Knicks · Slowly becoming Kp's team (page 2)

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Maybe we win ONE game without Melo before we have to read another thread about making this someone else's team...

yes indeedy: 35 minutes, 8 points, 0 blocks, 0 assists. It's time for a logo change:

NY KristapKnicks

I can guarantee you, KP knows whose team IT IS.

So in your mind, "slowly becoming KP'S team" = "KP will do well with Melo and Rose out"? I read the OP's message and do not see anything close to that in it.

"Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season"

Let the unicorn dominate and win a game all by his lonesome, before we have to "slowly" talk about stepping down, passing the torch, picking out a nice retirement village for OVERPAID DOUCHE GranpaMelo, etc, etc for the benefit of the team (That's at it's best level, since...well, the last time we won 50 games). That's all I'm saying.

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner tkf/dk7th in preparation for the next Knick losing streak...

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Maybe we win ONE game without Melo before we have to read another thread about making this someone else's team...

yes indeedy: 35 minutes, 8 points, 0 blocks, 0 assists. It's time for a logo change:

NY KristapKnicks

I can guarantee you, KP knows whose team IT IS.

So in your mind, "slowly becoming KP'S team" = "KP will do well with Melo and Rose out"? I read the OP's message and do not see anything close to that in it.

No, in my mind, and in black and white, the OP asked:

"Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season"

Let the unicorn dominate and win a game all by his lonesome, before we have to "slowly" talk about stepping down, passing the torch, picking out a nice retirement village for OVERPAID DOUCHE GranpaMelo, etc, etc for the benefit of the team (That's at it's best level, since...well, the last time we won 50 games). That's all I'm saying.

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner tkf/dk7th in preparation for the next Knick losing streak...

Knicks67 wrote:Melo has been lacklustre lately and especially against the Suns. I understand off games but this has happened multiple games this season. I think it is Time the team looks for Melo less and Kristaps more. This isn't a vendetta against Melo but I do believe this would benefit everyone. His catch and shoot percentages have been fantastic but his moving shots or after dribbling percentages are awful. If Kristaps could attract the D and create open shots for Melo everyone wins, now this does not mean Kristaps has to completely carry everyone, this would be rash in his second year, with help coming from other places like Rose, Koq, Jennings, Melo and Lee they should all benefit from the attention Kp attracts. Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season

Dont know if it has to be anyone taking a step down. Problem I see with Melo is everyone talks about KP getting better plays called for him, Lee getting set up for more threes but no one talks about maybe running some better catch and shoots for Melo. Or maybe running the 1-3 pick and roll for Melo. Most times Melo is given the ball a bit too far from basket and just asked to score. And many times with less than 5 seconds left on the clock. Think his age and knees are making it tougher to do what he has done all his career. Which is single handedly score against a defense. Ofcourse, Melo needs to stop forcing the issue at times, specially when double teamed. Overall, would like more catch and shoot plays set up for both KP and Melo to get them in rhythm and going early, Then go with the hot hand. I am sure they will only get better with more games under their belts. We have had a good season so far and if we can get those two guys playing at a high level and add Rose to the mix we can be tough to defend.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Maybe we win ONE game without Melo before we have to read another thread about making this someone else's team...

yes indeedy: 35 minutes, 8 points, 0 blocks, 0 assists. It's time for a logo change:

NY KristapKnicks

I can guarantee you, KP knows whose team IT IS.

So in your mind, "slowly becoming KP'S team" = "KP will do well with Melo and Rose out"? I read the OP's message and do not see anything close to that in it.

No, in my mind, and in black and white, the OP asked:

"Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season"

Let the unicorn dominate and win a game all by his lonesome, before we have to "slowly" talk about stepping down, passing the torch, picking out a nice retirement village for OVERPAID DOUCHE GranpaMelo, etc, etc for the benefit of the team (That's at it's best level, since...well, the last time we won 50 games). That's all I'm saying.

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner tkf/dk7th in preparation for the next Knick losing streak...

So taking a step down means being out of the game? Come on, you're not giving a fair interpretation of the OP's message. If you want to give a fair test of the message, look at the games where both Melo and KP played but KP took more shots than Melo did.

I think he is because I see the same thing.

In a game that he was going to be needed to carry the load, much like Melo has too regularly, he disappointed. Too me, he played like this was his first NBA game and gave me doubts that he would ever be able to be an alpha dog on any NBA team.

KP is never going to be a post up player, and even he gets a little stronger, he's going to remain a finesse player. His job is to become a smarter player, and raise his IQ, and work on his foot work.

Learn how to use his height, athleticism and quickness, instead of his weight, and strength.

when melo doesn't play, kp looks very average

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Maybe we win ONE game without Melo before we have to read another thread about making this someone else's team...

yes indeedy: 35 minutes, 8 points, 0 blocks, 0 assists. It's time for a logo change:

NY KristapKnicks

I can guarantee you, KP knows whose team IT IS.

So in your mind, "slowly becoming KP'S team" = "KP will do well with Melo and Rose out"? I read the OP's message and do not see anything close to that in it.

No, in my mind, and in black and white, the OP asked:

"Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season"

Let the unicorn dominate and win a game all by his lonesome, before we have to "slowly" talk about stepping down, passing the torch, picking out a nice retirement village for OVERPAID DOUCHE GranpaMelo, etc, etc for the benefit of the team (That's at it's best level, since...well, the last time we won 50 games). That's all I'm saying.

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner tkf/dk7th in preparation for the next Knick losing streak...

So taking a step down means being out of the game? Come on, you're not giving a fair interpretation of the OP's message. If you want to give a fair test of the message, look at the games where both Melo and KP played but KP took more shots than Melo did.

I think he is because I see the same thing.

In a game that he was going to be needed to carry the load, much like Melo has too regularly, he disappointed. Too me, he played like this was his first NBA game and gave me doubts that he would ever be able to be an alpha dog on any NBA team.

+1
Kaboom! Nice post.

And don't get me wrong, KP's game gives my BBIQ woodies all day long, but he's got some work and things to accomplish before we go with the "his team" sheehit...

knicks1248 wrote:Someone needs to tell KP that if he's going to talk trash about revenge game to the media against an opponent that trashed you the last time you played him, you need to step your game up.

KP is never going to be a post up player, and even he gets a little stronger, he's going to remain a finesse player. His job is to become a smarter player, and raise his IQ, and work on his foot work.

Learn how to use his height, athleticism and quickness, instead of his weight, and strength.

when melo doesn't play, kp looks very average

Dirk had no post game for years until he made a concerted effort to do more scoring in the paint. He was just as wiry as KP as well, early on. KP needs a good up and under move.

Porzingis is setting NBA records, and he is barely into his second year. As he fills out, KP will be better able to battle in the paint. Still should stay aggressive, shoot over the shorter players, drive on the other bigs.

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Maybe we win ONE game without Melo before we have to read another thread about making this someone else's team...

yes indeedy: 35 minutes, 8 points, 0 blocks, 0 assists. It's time for a logo change:

NY KristapKnicks

I can guarantee you, KP knows whose team IT IS.

So in your mind, "slowly becoming KP'S team" = "KP will do well with Melo and Rose out"? I read the OP's message and do not see anything close to that in it.

No, in my mind, and in black and white, the OP asked:

"Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season"

Let the unicorn dominate and win a game all by his lonesome, before we have to "slowly" talk about stepping down, passing the torch, picking out a nice retirement village for OVERPAID DOUCHE GranpaMelo, etc, etc for the benefit of the team (That's at it's best level, since...well, the last time we won 50 games). That's all I'm saying.

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner tkf/dk7th in preparation for the next Knick losing streak...

So taking a step down means being out of the game? Come on, you're not giving a fair interpretation of the OP's message. If you want to give a fair test of the message, look at the games where both Melo and KP played but KP took more shots than Melo did.

I think he is because I see the same thing.

In a game that he was going to be needed to carry the load, much like Melo has too regularly, he disappointed. Too me, he played like this was his first NBA game and gave me doubts that he would ever be able to be an alpha dog on any NBA team.

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Maybe we win ONE game without Melo before we have to read another thread about making this someone else's team...

yes indeedy: 35 minutes, 8 points, 0 blocks, 0 assists. It's time for a logo change:

NY KristapKnicks

I can guarantee you, KP knows whose team IT IS.

So in your mind, "slowly becoming KP'S team" = "KP will do well with Melo and Rose out"? I read the OP's message and do not see anything close to that in it.

No, in my mind, and in black and white, the OP asked:

"Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season"

Let the unicorn dominate and win a game all by his lonesome, before we have to "slowly" talk about stepping down, passing the torch, picking out a nice retirement village for OVERPAID DOUCHE GranpaMelo, etc, etc for the benefit of the team (That's at it's best level, since...well, the last time we won 50 games). That's all I'm saying.

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner tkf/dk7th in preparation for the next Knick losing streak...

So taking a step down means being out of the game? Come on, you're not giving a fair interpretation of the OP's message. If you want to give a fair test of the message, look at the games where both Melo and KP played but KP took more shots than Melo did.

I think he is because I see the same thing.

In a game that he was going to be needed to carry the load, much like Melo has too regularly, he disappointed. Too me, he played like this was his first NBA game and gave me doubts that he would ever be able to be an alpha dog on any NBA team.

Here is the OP's post. So games where the three points in bold are happening would be a good test of his suggestion.

Melo has been lacklustre lately and especially against the Suns. I understand off games but this has happened multiple games this season. I think it is Time the team looks for Melo less and Kristaps more. This isn't a vendetta against Melo but I do believe this would benefit everyone. His catch and shoot percentages have been fantastic but his moving shots or after dribbling percentages are awful. If Kristaps could attract the D and create open shots for Melo everyone wins, now this does not mean Kristaps has to completely carry everyone, this would be rash in his second year, with help coming from other places like Rose, Koq, Jennings, Melo and Lee they should all benefit from the attention Kp attracts. Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Maybe we win ONE game without Melo before we have to read another thread about making this someone else's team...

yes indeedy: 35 minutes, 8 points, 0 blocks, 0 assists. It's time for a logo change:

NY KristapKnicks

I can guarantee you, KP knows whose team IT IS.

So in your mind, "slowly becoming KP'S team" = "KP will do well with Melo and Rose out"? I read the OP's message and do not see anything close to that in it.

No, in my mind, and in black and white, the OP asked:

"Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season"

Let the unicorn dominate and win a game all by his lonesome, before we have to "slowly" talk about stepping down, passing the torch, picking out a nice retirement village for OVERPAID DOUCHE GranpaMelo, etc, etc for the benefit of the team (That's at it's best level, since...well, the last time we won 50 games). That's all I'm saying.

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner tkf/dk7th in preparation for the next Knick losing streak...

So taking a step down means being out of the game? Come on, you're not giving a fair interpretation of the OP's message. If you want to give a fair test of the message, look at the games where both Melo and KP played but KP took more shots than Melo did.

I think he is because I see the same thing.

In a game that he was going to be needed to carry the load, much like Melo has too regularly, he disappointed. Too me, he played like this was his first NBA game and gave me doubts that he would ever be able to be an alpha dog on any NBA team.

Here is the OP's post. So games where the three points in bold are happening would be a good test of his suggestion.

Melo has been lacklustre lately and especially against the Suns. I understand off games but this has happened multiple games this season. I think it is Time the team looks for Melo less and Kristaps more. This isn't a vendetta against Melo but I do believe this would benefit everyone. His catch and shoot percentages have been fantastic but his moving shots or after dribbling percentages are awful. If Kristaps could attract the D and create open shots for Melo everyone wins, now this does not mean Kristaps has to completely carry everyone, this would be rash in his second year, with help coming from other places like Rose, Koq, Jennings, Melo and Lee they should all benefit from the attention Kp attracts. Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season

Thank you sir, I may have been misinterpreted but I meant that the offence runs through Kristaps a little more to get Melo more catch and shoot. As I said Kristaps shouldn't have to carry a team, nor against a DPOY candidate, nor against the best team in the league. Melo is still the best player, but we need to maximise his longevity perhaps by making him do a little less and Kristaps just a wee little bit more.

To add Melo will still be the best player and as he should be, however it was simply a thread to get him shots where he is shooting from well

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Maybe we win ONE game without Melo before we have to read another thread about making this someone else's team...

yes indeedy: 35 minutes, 8 points, 0 blocks, 0 assists. It's time for a logo change:

NY KristapKnicks

I can guarantee you, KP knows whose team IT IS.

So in your mind, "slowly becoming KP'S team" = "KP will do well with Melo and Rose out"? I read the OP's message and do not see anything close to that in it.

No, in my mind, and in black and white, the OP asked:

"Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season"

Let the unicorn dominate and win a game all by his lonesome, before we have to "slowly" talk about stepping down, passing the torch, picking out a nice retirement village for OVERPAID DOUCHE GranpaMelo, etc, etc for the benefit of the team (That's at it's best level, since...well, the last time we won 50 games). That's all I'm saying.

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner tkf/dk7th in preparation for the next Knick losing streak...

So taking a step down means being out of the game? Come on, you're not giving a fair interpretation of the OP's message. If you want to give a fair test of the message, look at the games where both Melo and KP played but KP took more shots than Melo did.

I think he is because I see the same thing.

In a game that he was going to be needed to carry the load, much like Melo has too regularly, he disappointed. Too me, he played like this was his first NBA game and gave me doubts that he would ever be able to be an alpha dog on any NBA team.

Understatement of the year. How has Melo done against elite teams when 2 of our key starters are missing?
Last night had no bearing on the discussion that the OP was trying to raise.

Knicks67 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Maybe we win ONE game without Melo before we have to read another thread about making this someone else's team...

yes indeedy: 35 minutes, 8 points, 0 blocks, 0 assists. It's time for a logo change:

NY KristapKnicks

I can guarantee you, KP knows whose team IT IS.

So in your mind, "slowly becoming KP'S team" = "KP will do well with Melo and Rose out"? I read the OP's message and do not see anything close to that in it.

No, in my mind, and in black and white, the OP asked:

"Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season"

Let the unicorn dominate and win a game all by his lonesome, before we have to "slowly" talk about stepping down, passing the torch, picking out a nice retirement village for OVERPAID DOUCHE GranpaMelo, etc, etc for the benefit of the team (That's at it's best level, since...well, the last time we won 50 games). That's all I'm saying.

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner tkf/dk7th in preparation for the next Knick losing streak...

So taking a step down means being out of the game? Come on, you're not giving a fair interpretation of the OP's message. If you want to give a fair test of the message, look at the games where both Melo and KP played but KP took more shots than Melo did.

I think he is because I see the same thing.

In a game that he was going to be needed to carry the load, much like Melo has too regularly, he disappointed. Too me, he played like this was his first NBA game and gave me doubts that he would ever be able to be an alpha dog on any NBA team.

Here is the OP's post. So games where the three points in bold are happening would be a good test of his suggestion.

Melo has been lacklustre lately and especially against the Suns. I understand off games but this has happened multiple games this season. I think it is Time the team looks for Melo less and Kristaps more. This isn't a vendetta against Melo but I do believe this would benefit everyone. His catch and shoot percentages have been fantastic but his moving shots or after dribbling percentages are awful. If Kristaps could attract the D and create open shots for Melo everyone wins, now this does not mean Kristaps has to completely carry everyone, this would be rash in his second year, with help coming from other places like Rose, Koq, Jennings, Melo and Lee they should all benefit from the attention Kp attracts. Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season

Thank you sir, I may have been misinterpreted but I meant that the offence runs through Kristaps a little more to get Melo more catch and shoot. As I said Kristaps shouldn't have to carry a team, nor against a DPOY candidate, nor against the best team in the league. Melo is still the best player, but we need to maximise his longevity perhaps by making him do a little less and Kristaps just a wee little bit more.

To add Melo will still be the best player and as he should be, however it was simply a thread to get him shots where he is shooting from well

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Maybe we win ONE game without Melo before we have to read another thread about making this someone else's team...

yes indeedy: 35 minutes, 8 points, 0 blocks, 0 assists. It's time for a logo change:

NY KristapKnicks

I can guarantee you, KP knows whose team IT IS.

So in your mind, "slowly becoming KP'S team" = "KP will do well with Melo and Rose out"? I read the OP's message and do not see anything close to that in it.

No, in my mind, and in black and white, the OP asked:

"Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season"

Let the unicorn dominate and win a game all by his lonesome, before we have to "slowly" talk about stepping down, passing the torch, picking out a nice retirement village for OVERPAID DOUCHE GranpaMelo, etc, etc for the benefit of the team (That's at it's best level, since...well, the last time we won 50 games). That's all I'm saying.

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner tkf/dk7th in preparation for the next Knick losing streak...

So taking a step down means being out of the game? Come on, you're not giving a fair interpretation of the OP's message. If you want to give a fair test of the message, look at the games where both Melo and KP played but KP took more shots than Melo did.

I think he is because I see the same thing.

In a game that he was going to be needed to carry the load, much like Melo has too regularly, he disappointed. Too me, he played like this was his first NBA game and gave me doubts that he would ever be able to be an alpha dog on any NBA team.

Understatement of the year. How has Melo done against elite teams when 2 of our key starters are missing?
Last night had no bearing on the discussion that the OP was trying to raise.

That has been almost his entire tenure as a Knick until recently.

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Someone needs to tell KP that if he's going to talk trash about revenge game to the media against an opponent that trashed you the last time you played him, you need to step your game up.

KP is never going to be a post up player, and even he gets a little stronger, he's going to remain a finesse player. His job is to become a smarter player, and raise his IQ, and work on his foot work.

Learn how to use his height, athleticism and quickness, instead of his weight, and strength.

when melo doesn't play, kp looks very average

Dirk had no post game for years until he made a concerted effort to do more scoring in the paint. He was just as wiry as KP as well, early on. KP needs a good up and under move.

Porzingis is setting NBA records, and he is barely into his second year. As he fills out, KP will be better able to battle in the paint. Still should stay aggressive, shoot over the shorter players, drive on the other bigs.

The comparison to dirk is that their both 7 ft jump shooters that are white. Dirk is not as athletic, nor does he have the speed or handle that kp possess

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Someone needs to tell KP that if he's going to talk trash about revenge game to the media against an opponent that trashed you the last time you played him, you need to step your game up.

KP is never going to be a post up player, and even he gets a little stronger, he's going to remain a finesse player. His job is to become a smarter player, and raise his IQ, and work on his foot work.

Learn how to use his height, athleticism and quickness, instead of his weight, and strength.

when melo doesn't play, kp looks very average

Dirk had no post game for years until he made a concerted effort to do more scoring in the paint. He was just as wiry as KP as well, early on. KP needs a good up and under move.

Porzingis is setting NBA records, and he is barely into his second year. As he fills out, KP will be better able to battle in the paint. Still should stay aggressive, shoot over the shorter players, drive on the other bigs.

The comparison to dirk is that their both 7 ft jump shooters that are white. Dirk is not as athletic, nor does he have the speed or handle that kp possess

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Someone needs to tell KP that if he's going to talk trash about revenge game to the media against an opponent that trashed you the last time you played him, you need to step your game up.

KP is never going to be a post up player, and even he gets a little stronger, he's going to remain a finesse player. His job is to become a smarter player, and raise his IQ, and work on his foot work.

Learn how to use his height, athleticism and quickness, instead of his weight, and strength.

when melo doesn't play, kp looks very average

Dirk had no post game for years until he made a concerted effort to do more scoring in the paint. He was just as wiry as KP as well, early on. KP needs a good up and under move.

Porzingis is setting NBA records, and he is barely into his second year. As he fills out, KP will be better able to battle in the paint. Still should stay aggressive, shoot over the shorter players, drive on the other bigs.

The comparison to dirk is that their both 7 ft jump shooters that are white. Dirk is not as athletic, nor does he have the speed or handle that kp possess

Hardly. KP said that Dirk was a role model for his game, even using some his unusual training techniques. If you believe that KP is more mobile than Dirk (who was very mobile himself for his size) then Im not sure why after not even being halfway through his second season, you're already proclaiming that KP will never develop a post game?

What are you basing this on? Him being skinny? Like I said, so was Dirk, they both had a similar frame, which is more germain to this discussion, than KP's race.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Maybe we win ONE game without Melo before we have to read another thread about making this someone else's team...

yes indeedy: 35 minutes, 8 points, 0 blocks, 0 assists. It's time for a logo change:

NY KristapKnicks

I can guarantee you, KP knows whose team IT IS.

So in your mind, "slowly becoming KP'S team" = "KP will do well with Melo and Rose out"? I read the OP's message and do not see anything close to that in it.

No, in my mind, and in black and white, the OP asked:

"Tell me what you think of Melo taking a bit of a step down for the benefit of the team this season"

Let the unicorn dominate and win a game all by his lonesome, before we have to "slowly" talk about stepping down, passing the torch, picking out a nice retirement village for OVERPAID DOUCHE GranpaMelo, etc, etc for the benefit of the team (That's at it's best level, since...well, the last time we won 50 games). That's all I'm saying.

Sorry, I'm channeling my inner tkf/dk7th in preparation for the next Knick losing streak...

So taking a step down means being out of the game? Come on, you're not giving a fair interpretation of the OP's message. If you want to give a fair test of the message, look at the games where both Melo and KP played but KP took more shots than Melo did.

I think he is because I see the same thing.

In a game that he was going to be needed to carry the load, much like Melo has too regularly, he disappointed. Too me, he played like this was his first NBA game and gave me doubts that he would ever be able to be an alpha dog on any NBA team.

Understatement of the year. How has Melo done against elite teams when 2 of our key starters are missing?
Last night had no bearing on the discussion that the OP was trying to raise.

That has been almost his entire tenure as a Knick until recently.

Well 2 starters being out was an understatement. How about this: How does Melo do against elite teams when none of his teammates even average 11 PPG.