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Byron Scott says Phil Jackson should either stop coaching Knicks or fire Jeff Hornacek
AUBURN HILLS — Jeff Hornacek has smiled off Phil Jackson's tendency to coach his players, giving some variation of the following line that makes sense on the surface — Why not utilize the mind of an 11-time champion?
But according to one former coach, Jackson is undermining Hornacek and should sooner fire him than continue to send out potentially conflicting messages.
"If I was Jeff, I would be a little disappointed in Phil coming down and being in coaches meetings," Byron Scott, who was fired as coach of the Lakers after last season, said on ESPN. "Not if you in there every once in a while, that's fine. On the court advising players and things like that (I'd be disappointed). Because you might have told a player one thing and now Phil goes over there and tells him something completely different.
"You hired him to be your coach, let him be your coach. Kind of stay out a little bit. If you want to coach, fire him and take over like you did Derek Fisher. It's really that simple. I think right now if I was Jeff, I would feel a little uncomfortable. I would feel some flames underneath my feet."
Knicks coach hints Phil wants team to be patient with triangle
Following Monday's practice, Jackson pulled aside starting guard Courtney Lee and gave him lessons in the triangle offense with a whiteboard. Lee said he welcomed the tutorial from the person he called "the Godfather of the Triangle."
Hornacek added that Jackson has participated in coaches meetings, which was something Derek Fisher resisted. It contributed to Fisher's firing in February, when Jackson brought in the triangle-inclined Kurt Rambis to serve as interim.
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Hornacek seemed annoyed with the subject before Tuesday's game against the Pistons.
"(Jackson's) just kind of reiterating things that we've talked about with guys about. Guys like listening to what he has to say," Hornacek said. "When he sees things and wants to talk to the guys, we let him. He calls us and wants us to look at things, we'll do that. We throw things by him and ask him questions. That's how it works."
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Detroit's Stan Van Gundy, who was part of a similar situation when coach of Miami, said Heat president Pat Riley "never" coached his players.
"He would talk to players obviously as anybody in that role will, regardless of who it is. But no, he never went out on the court and worked with players," Van Gundy said.
Of course, Riley eventually fired Van Gundy and coached the Heat himself — which is what Scott suggested of Jackson. But the 71-year-old Zen Master has made it clear he is no longer physically capable of coaching.
GustavBahler wrote:Would rather Phil let Hornacek have carte blanche to run the offense he wants. Wouldn't mind him helping Jeff come up with a coherent defense. They look lost too often, not sure of their assignments. Would love to see Hornacek be able to call the shots, but still have Phil at meetings and practice, for advice, suggestions.
We need a defensive coordinator. How on earth do we not have one?
meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Would rather Phil let Hornacek have carte blanche to run the offense he wants. Wouldn't mind him helping Jeff come up with a coherent defense. They look lost too often, not sure of their assignments. Would love to see Hornacek be able to call the shots, but still have Phil at meetings and practice, for advice, suggestions.We need a defensive coordinator. How on earth do we not have one?
Rambis..
holfresh wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Would rather Phil let Hornacek have carte blanche to run the offense he wants. Wouldn't mind him helping Jeff come up with a coherent defense. They look lost too often, not sure of their assignments. Would love to see Hornacek be able to call the shots, but still have Phil at meetings and practice, for advice, suggestions.We need a defensive coordinator. How on earth do we not have one?
Rambis..
Same question
I saw one instance where jennings scream and waive for a willy to give him a pick, like Jesus lets just run a simple high percentage play.
phil with this part time coaching sht is bull sht, either pick up your whistle and chalk board full time or GTFOH and let JH do his job his way...
What the Hell is wrong with him...
knicks1248 wrote:You could see the players getting frustrated just like last season. play good for spurts then resort to iso's because they can't figure out the system.I saw one instance where jennings scream and waive for a willy to give him a pick, like Jesus lets just run a simple high percentage play.
phil with this part time coaching sht is bull sht, either pick up your whistle and chalk board full time or GTFOH and let JH do his job his way...
What the Hell is wrong with him...
Couldn't have said it better. The fast pace is perfect for the Knicks with the speed we have in Rose, Jennings, Kristaps and Lee. This outdated, slow, ineffectiveness will be the death of us. Look at the Memphis game, hardly any triangle and we killed it, first quarter especially. So stop this all right now Phil, if you want to run the triangle take it elsewhere. This team does NOT need you lurking round meddling in Hornaceck's vision undoing his hard work. Time to get more touches to Porzingis as well, perhaps through more pick and roll/ pick and pop with Rose and Jennings. Let's evolve Ny, jeez
Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
fishmike wrote:same article came out the other day about Phil helping during a practice and the coach and several players gushing about the synergy.Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
I somewhat agree... but did you see the interview with Hornacek where they asked him about this? He's already annoyed at the question. We all know NY is a tough media market - this perception is not gonna help Hornacek. It's early, but this is something I could see turning into a problem. And is Rambis saying what Hornacek is saying? Or is he telling players to listen to Phil? Again, it's early, but I could see it becoming an issue.
And really, they scored 111pts against Memphis. The offense wasn't the issue - it was the defense. Phil pulls Courtney Lee aside after he goes 6-11 for 16pts... next game after his private session with Phil, Lee goes 3-7 with 7pts and doesn't hit a shot after the first five minutes of the game. Did Phil help him? Maybe the benefits show up down the road. But watching the Memphis game, the team's offense didn't seem to be the issue. The defense did. Phil comes in to tinker with the offense and the Knicks go scoreless the last six minutes of a winnable game against Detroit, still have the same defensive issues. Just doesn't look good. And this isn't just going off one incident - we know Phil has stepped in before when he hasn't felt the Triangle was being run correctly. See Derek Fisher.
Nalod wrote:Byron scott just meddling.
Yup. Guy is an idiot.
fishmike wrote:same article came out the other day about Phil helping during a practice and the coach and several players gushing about the synergy.Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
but wasn't this the case the last 2 seasons. we don't need Byron scott to tell us nothing, there has been plenty of footage showing phil on the court in practice
knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:same article came out the other day about Phil helping during a practice and the coach and several players gushing about the synergy.Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
but wasn't this the case the last 2 seasons. we don't need Byron scott to tell us nothing, there has been plenty of footage showing phil on the court in practice
If Jeff had full control would you still want Phil to stay away from practices? I just want Phil's role to change from co-architect of the offense to strictly a mentor. Would be a shame to waste such a valuable resource.
Players were saying when they got here that they hoped that Phil would be around like he is now. I believe its great from a learning standpoint, and from a recruiting standpoint, but as a mentor. Its clear IMO that part of Phil misses coaching. Scott is right that he should make a choice for the sake of the team, but I dont want him out of the picture by any means.
NYKBocker wrote:Nalod wrote:Byron scott just meddling.Yup. Guy is an idiot.
great player, shitty coach
crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:same article came out the other day about Phil helping during a practice and the coach and several players gushing about the synergy.Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
I somewhat agree... but did you see the interview with Hornacek where they asked him about this? He's already annoyed at the question. We all know NY is a tough media market - this perception is not gonna help Hornacek. It's early, but this is something I could see turning into a problem. And is Rambis saying what Hornacek is saying? Or is he telling players to listen to Phil? Again, it's early, but I could see it becoming an issue.
And really, they scored 111pts against Memphis. The offense wasn't the issue - it was the defense. Phil pulls Courtney Lee aside after he goes 6-11 for 16pts... next game after his private session with Phil, Lee goes 3-7 with 7pts and doesn't hit a shot after the first five minutes of the game. Did Phil help him? Maybe the benefits show up down the road. But watching the Memphis game, the team's offense didn't seem to be the issue. The defense did. Phil comes in to tinker with the offense and the Knicks go scoreless the last six minutes of a winnable game against Detroit, still have the same defensive issues. Just doesn't look good. And this isn't just going off one incident - we know Phil has stepped in before when he hasn't felt the Triangle was being run correctly. See Derek Fisher.
I think there's something to this as well. Look at what Byron said--all stuff we've know already. And it's all stuff that makes perfect sense to me. What about what he said doesn't make sense?? Back way off, Phil, and let Horn run the team the way he sees fit. Any meddling could cost us games--it could be costing us games already for all we know. I don't even think Rambis should have been retained. What the hell's his function on this team anyway? That could've been one more spot for Jeff to bring in a coach of his choice. All I wanna see Phil do is go to Jeff periodically and say, "what do you think we need? Steve and I will try to find it for you." That's it.
crzymdups wrote:I think that is too granular a look at Phil's impact, positive or negative. Of course JH is annoyed. Ask about the team or basketball and he's happy and chatty. Ask him about Phil where he KNOWS the wrong snippet is back page material and he's forced to no longer be a coach and instead a politician where he's got to check every word he says for context, tone, and printability and you know what? He's going to be annoyed.fishmike wrote:same article came out the other day about Phil helping during a practice and the coach and several players gushing about the synergy.Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
I somewhat agree... but did you see the interview with Hornacek where they asked him about this? He's already annoyed at the question. We all know NY is a tough media market - this perception is not gonna help Hornacek. It's early, but this is something I could see turning into a problem. And is Rambis saying what Hornacek is saying? Or is he telling players to listen to Phil? Again, it's early, but I could see it becoming an issue.
And really, they scored 111pts against Memphis. The offense wasn't the issue - it was the defense. Phil pulls Courtney Lee aside after he goes 6-11 for 16pts... next game after his private session with Phil, Lee goes 3-7 with 7pts and doesn't hit a shot after the first five minutes of the game. Did Phil help him? Maybe the benefits show up down the road. But watching the Memphis game, the team's offense didn't seem to be the issue. The defense did. Phil comes in to tinker with the offense and the Knicks go scoreless the last six minutes of a winnable game against Detroit, still have the same defensive issues. Just doesn't look good. And this isn't just going off one incident - we know Phil has stepped in before when he hasn't felt the Triangle was being run correctly. See Derek Fisher.
Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:same article came out the other day about Phil helping during a practice and the coach and several players gushing about the synergy.Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
I somewhat agree... but did you see the interview with Hornacek where they asked him about this? He's already annoyed at the question. We all know NY is a tough media market - this perception is not gonna help Hornacek. It's early, but this is something I could see turning into a problem. And is Rambis saying what Hornacek is saying? Or is he telling players to listen to Phil? Again, it's early, but I could see it becoming an issue.
And really, they scored 111pts against Memphis. The offense wasn't the issue - it was the defense. Phil pulls Courtney Lee aside after he goes 6-11 for 16pts... next game after his private session with Phil, Lee goes 3-7 with 7pts and doesn't hit a shot after the first five minutes of the game. Did Phil help him? Maybe the benefits show up down the road. But watching the Memphis game, the team's offense didn't seem to be the issue. The defense did. Phil comes in to tinker with the offense and the Knicks go scoreless the last six minutes of a winnable game against Detroit, still have the same defensive issues. Just doesn't look good. And this isn't just going off one incident - we know Phil has stepped in before when he hasn't felt the Triangle was being run correctly. See Derek Fisher.
Agreed. I think there's something to this as well. Back way off, Phil, and let Horn run the team the way he sees fit. Any meddling could cost us games--it could be costing us games already for all we know. All I wanna see Phil do is go to Jeff eventually and say, "what do you think we need? Steve and I will try to find it for you." That's it.
How do you know he didnt? How do you know Phil didnt offer and JH said sure! great!
fishmike wrote:Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:same article came out the other day about Phil helping during a practice and the coach and several players gushing about the synergy.Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
I somewhat agree... but did you see the interview with Hornacek where they asked him about this? He's already annoyed at the question. We all know NY is a tough media market - this perception is not gonna help Hornacek. It's early, but this is something I could see turning into a problem. And is Rambis saying what Hornacek is saying? Or is he telling players to listen to Phil? Again, it's early, but I could see it becoming an issue.
And really, they scored 111pts against Memphis. The offense wasn't the issue - it was the defense. Phil pulls Courtney Lee aside after he goes 6-11 for 16pts... next game after his private session with Phil, Lee goes 3-7 with 7pts and doesn't hit a shot after the first five minutes of the game. Did Phil help him? Maybe the benefits show up down the road. But watching the Memphis game, the team's offense didn't seem to be the issue. The defense did. Phil comes in to tinker with the offense and the Knicks go scoreless the last six minutes of a winnable game against Detroit, still have the same defensive issues. Just doesn't look good. And this isn't just going off one incident - we know Phil has stepped in before when he hasn't felt the Triangle was being run correctly. See Derek Fisher.
Agreed. I think there's something to this as well. Back way off, Phil, and let Horn run the team the way he sees fit. Any meddling could cost us games--it could be costing us games already for all we know. All I wanna see Phil do is go to Jeff eventually and say, "what do you think we need? Steve and I will try to find it for you." That's it.
How do you know he didnt? How do you know Phil didnt offer and JH said sure! great!
Offer what? To tweak the personnel? Because it's too early for that. That's why I said "eventually." Right now he should be doing nothing. Leave Jeff alone. Come on, man -- attending coaching meetings and practices and getting on the court "coaching" guys?? I didn't even know that was going on until I read about it yesterday. Can't say it surprised me though...That's crazy and crossing the line. You hired Jeff to do a job--let the man do his job!! Put yourself in Jeff's shoes -- how would you feel about this? I completely understand what Byron Scott's saying. Makes perfect sense to me.
And to go a step further -- I'd like to see all triangle stuff thrown out the friggin' window. The players don't like it, they're struggling with it and most of them aren't prototypical 'triangle' personnel anyway. Why force it on them in a 'well, Jeff's not teaching it right/enough, so I gotta go down there and teach it myself' type of way?? That's dead wrong imho. Think about that, how insane that is... Come on--getting in Courtney Lee's ear and telling him what exactly?? If Phil's offering anything other than encouragement/telling him to stay aggressive, he's nuts. Jeff's a good mind and capable--he was a good hire. He was a very good offensive player for years and showed he has an understanding of how to get a lot out of a team offensively as a head coach in PHX. Let him implement his own strategies and learn from his own mistakes with this group (for example--he should've hooked LT and went back to Porzingis much earlier in that 4th qt. last night -- that was a mistake but it's OK--I'll give him that one. He's still learning his personnel. Obviously D was an issue in the first half and KP didn't play particularly well in that 1st half on both ends. But what he probably now realizes is KP's capable of turning it around quickly. He'll get it and I think be better for it now). Also, all Phil's doing by meddling is setting himself up for criticism. Why even go through that?? Dude comes off as some kind of control freak that's pushing a system nobody's interested in coaching or playing.
I know defense has been an issue but to me this is primarily an offensive team--a good offensive team, one that could be a very good offensive team, with some good defensive players. The offense needs to be worked out and running like a top for this team to be successful imo. I'd like to see a team that scores the ball at will or at least gets good shots at will, that can also play enough defense throughout a game. Fix the offense first, though. Just my 2 cents. That's the most glaring problem--to have all these good offensive players like we do yet have trouble running a coherent offense and scoring the ball. That simply can't happen with this group. Look at last night down the stretch -- the defense turned it around (D's basically all effort anyway--they gave better defensive effort in the 2nd half) but the offense continued to sputter because guys were completely out of whack on that end down the stretch. They simply can't look this bad offensively, not with the offensive players they have and a coach that knows something about modern offense. Come on man -- Carmelo Anthony, D-Rose, Porzingis, Courtney Lee with Jeff Hornacek as head coach and you score 10 points in the 4th quarter?!? WTF?? Something's wrong offensively. Could it be Phil meddling? Perhaps.. Other people closer to the situation and a lot more qualified than me seem to think so (Derrick Rose's comments about the triangle immediately after game 1--we're talking GAME F-in' 1 here and Rose even missed some time!!!--, Byron Scott, Marc Berman, Frank Isola, etc.. I know a lot of you don't like some of these guys but are they all dead wrong or could there be something to it??
fishmike wrote:Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:same article came out the other day about Phil helping during a practice and the coach and several players gushing about the synergy.Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
I somewhat agree... but did you see the interview with Hornacek where they asked him about this? He's already annoyed at the question. We all know NY is a tough media market - this perception is not gonna help Hornacek. It's early, but this is something I could see turning into a problem. And is Rambis saying what Hornacek is saying? Or is he telling players to listen to Phil? Again, it's early, but I could see it becoming an issue.
And really, they scored 111pts against Memphis. The offense wasn't the issue - it was the defense. Phil pulls Courtney Lee aside after he goes 6-11 for 16pts... next game after his private session with Phil, Lee goes 3-7 with 7pts and doesn't hit a shot after the first five minutes of the game. Did Phil help him? Maybe the benefits show up down the road. But watching the Memphis game, the team's offense didn't seem to be the issue. The defense did. Phil comes in to tinker with the offense and the Knicks go scoreless the last six minutes of a winnable game against Detroit, still have the same defensive issues. Just doesn't look good. And this isn't just going off one incident - we know Phil has stepped in before when he hasn't felt the Triangle was being run correctly. See Derek Fisher.
Agreed. I think there's something to this as well. Back way off, Phil, and let Horn run the team the way he sees fit. Any meddling could cost us games--it could be costing us games already for all we know. All I wanna see Phil do is go to Jeff eventually and say, "what do you think we need? Steve and I will try to find it for you." That's it.
How do you know he didnt? How do you know Phil didnt offer and JH said sure! great!
Yeah, we don't know - it's all speculation. But I think it's fair to say the offense looked worse directly after Phil's input. Courtney Lee looked a lot worse after a one on one.
With the history here of Phil firing Fisher at least in part because Fisher wasn't open to Phil visiting practices (Phil said as much), this is definitely fair to raise as an issue.
As anyone who has coached or managed a team can tell you - multiple voices in the room can get tricky.
We don't know how it'll shake out, obviously. At this point I'm just wondering if it will be an issue. The phrase "coaching from the tenth row" has been following Phil around his entire tenure with the Knicks and given the overall record, I think it is fair to question how well that is working.
To me it is one thing to do that with a team of young guys you're trying to mould. But with a team of veterans that is clearly meant to be something of a win-now team, at least for this season, I question if that is the productive way to develop the team chemistry. Time and the win-loss column will eventually tell. It is clear we have a talented group here - probably the most talent since 2012-3... the question is what is the best way forward with this win-now group?
crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:same article came out the other day about Phil helping during a practice and the coach and several players gushing about the synergy.Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
I somewhat agree... but did you see the interview with Hornacek where they asked him about this? He's already annoyed at the question. We all know NY is a tough media market - this perception is not gonna help Hornacek. It's early, but this is something I could see turning into a problem. And is Rambis saying what Hornacek is saying? Or is he telling players to listen to Phil? Again, it's early, but I could see it becoming an issue.
And really, they scored 111pts against Memphis. The offense wasn't the issue - it was the defense. Phil pulls Courtney Lee aside after he goes 6-11 for 16pts... next game after his private session with Phil, Lee goes 3-7 with 7pts and doesn't hit a shot after the first five minutes of the game. Did Phil help him? Maybe the benefits show up down the road. But watching the Memphis game, the team's offense didn't seem to be the issue. The defense did. Phil comes in to tinker with the offense and the Knicks go scoreless the last six minutes of a winnable game against Detroit, still have the same defensive issues. Just doesn't look good. And this isn't just going off one incident - we know Phil has stepped in before when he hasn't felt the Triangle was being run correctly. See Derek Fisher.
Agreed. I think there's something to this as well. Back way off, Phil, and let Horn run the team the way he sees fit. Any meddling could cost us games--it could be costing us games already for all we know. All I wanna see Phil do is go to Jeff eventually and say, "what do you think we need? Steve and I will try to find it for you." That's it.
How do you know he didnt? How do you know Phil didnt offer and JH said sure! great!Yeah, we don't know - it's all speculation. But I think it's fair to say the offense looked worse directly after Phil's input. Courtney Lee looked a lot worse after a one on one.
With the history here of Phil firing Fisher at least in part because Fisher wasn't open to Phil visiting practices (Phil said as much), this is definitely fair to raise as an issue.
As anyone who has coached or managed a team can tell you - multiple voices in the room can get tricky.
We don't know how it'll shake out, obviously. At this point I'm just wondering if it will be an issue. The phrase "coaching from the tenth row" has been following Phil around his entire tenure with the Knicks and given the overall record, I think it is fair to question how well that is working.
To me it is one thing to do that with a team of young guys you're trying to mould. But with a team of veterans that is clearly meant to be something of a win-now team, at least for this season, I question if that is the productive way to develop the team chemistry. Time and the win-loss column will eventually tell. It is clear we have a talented group here - probably the most talent since 2012-3... the question is what is the best way forward with this win-now group?
Good, fair analysis. Man, the thought of Phil meddling with Jeff to this degree after only a couple of games is so not right, the more you think about it.
Finestrg wrote:meddling is what you call it. Do you know the circumstances? The conversations? Phil has nothing to offer JH in practices? If Allan Houston helped Justin Holiday work on his jumper is he meddling with the coaching staff? I mean your taking 5% of the information and creating the other 95% of the story. This is nuts. Everything is not always negative. Shockingly some folks actually enjoy working with others. What makes you think JH is threatened?crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:same article came out the other day about Phil helping during a practice and the coach and several players gushing about the synergy.Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
I somewhat agree... but did you see the interview with Hornacek where they asked him about this? He's already annoyed at the question. We all know NY is a tough media market - this perception is not gonna help Hornacek. It's early, but this is something I could see turning into a problem. And is Rambis saying what Hornacek is saying? Or is he telling players to listen to Phil? Again, it's early, but I could see it becoming an issue.
And really, they scored 111pts against Memphis. The offense wasn't the issue - it was the defense. Phil pulls Courtney Lee aside after he goes 6-11 for 16pts... next game after his private session with Phil, Lee goes 3-7 with 7pts and doesn't hit a shot after the first five minutes of the game. Did Phil help him? Maybe the benefits show up down the road. But watching the Memphis game, the team's offense didn't seem to be the issue. The defense did. Phil comes in to tinker with the offense and the Knicks go scoreless the last six minutes of a winnable game against Detroit, still have the same defensive issues. Just doesn't look good. And this isn't just going off one incident - we know Phil has stepped in before when he hasn't felt the Triangle was being run correctly. See Derek Fisher.
Agreed. I think there's something to this as well. Back way off, Phil, and let Horn run the team the way he sees fit. Any meddling could cost us games--it could be costing us games already for all we know. All I wanna see Phil do is go to Jeff eventually and say, "what do you think we need? Steve and I will try to find it for you." That's it.
How do you know he didnt? How do you know Phil didnt offer and JH said sure! great!Yeah, we don't know - it's all speculation. But I think it's fair to say the offense looked worse directly after Phil's input. Courtney Lee looked a lot worse after a one on one.
With the history here of Phil firing Fisher at least in part because Fisher wasn't open to Phil visiting practices (Phil said as much), this is definitely fair to raise as an issue.
As anyone who has coached or managed a team can tell you - multiple voices in the room can get tricky.
We don't know how it'll shake out, obviously. At this point I'm just wondering if it will be an issue. The phrase "coaching from the tenth row" has been following Phil around his entire tenure with the Knicks and given the overall record, I think it is fair to question how well that is working.
To me it is one thing to do that with a team of young guys you're trying to mould. But with a team of veterans that is clearly meant to be something of a win-now team, at least for this season, I question if that is the productive way to develop the team chemistry. Time and the win-loss column will eventually tell. It is clear we have a talented group here - probably the most talent since 2012-3... the question is what is the best way forward with this win-now group?
Good, fair analysis. Man, the thought of Phil meddling with Jeff to this degree after only a couple of games is so not right, the more you think about it.