do we all agree we should just tank? This next draft is very good. It just makes sense to tank, sadly. We need to look to the future guys. Lets get us a Josh Jackson or Fultz. The draft can completely change a teams future. What if we didn't tank and get KP? We would be in an even worse position now then before.
KP4Life wrote:do we all agree we should just tank? This next draft is very good. It just makes sense to tank, sadly. We need to look to the future guys. Lets get us a Josh Jackson or Fultz. The draft can completely change a teams future. What if we didn't tank and get KP? We would be in an even worse position now then before.
No, we already have our unicorn. Team needs to grow and get better, we got the players to do so, just got to work on putting them together.
I wouldnt mind getting another lottery pick since it would help us better in the longrun. I dont think this team is tanking since its probably a 42 win team anyway, we still should get a good pick
martin wrote:KP4Life wrote:do we all agree we should just tank? This next draft is very good. It just makes sense to tank, sadly. We need to look to the future guys. Lets get us a Josh Jackson or Fultz. The draft can completely change a teams future. What if we didn't tank and get KP? We would be in an even worse position now then before.
No, we already have our unicorn. Team needs to grow and get better, we got the players to do so, just got to work on putting them together.
It would not be the time to tank but if they still look bad in January they need to trade Lee if he has value. This draft class might be the only way the Knicks get a legit PG. THe only other option is to remain all in and see if you can get Dragic in a trade but his contract at his age is scary.
yellowboy90 wrote:martin wrote:KP4Life wrote:do we all agree we should just tank? This next draft is very good. It just makes sense to tank, sadly. We need to look to the future guys. Lets get us a Josh Jackson or Fultz. The draft can completely change a teams future. What if we didn't tank and get KP? We would be in an even worse position now then before.
No, we already have our unicorn. Team needs to grow and get better, we got the players to do so, just got to work on putting them together.
It would not be the time to tank but if they still look bad in January they need to trade Lee if he has value. This draft class might be the only way the Knicks get a legit PG. THe only other option is to remain all in and see if you can get Dragic in a trade but his contract at his age is scary.
we definetly need a traditional pg next year. Having 3 picks gives us some flexibility to move around in the draft
It seems to me that this team has enough talent to compete as long as they are in sync and execute at the right level. They have been up and down so far but it's highly possible that they could get it together and play more consistently at a good level.
They're still in the mix and that despite all the issues with new players, young players, new to the league players etc. they've won games in spite of those issues and I don't believe we've seen the best from this team yet.
The team is close to where I thought they'd be when looking at their record so no real complaints. Just gotta get off the bottom in defense and find a way to score at least NBA average in points and they'll hit their .500 mark or slightly above. Cant expect more than that.
Dont want KP's early years in the league to be part of teams that try to lose. Especially this early
GustavBahler wrote:Dont want KP's early years in the league to be part of teams that try to lose. Especially this early
Sometimes that's an indicator of the player himself. A player that's described as a "unicorn" shouldn't be on a bad team no matter who he is playing with, and for the record he hasn't had a bad team in either of his first two years.
Okay for my mind, we have till January. If things are bleak, pull the pin. Move Melo to a contender and take in all the assets you can, young players, first rounders I'd be pleased with either. What this does is allow us to tank for a season for a good pick, drop Rose, and move forward with Kristaps. It benefits everyone in my opinion, Melo can go and have a better hope of a ring or finals appearance and Knicks get a future with Kristaps. In my opinion, a team that should be talked to is the Hawks, if we could take Schroder and/or Bazemore with a couple picks I'd take it. Hawks get a legit scorer to add to their already strong team. Anyway just what I'd be doing if I were Phil.
knickscity wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Dont want KP's early years in the league to be part of teams that try to lose. Especially this early
Sometimes that's an indicator of the player himself. A player that's described as a "unicorn" shouldn't be on a bad team no matter who he is playing with, and for the record he hasn't had a bad team in either of his first two years.
^^^This is why we can't have nice things...
Knicks67 wrote:Okay for my mind, we have till January. If things are bleak, pull the pin. Move Melo to a contender and take in all the assets you can, young players, first rounders I'd be pleased with either. What this does is allow us to tank for a season for a good pick, drop Rose, and move forward with Kristaps. It benefits everyone in my opinion, Melo can go and have a better hope of a ring or finals appearance and Knicks get a future with Kristaps. In my opinion, a team that should be talked to is the Hawks, if we could take Schroder and/or Bazemore with a couple picks I'd take it. Hawks get a legit scorer to add to their already strong team. Anyway just what I'd be doing if I were Phil.
Melo has a no trade clause.
Yes. Tank. Even though last year's acquisitions . . . set back that project somewhat.
Given the no trade part of Melo's contract, he might be easier to move if we tank. I'm okay with not getting much back for him, just to move on. Surely we can get a pick or two, even if they aren't great picks.
KP4Life wrote:do we all agree we should just tank? This next draft is very good. It just makes sense to tank, sadly. We need to look to the future guys. Lets get us a Josh Jackson or Fultz. The draft can completely change a teams future. What if we didn't tank and get KP? We would be in an even worse position now then before.
I understand your logic, but if the priority is KP, then tanking teaches bad habits to young players- teaches them just to focus on 'getting theirs' rather than winning.
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks67 wrote:Okay for my mind, we have till January. If things are bleak, pull the pin. Move Melo to a contender and take in all the assets you can, young players, first rounders I'd be pleased with either. What this does is allow us to tank for a season for a good pick, drop Rose, and move forward with Kristaps. It benefits everyone in my opinion, Melo can go and have a better hope of a ring or finals appearance and Knicks get a future with Kristaps. In my opinion, a team that should be talked to is the Hawks, if we could take Schroder and/or Bazemore with a couple picks I'd take it. Hawks get a legit scorer to add to their already strong team. Anyway just what I'd be doing if I were Phil.
Melo has a no trade clause.
True although I believe he may lift it if we suffer bad enough, or even sit him down and say we want you on a contender, while we can try again with kristaps. If he likes the offer he will go, it's just a case of finding a team that will give some good assets, but is a good enough contender to get Melo to leave Ny.
NumberTwoPencil wrote:Yes. Tank. Even though last year's acquisitions . . . set back that project somewhat.Given the no trade part of Melo's contract, he might be easier to move if we tank. I'm okay with not getting much back for him, just to move on. Surely we can get a pick or two, even if they aren't great picks.
Honestly a decent first rounder and promising young gun is enough for me. As soon as that happens Kristaps becomes the first option, our pick gains immense value and we can put Melo on a contender. It's down to Melo though, we either settle in to the end of next season to get rid of him once he is a free agent, or we hope he realises he is running out of time for that elusive ring and he lifts the clause.
Tanking has really helped the Sixers, huh? What we should've done is found a way to GET some 1st round picks instead of always trading ours. Maybe we'd be in a situation like Boston where they are winning, have lotto picks, and didn't have to tank. Besides, if you know what you're doing you can get quality talent outside of the lottery.
Not sure why people think tanking is an effective strategy.
Welpee wrote:Tanking has really helped the Sixers, huh? What we should've done is found a way to GET some 1st round picks instead of always trading ours. Maybe we'd be in a situation like Boston where they are winning, have lotto picks, and didn't have to tank. Besides, if you know what you're doing you can get quality talent outside of the lottery.Not sure why people think tanking is an effective strategy.
Boston traded all of the core that won a title for them, the reason they didn't tank is because they got decent pieces back to rebuild with. The Knicks are different, they haven't won any titles and wont with this crew, but still holding on to some thinking that they could be good.
We can't dwell in what happened before Phil. Right now he has restarted the Knicks and wrote his own chapter.
Right now we have Lee Noah and Thomas (oh the irony)with Bad contacts. We will still have cap space next year with Rose and Jennings coming off the books. We have all our draft picks... we are doing OK.
We are treading water now even though the talent base had improved. We can't expect greatness immediately. We gotta be patient. We are not in the red anymore.
Agree with Welpee.
They will probably be a 6-8 seed and maybe get outta round 1.
My hope is Clips fail in 1st round and CP3 comes here next season. I think looking for interchangeable players in the 2017 draft, like the Celts always take, is what KP needs to be surrounded with. You add that to a Melo/Noah veteran presence, w/ CP3's leadership and I think you have a nice recipe for a contender.
Maybe Phil can convert the 2nd's into another 1.
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Tanking has not guarantee. Player can be a bust, he can also get hurt. Then what?
The tank was useless.
