington tonight, they will be 9-7 since Zach Lavine left the lineup.
It looks like it is over. Rubio 22 and 19.
CrushAlot wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I'm sure there are other factors involved, but for what it is worth, if Minny beats Washington tonight, they will be 9-7 since Zach Lavine left the lineup.
It looks like it is over. Rubio 22 and 19.
Last 5 games for him...about 17.5 PPG...12.5 APG...5.5 RPG...2 SPG and shooting % is way up...
WaltLongmire wrote:CrushAlot wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I'm sure there are other factors involved, but for what it is worth, if Minny beats Washington tonight, they will be 9-7 since Zach Lavine left the lineup.
It looks like it is over. Rubio 22 and 19.
Last 5 games for him...about 17.5 PPG...12.5 APG...5.5 RPG...2 SPG and shooting % is way up...
Rubio for Rose would'be been a steal. Sigh. Not even blaming Phil here, just wish it had happened while Rubio's stock was down.
Parsons now out again wth a meniscus tear- I laugh at those who say Noah is the worst contract in the league! Parsons has been AWFUL all year- he's a con many who has charmed his way to wealth.
crzymdups wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:CrushAlot wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I'm sure there are other factors involved, but for what it is worth, if Minny beats Washington tonight, they will be 9-7 since Zach Lavine left the lineup.
It looks like it is over. Rubio 22 and 19.
Last 5 games for him...about 17.5 PPG...12.5 APG...5.5 RPG...2 SPG and shooting % is way up...
Rubio for Rose would'be been a steal. Sigh. Not even blaming Phil here, just wish it had happened while Rubio's stock was down.
Here's the great thing about the Rubio for Rose swap.... it can still happen if the Knicks want AND NY will be in the drivers seat on that trade. Knicks will have the ability to sign and trade Rose; Minny (most likely) will NOT have the ability sign Rose outright AND if they didn't want to deal with the Knicks they would have to get rid of Rubio first.
CrushAlot wrote:
Don't think I remember a season where teams have shut down healthy players before at end of year... Or am I getting forgetful?
martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
Don't think I remember a season where teams have shut down healthy players before at end of year... Or am I getting forgetful?
I can't remember one either. The Lakers give up their pick if it falls out of the top 3.
martin wrote:crzymdups wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:CrushAlot wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:I'm sure there are other factors involved, but for what it is worth, if Minny beats Washington tonight, they will be 9-7 since Zach Lavine left the lineup.
It looks like it is over. Rubio 22 and 19.
Last 5 games for him...about 17.5 PPG...12.5 APG...5.5 RPG...2 SPG and shooting % is way up...
Rubio for Rose would'be been a steal. Sigh. Not even blaming Phil here, just wish it had happened while Rubio's stock was down.
Here's the great thing about the Rubio for Rose swap.... it can still happen if the Knicks want AND NY will be in the drivers seat on that trade. Knicks will have the ability to sign and trade Rose; Minny (most likely) will NOT have the ability sign Rose outright AND if they didn't want to deal with the Knicks they would have to get rid of Rubio first.
Didn't the last CBA put a stop to sign and trades?
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
Don't think I remember a season where teams have shut down healthy players before at end of year... Or am I getting forgetful?
I can't remember one either. The Lakers give up their pick if it falls out of the top 3.
Haven't the suns also shut down Knight and Tyson?
Lakers are screwed- I can understand signing one veteran, but mosgov AND Deng for that money was madness
smackeddog wrote:Didn't the last CBA put a stop to sign and trades?
To my best understanding, sign and trades did not disappear, but they shifted into being so operationally limited, that they are pretty much useless to teams that would want/need to use them.
You can't sign and trade to go over the cap.
The Jason Kidd to Dallas trade shifted a lot of things in the league. The Mavs signed Keith Van Horn to a phantom contract to make the money work. He was essentially paid to be a salary filler since he never formally filed his retirement papers ( my guess is as a favor to Mark Cuban, who has open friendships with many players, esp his players) The league even shifted it's Over 36 Rule into an Over 38 Rule, to keep closing off loopholes to allow one team to stack talent, even if they are ok the cash penalties with a soft cap situation.
The reason sign and trades didn't disappear completely is they form a type of compensation system. I.E. in MLB, if the Yankees sign free agent X to a big contract, they have to forfeit their top draft pick for him. ( this is a pretty simplified take, it's obviously more complex in MLB than this) The NFL also has a compensation system for lost free agents. The NBA doesn't really have a system other than sign and trades. In order to give Bosh and LBJ max money, they didn't sign technically as free agents with the Heat, they ended up in sign and trades. While that must have tasted like crap to the Raptors and Cavs, it was better than getting nothing at all.
I think folks here are far far far overestimating Rose possible off season trade value. Given where he stands now, to go to a team who might actually win, he might have to take a "prove it" type deal. Which would vest him onto a new franchise , etc, etc so they can sign him to a longer deal after that first year.
Rose is gone, he was a bad trade, the Knicks aren't getting anything for him, once he leaves, he's addition by subtraction.
