martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Vmart wrote:Fire power is the least of the Knicks worries they need defensive power. This team goes as Rose goes.
Hinging your team's future on a shoot first PG, the most injured player of the last 5 years, isn't firepower.
didn't GS have the same'ish situation with Curry 
Something to consider...but Curry was/is more of a sniper, who had more finesse going to the basket, IMO, though he does the stop and go turn on a dime action that took a toll on his ankles, early on.
Rose attacks the basket like a kamikaze-does not show much fear of contact, and figures he can adjust to whatever an opponent does. I think his style is conducive to a number of injuries, including the wear and tear nagging ones which don't disable you but do hurt production.
nixluva wrote:Nalod wrote:TLover wrote:Willy G could be that 4th star if given the opportunity. So no I wouldn't make that deal.
Keep draft picks and develop your own.
Im really not quite sure what his upside is. Also I can't comment on Portlands commitment to Plumlee. Seems redundant to have Willy and Plumlee. Both offensively not great away from the basket.
I can tell you right now that both Willy and Plumlee are not as bad as you think shooting the ball. They have the beginning of a future reliable jump shot. They both only need more work and to gain confidence in their shooting. They are probably like KOQ in that they should be able to expand their range in time. In fact Willy is closer than some may think with his jumper. It's all about confidence. I like both Willy and Plumlee for this team's future.
Im talking about Mason Plumlee in Portland. Trades are not one way streets. I like our Marshall Plumlee just fine and think he is a keeper.
I like Willy, but there will be other picks and players in our future and if he can return a player that can take us further, Im confident nobody is that untouchable.
Have to consider he is buds with KP, and the outlook of our finances are to be considered. When either KOQ or Noah are hurt, he gets the minutes.
MarshalL plumlee has that great "Thank you sir, may I have another" smile on his face when playing and hope he too is part of our future.
Nalod wrote:nixluva wrote:Nalod wrote:TLover wrote:Willy G could be that 4th star if given the opportunity. So no I wouldn't make that deal.
Keep draft picks and develop your own.
Im really not quite sure what his upside is. Also I can't comment on Portlands commitment to Plumlee. Seems redundant to have Willy and Plumlee. Both offensively not great away from the basket.
I can tell you right now that both Willy and Plumlee are not as bad as you think shooting the ball. They have the beginning of a future reliable jump shot. They both only need more work and to gain confidence in their shooting. They are probably like KOQ in that they should be able to expand their range in time. In fact Willy is closer than some may think with his jumper. It's all about confidence. I like both Willy and Plumlee for this team's future.
Im talking about Mason Plumlee in Portland. Trades are not one way streets. I like our Marshall Plumlee just fine and think he is a keeper.
I like Willy, but there will be other picks and players in our future and if he can return a player that can take us further, Im confident nobody is that untouchable.
Have to consider he is buds with KP, and the outlook of our finances are to be considered. When either KOQ or Noah are hurt, he gets the minutes.
MarshalL plumlee has that great "Thank you sir, may I have another" smile on his face when playing and hope he too is part of our future.
Sorry I got confused on the Plumlee thing.
I think Willy is a KEEPER. His game is not predicated on super athletic ability but rather agility, quickness, toughness and skill. He's only going to get better IMO. He's got that style that should be effective for MANY years. I don't want to give up a kid like that for a scoring Guard when Guards come out every year and you can get one much cheaper if that's your focus. Heck i'd rather just bring up a kid like Randle for cheap.
We finally luck out and draft a potential franchise player in KP, a very family-oriented, tight-knit kid. We then bring in his best friend from overseas and have him play exceptionally well...only to ship him out 2 months into the season. Not a memory I want KP to have come extension time.
Willy isn't going anywhere.
What was proposed for McCollum is a lot, though I can see the logic in coming up with another reliable scoring option...How about Will Barton as a cheaper alternative? I know Briggs has mentioned him before. Similar players... Having a good year--real good scorer off the bench, ball-handler, attacks the rim well, good mid-range game, 3-pt % continues to improve... Denver's not really going anywhere -- if they could get something decent for Barton, they might listen. If McCollum hypothetically would cost Willy + 2 #1s, what would Barton cost? Less than that, no? What if we could get Barton for some combination of Willy/Holiday/Baker/2nd round pick? KOQ (who's much improved this year--he's gotta be in the conversation for most improved player this year so far I would think) and Plumlee could fill the gap up front left by Hernangomez and as much as I like Holiday, Barton would be an upgrade. Supposedly, the Wizards have been trying to get Barton in a trade, maybe the Pels too, so there's some competition out there..
I still say Elliot Williams would be a dynamite choice for this same type of player too and this guy wouldn't cost anything...Not having a great year in Greece for whatever reason(s) but I saw enough of him in the DL last year playing out of his mind to know that (a) he's healthy (at least as far as that Achilles injury from a few years ago goes) and (b) that he's capable of playing at a high level.
BRIGGS wrote:Willy G 2 #1 picks top 5 restricted for C J McCollum. That would give us Rose KP Melo and CJ--that 4th star would make us a team that would be able to compete evenly with Cleveland. We could move Lee to 6th man I dont think Portland is going to make that work.
Just say "NO" to trading picks. Stop being such a flop-flopper on our future.
knicks1248 wrote:First of all, you never trade big for small, 2nd, trading Willy when you have suspect Noah on deck, is not a wise move at all, 3rd cj is to damn small, 4th we already have 3 scorers, 5th our defense is the main reason we struggle, 6th im hoping chase can some how make it up to the big leagues and baker develops into a decent back up, and that cant happen with another high profile guard.
Wow, yet again I find myself in agreement with 1248. Right on all counts in this post.
Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Vmart wrote:Fire power is the least of the Knicks worries they need defensive power. This team goes as Rose goes.
Hinging your team's future on a shoot first PG, the most injured player of the last 5 years, isn't firepower.
didn't GS have the same'ish situation with Curry
LOL, Knicks would have bailed on Curry before his first deal was up. I believe the difference is that Curry is also a top notch facilitator as well as a great shooter, he got everyone on the same page. Curry was also younger I believe.
Rose still cant stay healthy, back problems are no joke. I see him wince every time he gets clocked, and usually it means he is out for at least a game. Thats something to be concerned about IMO.
Kyrie looked bad for a few years. Even his only year in college!
Rose played big minutes last nite.
Hard for any fan unless we can read his MRI know what is the real deal.
It stands to reason knicks won't resign him if he has a chronic back issue. I know "stands to Reason" and "Knicks" don't always flow in the same sentance, but hopefully this is not a start of an "Amare" type existance.
GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.
Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.
"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.
Symptom has to have a cause.
Was it muscular from a fall? Or spinal stenosis causing a vertebrae structure abnormality?
Big difference. Gustav has the answer, but does not know the question. More whistle in the graveyard.
Nalod wrote:Symptom has to have a cause.
Was it muscular from a fall? Or spinal stenosis causing a vertebrae structure abnormality?
Big difference. Gustav has the answer, but does not know the question. More whistle in the graveyard.
Nalod got into Phil's Triangle OG stash. My point is that we dont know what is causing this symptom. It could be nothing, it could be everything. But few seem bothered that its happening at all. Considering the track record of the player we are discussing getting a max deal, Nalod and friends are doing bong hits in the graveyard. 
GustavBahler wrote:Nalod wrote:Symptom has to have a cause.
Was it muscular from a fall? Or spinal stenosis causing a vertebrae structure abnormality?
Big difference. Gustav has the answer, but does not know the question. More whistle in the graveyard.
Nalod got into Phil's Triangle OG stash. My point is that we dont know what is causing this symptom. It could be nothing, it could be everything. But few seem bothered that its happening at all. Considering the track record of the player we are discussing getting a max deal, Nalod and friends are doing bong hits in the graveyard.
Gustav, I never said it was nothing. I said we don't know. Same with Noah the last few weeks. We don't know.
But one can project as if they do know.
We are discussing it on the internet, "We" are not phil or anyone that has any ability to sign off on the deal.
Deflecting as you do, is one symptom as well. Find me Phils stash and I'd be happy!!
GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.
"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.
Sometimes people just come back from an injury too soon. Saying he has a chronic injury based on missing a few games is as premature as it gets.
Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Nalod wrote:Symptom has to have a cause.
Was it muscular from a fall? Or spinal stenosis causing a vertebrae structure abnormality?
Big difference. Gustav has the answer, but does not know the question. More whistle in the graveyard.
Nalod got into Phil's Triangle OG stash. My point is that we dont know what is causing this symptom. It could be nothing, it could be everything. But few seem bothered that its happening at all. Considering the track record of the player we are discussing getting a max deal, Nalod and friends are doing bong hits in the graveyard.
Gustav, I never said it was nothing. I said we don't know. Same with Noah the last few weeks. We don't know.
But one can project as if they do know.
We are discussing it on the internet, "We" are not phil or anyone that has any ability to sign off on the deal.
Deflecting as you do, is one symptom as well. Find me Phils stash and I'd be happy!!
Didn't mean to harsh your buzz Nalod, lol. My point again is that something like back issues, missing games, is just another reminder of what you get with a player who has missed more games than anyone else in many years. Not worth risking a long term deal IMO.
Don't have to remind me of our lack of power in the process. That goes without saying. Still wont stop me (or anyone else) from voicing their opinions on the way the Knicks are run or should be run. Seems like an odd complaint on an Knicks Internet message board. Sure doesn't stop you from pontificating now does it?
Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.
"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.
Sometimes people just come back from an injury too soon. Saying he has a chronic injury based on missing a few games is as premature as it gets.
Rose said he was fully recovered, if he wasnt, the injury was more serious than he let on. Might go away, might not. Just one more reason to think twice about a long term deal.
GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.
"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.
Sometimes people just come back from an injury too soon. Saying he has a chronic injury based on missing a few games is as premature as it gets.
Rose said he was fully recovered, if he wasnt, the injury was more serious than he let on. Might go away, might not. Just one more reason to think twice about a long term deal.
That's not a reason!!! The decision will most likely come after we've seen a lot more basketball but what we do know is Nixluva was right to believe Rose, flaws and all could help this team win games 😜 No really tho Rose looked good and it's gonna be up to the staff to help him stay healthy. We'll see how that goes the rest of the way.
Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Willy G 2 #1 picks top 5 restricted for C J McCollum. That would give us Rose KP Melo and CJ--that 4th star would make us a team that would be able to compete evenly with Cleveland. We could move Lee to 6th man I dont think Portland is going to make that work.
Just say "NO" to trading picks. Stop being such a flop-flopper on our future.
The term is "flip-flopper," but you are right, since Briggs does seem to talk about draft picks a great deal, yet now is willing to dump them.
