I remember how bad the 99 team was that went to the chip... guys this team has 2 returning starters and 4 returning players from the entire roster.... i dont expect this team to even gel before the all star break.... and creating high expectations is not wise until this team has a lot of court time... I think everyone knows this is one of the most talented knicks teams built in a long while...
enjoy some of the flashes of greatness from rose,melo,KP,noah and even jennings but this team still has to come together in so many ways hopefully this team can float around 500 till the all star break and make a real run in the right direction after that...
right now everyone should chill out and enjoy the flashes, this is a really good team.
Good post.
One big difference. Melo talks a good game about D etc but I think Rose and Noah really mean it
They have an extra fire in the belly and I think help dilute Melo
I think we will see what they are made of. There is certainly talent on the roster. Lets see if they listen to the coach. Lets see if they take responsibility and ownership when they go over film and see who is getting used every time down the floor.
We have not seen those things yet, but they deserve the opportunity to show it and come together. They have a good win and 3 really bad losses. If they are bums they will tank when the going gets tough. If they are good they will come together and work this out.
I agree. A little tweak here and there and I think we will be fine. I still think we are winning 52+ games.
This team was dealt a really nasty blow when they didn't have their starting lineup play even one game in the preseason. That's a tough spot for a team trying to blend in so many new players and a new coach. It's just showing itself early on. The thing is that they have time to get it together so there is no reason to panic.
The main issue isn't a lack of talent but a lack of chemistry, cohesion and execution on both ends. They simply don't know each other well enough nor what they should be doing. That is something you can actually fix with hard work, whereas having no talent is a much tougher problem. You can see we have talent, so they have to keep working to come together.
nixluva wrote:This team was dealt a really nasty blow when they didn't have their starting lineup play even one game in the preseason. That's a tough spot for a team trying to blend in so many new players and a new coach. It's just showing itself early on. The thing is that they have time to get it together so there is no reason to panic.The main issue isn't a lack of talent but a lack of chemistry, cohesion and execution on both ends. They simply don't know each other well enough nor what they should be doing. That is something you can actually fix with hard work, whereas having no talent is a much tougher problem. You can see we have talent, so they have to keep working to come together.
or you could just say they have played like total poo. One good game and 3 total and utter poo fests. There is little to nothing positive you can say about the 3 losses. Nothing. They look exposed and unprepared.
I look forward and hope to see major adjustments, but there is no excuses or any glossing over... this has been a dismal start. The only positives are guys are not hurt.
nixluva wrote:This team was dealt a really nasty blow when they didn't have their starting lineup play even one game in the preseason. That's a tough spot for a team trying to blend in so many new players and a new coach. It's just showing itself early on. The thing is that they have time to get it together so there is no reason to panic.The main issue isn't a lack of talent but a lack of chemistry, cohesion and execution on both ends. They simply don't know each other well enough nor what they should be doing. That is something you can actually fix with hard work, whereas having no talent is a much tougher problem. You can see we have talent, so they have to keep working to come together.
Lets say the 3 or 4 games noah and Rose missed, replace them with the 4 games they have already played together, plus the 3 or 4 practices they were involved in, its still not encouraging. I mean these are blow outs, not close losses.
This is a system that takes 2 season to grasp, let alone master
quickest way to improve performance is to start jennings over rose
dk7th wrote:quickest way to improve performance is to start jennings over rose
Wow, do you honestly believe that?? I couldn't disagree with you more, all due respect. Outside of a few slick plays here and there, he's looked like garbage right from the first preseason game. HOT GARBAGE. And I see he's got a little attitude out there to boot which I don't care for at all--bitchin' about every call to the refs, shrugging his shoulders/terrible body language when someone like NDour can't handle one of his crazy passes, getting into it with players on these other teams (Casper Ware, Beno Udrih---WTF? Why??), getting into it with Mike D'Antoni after the game the other night (WTF was that about??). I mean can you imagine him coming down court with the firepower/vet presence of our starting unit and launching a bad shot 3 the way he does? How'd that fly?? Bad enough he plays like that on the 2nd unit.. I'm just not a fan AT ALL. Never have been. Even more so now that I'm seeing him up close. Prove me wrong, Brandon!! I'd love to be proven wrong here but as of right now, I'd don't see it with this guy at all. Unless he can turn it and start playing a better brand of basketball w/o the nonsense, he's one guy I'm already thinking is gone for next year.
Things dont get better soon, the vets are going to make some real noise about the Triangle. There have been some rumblings but nothing major. I hope they figure things out soon or Phil is going to have to make a choice, again. The Triangle always wins, just not in the win/loss column.
GustavBahler wrote:Things dont get better soon, the vets are going to make some real noise about the Triangle. There have been some rumblings but nothing major. I hope they figure things out soon or Phil is going to have to make a choice, again. The Triangle always wins, just not on in the win/loss column.
Good point. I honestly think it's an issue. But Fishmike is right -- the players also need to man up and hold themselves accountable too. There are quite a few adjustments I'd like to see from Jeff/Phil but the players themselves need to start playing harder & more inspired out there. There's no question about that.
Finestrg wrote:dk7th wrote:quickest way to improve performance is to start jennings over rose
Wow, do you honestly believe that?? I couldn't disagree with you more, all due respect. Outside of a few slick plays here and there, he's looked like garbage right from the first preseason game. HOT GARBAGE. And I see he's got a little attitude out there to boot which I don't care for at all--bitchin' about every call to the refs, shrugging his shoulders/terrible body language when someone like NDour can't handle one of his crazy passes, getting into it with players on these other teams (Casper Ware, Beno Udrih---WTF? Why??), getting into it with Mike D'Antoni after the game the other night (WTF was that about??). I mean can you imagine him coming down court with the firepower/vet presence of our starting unit and launching a bad shot 3 the way he does? How'd that fly?? Bad enough he plays like that on the 2nd unit.. I'm just not a fan AT ALL. Never have been. Even more so now that I'm seeing him up close. Prove me wrong, Brandon!! I'd love to be proven wrong here but as of right now, I'd don't see it with this guy at all. Unless he can turn it and start playing a better brand of basketball w/o the nonsense, he's one guy I'm already thinking is gone for next year.
no problem. i totally get where you're coming from and i agree, but with one qualification-- jennings for all his faults is a better ball sharer and has better chemistry with kp6. rose and melo out there together are simply horrible, like tag team selfishness taking turns going one on three. and that selfishness is the hub of the knicks failure to gel. yes it's only four games but it's just not going to get any better.
i really don't see how so many could not see this coming but there you go.
Finestrg wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Things dont get better soon, the vets are going to make some real noise about the Triangle. There have been some rumblings but nothing major. I hope they figure things out soon or Phil is going to have to make a choice, again. The Triangle always wins, just not on in the win/loss column.
Good point. I honestly think it's an issue. But Fishmike is right -- the players also need to man up and hold themselves accountable too. There are quite a few adjustments I'd like to see from Jeff/Phil but the players themselves need to start playing harder & more inspired out there. There's no question about that.
I agree, there's a lot the players can do as well. I would really like to see what would happen if Hornacek had complete control of the offense. He had Phoenix going toe to toe with the best teams in the west, in a very stacked western conference. Wouldn't have to worry about defending against non-existent offenses in practice. Its a bad look.
GustavBahler wrote:Finestrg wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Things dont get better soon, the vets are going to make some real noise about the Triangle. There have been some rumblings but nothing major. I hope they figure things out soon or Phil is going to have to make a choice, again. The Triangle always wins, just not on in the win/loss column.
Good point. I honestly think it's an issue. But Fishmike is right -- the players also need to man up and hold themselves accountable too. There are quite a few adjustments I'd like to see from Jeff/Phil but the players themselves need to start playing harder & more inspired out there. There's no question about that.
I agree, there's a lot the players can do as well. I would really like to see what would happen if Hornacek had complete control of the offense. He had Phoenix going toe to toe with the best teams in the west, in a very stacked western conference. Wouldn't have to worry about defending against non-existent offenses in practice. Its a bad look.
Agreed. I mean for Lee to come out and question why they're practicing D against the triangle when it's not what they're seeing in games, for Rose to come out and criticize the triangle after game 1 -- what more do you need to know that there's a problem there, that there is in fact something to it? But then flip side -- WTF, Courtney? Start playing better! Can't have you just sleepwalking through games out there, my man.
Finestrg wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Finestrg wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Things dont get better soon, the vets are going to make some real noise about the Triangle. There have been some rumblings but nothing major. I hope they figure things out soon or Phil is going to have to make a choice, again. The Triangle always wins, just not on in the win/loss column.
Good point. I honestly think it's an issue. But Fishmike is right -- the players also need to man up and hold themselves accountable too. There are quite a few adjustments I'd like to see from Jeff/Phil but the players themselves need to start playing harder & more inspired out there. There's no question about that.
I agree, there's a lot the players can do as well. I would really like to see what would happen if Hornacek had complete control of the offense. He had Phoenix going toe to toe with the best teams in the west, in a very stacked western conference. Wouldn't have to worry about defending against non-existent offenses in practice. Its a bad look.
Agreed. I mean for Lee to come out and question why they're practicing D against the triangle when it's not what they're seeing in games, for Rose to come out and criticize the triangle after game 1 -- what more do you need to know that there's a problem there, that there is in fact something to it? But then flip side -- WTF, Courtney? Start playing better! Can't have you just sleepwalking through games out there, my man.
maybe it's more about practicing the triangle than practicing defense against it
Finestrg wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Finestrg wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Things dont get better soon, the vets are going to make some real noise about the Triangle. There have been some rumblings but nothing major. I hope they figure things out soon or Phil is going to have to make a choice, again. The Triangle always wins, just not on in the win/loss column.
Good point. I honestly think it's an issue. But Fishmike is right -- the players also need to man up and hold themselves accountable too. There are quite a few adjustments I'd like to see from Jeff/Phil but the players themselves need to start playing harder & more inspired out there. There's no question about that.
I agree, there's a lot the players can do as well. I would really like to see what would happen if Hornacek had complete control of the offense. He had Phoenix going toe to toe with the best teams in the west, in a very stacked western conference. Wouldn't have to worry about defending against non-existent offenses in practice. Its a bad look.
Agreed. I mean for Lee to come out and question why they're practicing D against the triangle when it's not what they're seeing in games, for Rose to come out and criticize the triangle after game 1 -- what more do you need to know that there's a problem there, that there is in fact something to it? But then flip side -- WTF, Courtney? Start playing better! Can't have you just sleepwalking through games out there, my man.
Even if the players were doing their part, preparing for situations that will most likely not appear in a game, looks bad. Game 1 or game 82.
NYKBocker wrote:I agree. A little tweak here and there and I think we will be fine. I still think we are winning 52+ games.
i doubt 52 wins. I think mid 40s is more realistic without any big injuries
