Knicks · 4th star? (page 3)
Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Willy G 2 #1 picks top 5 restricted for C J McCollum. That would give us Rose KP Melo and CJ--that 4th star would make us a team that would be able to compete evenly with Cleveland. We could move Lee to 6th man I dont think Portland is going to make that work.Just say "NO" to trading picks. Stop being such a
flop-flopper on our future.
The term is "flip-flopper," but you are right, since Briggs does seem to talk about draft picks a great deal, yet now is willing to dump them.
knicks1248 wrote:First of all, you never trade big for small, 2nd, trading Willy when you have suspect Noah on deck, is not a wise move at all, 3rd cj is to damn small, 4th we already have 3 scorers, 5th our defense is the main reason we struggle, 6th im hoping chase can some how make it up to the big leagues and baker develops into a decent back up, and that cant happen with another high profile guard.
? You dont trade big for small? who says this? someone from 1983? How about you trade for great with unproven.
GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.
"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.
Sometimes people just come back from an injury too soon. Saying he has a chronic injury based on missing a few games is as premature as it gets.
Rose said he was fully recovered, if he wasnt, the injury was more serious than he let on. Might go away, might not. Just one more reason to think twice about a long term deal.
I don't pretend to know stuff. I think Phil thinks twice about a contract to Rose. But in the event he don't, he can look upon you for guidance!
Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.
"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.
Sometimes people just come back from an injury too soon. Saying he has a chronic injury based on missing a few games is as premature as it gets.
Rose said he was fully recovered, if he wasnt, the injury was more serious than he let on. Might go away, might not. Just one more reason to think twice about a long term deal.
I don't pretend to know stuff. I think Phil thinks twice about a contract to Rose. But in the event he don't, he can look upon you for guidance!
You're the genius who was all for bringing Kurt Rambis back as head coach. Forget that gem? That would have been like the Hindenburg crashing into the Titanic.
Where the fuck do you get off being so GD condescending? You were one of the biggest Melo haters on this board for years until you suddenly werent. Never passed up an opportunity to trash him. Now you make fun of people who do the exact same thing.
Exactly what contribution do you believe you are making to this board? Your opinion of what the Knicks should do? According to you, you dont do that. Everyone else does but you. I will have to remember that you arent actually talking about the Knicks, you're talking about people who talk about the Knicks. Sure thing there Nalod.
GustavBahler wrote:Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.
"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.
Sometimes people just come back from an injury too soon. Saying he has a chronic injury based on missing a few games is as premature as it gets.
Rose said he was fully recovered, if he wasnt, the injury was more serious than he let on. Might go away, might not. Just one more reason to think twice about a long term deal.
I don't pretend to know stuff. I think Phil thinks twice about a contract to Rose. But in the event he don't, he can look upon you for guidance!
You're the genius who was all for bringing Kurt Rambis back as head coach. Forget that gem? That would have been like the Hindenburg crashing into the Titanic.
Where the fuck do you get off being so GD condescending? You were one of the biggest Melo haters on this board for years until you suddenly werent. Never passed up an opportunity to trash him. Now you make fun of people who do the exact same thing.
Exactly what contribution do you believe you are making to this board? Your opinion of what the Knicks should do? According to you, you dont do that. Everyone else does but you. I will have to remember that you arent actually talking about the Knicks, you're talking about people who talk about the Knicks. Sure thing there Nalod.
Im like the George Karl of the UK. Can't take myself too seriously, so naturally can't you either. I have been here over 10 years with over 30,000 posts. What do I contribute? For one, I do state my opinion when it is as such, and I cite facts when they are available. I did the very popular "Melo vs. Bernard" thread mostly to down play the legend that is Bernard into the reality it was. It was good, and I stated why.
If anything, I gave the UK "Starphuch".
I am fully on record of not loving Melo thru and thru did not like the trade. In time, as a knick fan, I root for Melo's success and see him as one who has tried to up his game. Melo has matured. We all have.
I changed my mind about him as he changed his game. Im not a fan boy, but don't hate. Im open to Rose as well. We gave up little for him so the stakes are not high. I love KP.
My "Golden Mooby" was not so much hate on Melo, but those who fell for Dolans starphuching plan and hailed Melo as an accomplished savior. Thus I was condescending to the starphucher. With a "bare Cupboards" I understood our franchise was challenged, understood the reach that was Bargnani, and understood why we had to rely on JR smith. Understanding but not in favor.
As for Rambis or other coach, he lord of rings knows more than either of us. If he felt Rambis was the man, he would have hired him. Rambis was not hired for the job. I don't go by media. You think he caved to media and Dolan pressure. Prove it. Phil did his search in a totally unconventional manner and faked us all. What Nalod did was reserve judgement until it was announced.
Nalod will be condescending to those uninformed. I need not contribute as if Phil was in the room and is asking me what to do. What the knicks should do you ask? I have said often only trade picks if the player in return takes you to the next level right away. Develop players for they contribute as players or trade assets. Thus, I like Ron Baker and don't fault coach if he left him in too long. Chasson Randle is a good player, but I understand unless Rose was out for weeks, don't bring him up or sign anyone else. Rose came back. Some were calling for players outside the organization. Nalod even went to see Rangle play in person. I also bought my game experience to a thread, as I also did seeing the knicks In Charlotte. After the game Nalod, Phil and me went to a sushi bar, drank some $40 bottles of Saki and they picked my brain. Of course not. Nalod only knows what he sees or reads in the papers. Or in Books. And if its my opinion, Its stated. If its fact, I usually back it up. But I don't pretend to know shyt others don't.
You don't have to read my stuff. There are lots of guys I don't follow here. Some write long drawn out manifestos about players they want. I skip over the really long ones. You should skip mine. I don't have just one take as some do. I am the thinking mans knick fan which if such diatribe frustrates you, and it does, then it sounds condescending on your ears. I form my own opinions and don't mimic talk radio. I don't have an opinion of everything which might come across as non committal.
Truth be told, Im embarrassed over my post count. First few years I was rampant. Isiah does that to some people. I have contributed to poster melt downs, inflamed some to banishment, and even was asked by the owners to "knock if off" in a private memo. I respected that request. Now, Im like in the UK hall of fame. Like UK royalty. That's condescending. All royalty is. We know better.
While that is debatable, we don't make shyt up.
Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.
"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.
Sometimes people just come back from an injury too soon. Saying he has a chronic injury based on missing a few games is as premature as it gets.
Rose said he was fully recovered, if he wasnt, the injury was more serious than he let on. Might go away, might not. Just one more reason to think twice about a long term deal.
I don't pretend to know stuff. I think Phil thinks twice about a contract to Rose. But in the event he don't, he can look upon you for guidance!
You're the genius who was all for bringing Kurt Rambis back as head coach. Forget that gem? That would have been like the Hindenburg crashing into the Titanic.
Where the fuck do you get off being so GD condescending? You were one of the biggest Melo haters on this board for years until you suddenly werent. Never passed up an opportunity to trash him. Now you make fun of people who do the exact same thing.
Exactly what contribution do you believe you are making to this board? Your opinion of what the Knicks should do? According to you, you dont do that. Everyone else does but you. I will have to remember that you arent actually talking about the Knicks, you're talking about people who talk about the Knicks. Sure thing there Nalod.
Im like the George Karl of the UK. Can't take myself too seriously, so naturally can't you either. I have been here over 10 years with over 30,000 posts. What do I contribute? For one, I do state my opinion when it is as such, and I cite facts when they are available. I did the very popular "Melo vs. Bernard" thread mostly to down play the legend that is Bernard into the reality it was. It was good, and I stated why.
If anything, I gave the UK "Starphuch".I am fully on record of not loving Melo thru and thru did not like the trade. In time, as a knick fan, I root for Melo's success and see him as one who has tried to up his game. Melo has matured. We all have.
I changed my mind about him as he changed his game. Im not a fan boy, but don't hate. Im open to Rose as well. We gave up little for him so the stakes are not high. I love KP.My "Golden Mooby" was not so much hate on Melo, but those who fell for Dolans starphuching plan and hailed Melo as an accomplished savior. Thus I was condescending to the starphucher. With a "bare Cupboards" I understood our franchise was challenged, understood the reach that was Bargnani, and understood why we had to rely on JR smith. Understanding but not in favor.
As for Rambis or other coach, he lord of rings knows more than either of us. If he felt Rambis was the man, he would have hired him. Rambis was not hired for the job. I don't go by media. You think he caved to media and Dolan pressure. Prove it. Phil did his search in a totally unconventional manner and faked us all. What Nalod did was reserve judgement until it was announced.
Nalod will be condescending to those uninformed. I need not contribute as if Phil was in the room and is asking me what to do. What the knicks should do you ask? I have said often only trade picks if the player in return takes you to the next level right away. Develop players for they contribute as players or trade assets. Thus, I like Ron Baker and don't fault coach if he left him in too long. Chasson Randle is a good player, but I understand unless Rose was out for weeks, don't bring him up or sign anyone else. Rose came back. Some were calling for players outside the organization. Nalod even went to see Rangle play in person. I also bought my game experience to a thread, as I also did seeing the knicks In Charlotte. After the game Nalod, Phil and me went to a sushi bar, drank some $40 bottles of Saki and they picked my brain. Of course not. Nalod only knows what he sees or reads in the papers. Or in Books. And if its my opinion, Its stated. If its fact, I usually back it up. But I don't pretend to know shyt others don't.
You don't have to read my stuff. There are lots of guys I don't follow here. Some write long drawn out manifestos about players they want. I skip over the really long ones. You should skip mine. I don't have just one take as some do. I am the thinking mans knick fan which if such diatribe frustrates you, and it does, then it sounds condescending on your ears. I form my own opinions and don't mimic talk radio. I don't have an opinion of everything which might come across as non committal.
Truth be told, Im embarrassed over my post count. First few years I was rampant. Isiah does that to some people. I have contributed to poster melt downs, inflamed some to banishment, and even was asked by the owners to "knock if off" in a private memo. I respected that request. Now, Im like in the UK hall of fame. Like UK royalty. That's condescending. All royalty is. We know better.
While that is debatable, we don't make shyt up.
What a load of horseshit. You parrot everything Phil says, and if anyone disagrees with the job Phil is doing you talk about his rings like you had a part in winning them. You play it safe, agreeing with everything Phil does and talking down to people who disagree isnt a contribution, being a "thinking man",its smarmy fanboyism.
You were bringing up Phil's rings when I said it wasnt a good idea to bring a coach right out of the pros, with no experience, who was still a player. When I said that Phil should be more involved with his rookie coach, especially if he is going to force feed his system on said coach, out came more passive aggressive condescending bullshit about Phil knowing more than all of us.
Guess what genius? Phil admitted he was wrong to keep his distance, and that he should have become more involved. I was right, Phil was wrong. You were blowing Rambis about him sitting next to Phil in LA, while he was running the starters into the ground (after being eliminated from the playoffs) so he could keep the job. Even the players spoke up about it.
Almost eveyone here sticks their neck out and gives an opinion that didnt come from someone else. Not you. You really think bringing up Phil's rings as a response to everything, is being a "thinking man"? Really?
As for Melo. You were the one that spammed this board with all the "Lover/Hater" threads back when Melo first got here. Kept revisiting that fing trade over and over again. Did everything you could to divide the board into camps, which I called you out for repeatedly.. You loved that shit, still do.
Melo's game did not change so much for you to jump on the bandwagon as suddenly as you did. And you have no business criticizing others now for doing exactly the same thing you did. You were ChuckBuck and DK before they were.
As for reading your stuff, it would be a lot easier if you didnt respond to my replies which arent directed to you. If you are, Im going to tell you exactly what I feel about your Horseshit.
I dont care how long you've been here. Been coming here since the first week UK was set up when Martin sent out an invite on the old ESPN message board in 2001. Every post is my opinion, not something Im parroting off of someone else, right or wrong. When Im wrong I admit it, I dont hide behind Phil Jackson. Neither should you.
Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.
"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.
Sometimes people just come back from an injury too soon. Saying he has a chronic injury based on missing a few games is as premature as it gets.
Rose said he was fully recovered, if he wasnt, the injury was more serious than he let on. Might go away, might not. Just one more reason to think twice about a long term deal.
I don't pretend to know stuff. I think Phil thinks twice about a contract to Rose. But in the event he don't, he can look upon you for guidance!
You're the genius who was all for bringing Kurt Rambis back as head coach. Forget that gem? That would have been like the Hindenburg crashing into the Titanic.
Where the fuck do you get off being so GD condescending? You were one of the biggest Melo haters on this board for years until you suddenly werent. Never passed up an opportunity to trash him. Now you make fun of people who do the exact same thing.
Exactly what contribution do you believe you are making to this board? Your opinion of what the Knicks should do? According to you, you dont do that. Everyone else does but you. I will have to remember that you arent actually talking about the Knicks, you're talking about people who talk about the Knicks. Sure thing there Nalod.
Im like the George Karl of the UK. Can't take myself too seriously, so naturally can't you either. I have been here over 10 years with over 30,000 posts. What do I contribute? For one, I do state my opinion when it is as such, and I cite facts when they are available. I did the very popular "Melo vs. Bernard" thread mostly to down play the legend that is Bernard into the reality it was. It was good, and I stated why.
If anything, I gave the UK "Starphuch".I am fully on record of not loving Melo thru and thru did not like the trade. In time, as a knick fan, I root for Melo's success and see him as one who has tried to up his game. Melo has matured. We all have.
I changed my mind about him as he changed his game. Im not a fan boy, but don't hate. Im open to Rose as well. We gave up little for him so the stakes are not high. I love KP.My "Golden Mooby" was not so much hate on Melo, but those who fell for Dolans starphuching plan and hailed Melo as an accomplished savior. Thus I was condescending to the starphucher. With a "bare Cupboards" I understood our franchise was challenged, understood the reach that was Bargnani, and understood why we had to rely on JR smith. Understanding but not in favor.
As for Rambis or other coach, he lord of rings knows more than either of us. If he felt Rambis was the man, he would have hired him. Rambis was not hired for the job. I don't go by media. You think he caved to media and Dolan pressure. Prove it. Phil did his search in a totally unconventional manner and faked us all. What Nalod did was reserve judgement until it was announced.
Nalod will be condescending to those uninformed. I need not contribute as if Phil was in the room and is asking me what to do. What the knicks should do you ask? I have said often only trade picks if the player in return takes you to the next level right away. Develop players for they contribute as players or trade assets. Thus, I like Ron Baker and don't fault coach if he left him in too long. Chasson Randle is a good player, but I understand unless Rose was out for weeks, don't bring him up or sign anyone else. Rose came back. Some were calling for players outside the organization. Nalod even went to see Rangle play in person. I also bought my game experience to a thread, as I also did seeing the knicks In Charlotte. After the game Nalod, Phil and me went to a sushi bar, drank some $40 bottles of Saki and they picked my brain. Of course not. Nalod only knows what he sees or reads in the papers. Or in Books. And if its my opinion, Its stated. If its fact, I usually back it up. But I don't pretend to know shyt others don't.
You don't have to read my stuff. There are lots of guys I don't follow here. Some write long drawn out manifestos about players they want. I skip over the really long ones. You should skip mine. I don't have just one take as some do. I am the thinking mans knick fan which if such diatribe frustrates you, and it does, then it sounds condescending on your ears. I form my own opinions and don't mimic talk radio. I don't have an opinion of everything which might come across as non committal.
Truth be told, Im embarrassed over my post count. First few years I was rampant. Isiah does that to some people. I have contributed to poster melt downs, inflamed some to banishment, and even was asked by the owners to "knock if off" in a private memo. I respected that request. Now, Im like in the UK hall of fame. Like UK royalty. That's condescending. All royalty is. We know better.
While that is debatable, we don't make shyt up.
lol ok that was nice
GustavBahler wrote:Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Nalod wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If the Knicks are going to go this route of surrounding Melo with aging vets while he still has some game left in him, then we do need more firepower. Waiting on Willy and the other yoots to be higher level players is fine with me, but if we're going to be patient, lets go the development route while adding some vets on short deals, with KP as the main focus.Otherwise if its going to be Melo and what he has left in the tank, Phil should think real hard about bringing back Rose and his neverending health issues. Same goes for Noah if he doesn't play like a starter consistently.
There is going to be a lot of cap room to attract players. Melo wasnt enough to attract blue chips FAs, but the combination of Melo, KP, the improved bench, and the recent draft picks, might get the Knicks a second look.
This roster (if healthy) might get us to the second round, up to the conference finals, which is great. Still, I believe Phil might be able to field a better team by trade and free agency this summer while Melo is still an elite scorer. Would like to see Phil try to build a legit contender with a shelf life of more than a season, maybe two. If thats the best window we can hope for however, we still need more firepower.
We should be able to continue to build with this current group. Melo should age gracefully, and KP's improvements will override Melo's slight yearly decline. Rose can be resigned this summer for 4 years, and should be fine. That will take up the remainder of his prime and will expire when he is 32. I think Rose will remain at this level from 29-32, which would be his age during a new contract. We must draft well the next couple of years. Target players who can fit a specific role around our Big 3. Find talent where we can. If we are smart, we can continue to build on this group over the next 3-4 years, then regroup when Rose expires, Melo is done, and KP is just entering the early stages of his prime. Hopefully we will have drafted well over these next few years and have surrounded him with good talent.
Dont those back issues worry you at all? Projecting an even close to a healthy Rose beyond this week is foolhardy, let alone 3-4 years from now. Melo will age as gracefully as his body will let him. He will always have that stroke, but the ability to get an open look will diminish.
I would rather Knicks operate under the assumption that Melo has one, maybe two good years left after this. Believing he will age gracefully like a fine wine, will remove that sense of urgency. Would like to see a legit run at a title while Melo can ball at this level. This team as constructed, will not get us there IMO.
Still glad that we dont look sorry anymore, for the most part. At least not on offense.
Injuries can happen to any player at any time. I don't think Rose can be judged on the back injuries. Any time you spend big money on a player, you are gambling on their health. There are very few players in the league with a clean injury slate as it is. I don't want to move towards an increased sense of urgency, because i don't see a big window of opportunity yet. When we are ready to compete for a title, KP will have to be ready to lead the way. I don't think we are there yet. We might be closer than initially thought, but the last thing we need to do is jump the gun like we have so often. We need to just enjoy the improvements that are going on right now. We are in a great position with draft picks, young pieces, and ways to improve. Melo's prime is over, but he can still take over games and will age well if we aren't allowing him to do a lot of heavy lifting. Rose is a gamble, but unless another reasonable replacement comes up this summer, we almost have to reign him. Finding a player to do what Rose is doing for us now will be almost impossible.
Finding another player with a worse track of staying healthy would be impossible. Really surprised considering Rose is suffering from yet another chronic injury (a potentially serious one) that folks still want to give him a long term deal. After Eddy Curry, Stat, how many times do we want to go down this road? We have a potential superstar in the making in KP, why risk such a big cap hit on the biggest gamble in this league? Remember all those players we couldnt sign because of Stat and Curry's respective cap hit.
Its all a crap shoot when it comes to injuries, but you can increase your odds by avoiding giving cap killing, long term deals to players who cant stay healhy for long, no matter how good they are. Thats Rose.
Another chronic injury? Back spasms is an injury that can result of many things. I have yet to see anyone describe it as "chronic." Not every injury you can have is a chronic one.
"Spasms" are a symptom. Rose said that he was 100 percent after the first time he got hurt. Took a hard foul when he was 100 percent, and missed several more games. Thats a chronic injury. It all sounds like a lot of whistling past the graveyard.
Sometimes people just come back from an injury too soon. Saying he has a chronic injury based on missing a few games is as premature as it gets.
Rose said he was fully recovered, if he wasnt, the injury was more serious than he let on. Might go away, might not. Just one more reason to think twice about a long term deal.
I don't pretend to know stuff. I think Phil thinks twice about a contract to Rose. But in the event he don't, he can look upon you for guidance!
You're the genius who was all for bringing Kurt Rambis back as head coach. Forget that gem? That would have been like the Hindenburg crashing into the Titanic.
Where the fuck do you get off being so GD condescending? You were one of the biggest Melo haters on this board for years until you suddenly werent. Never passed up an opportunity to trash him. Now you make fun of people who do the exact same thing.
Exactly what contribution do you believe you are making to this board? Your opinion of what the Knicks should do? According to you, you dont do that. Everyone else does but you. I will have to remember that you arent actually talking about the Knicks, you're talking about people who talk about the Knicks. Sure thing there Nalod.
Im like the George Karl of the UK. Can't take myself too seriously, so naturally can't you either. I have been here over 10 years with over 30,000 posts. What do I contribute? For one, I do state my opinion when it is as such, and I cite facts when they are available. I did the very popular "Melo vs. Bernard" thread mostly to down play the legend that is Bernard into the reality it was. It was good, and I stated why.
If anything, I gave the UK "Starphuch".I am fully on record of not loving Melo thru and thru did not like the trade. In time, as a knick fan, I root for Melo's success and see him as one who has tried to up his game. Melo has matured. We all have.
I changed my mind about him as he changed his game. Im not a fan boy, but don't hate. Im open to Rose as well. We gave up little for him so the stakes are not high. I love KP.My "Golden Mooby" was not so much hate on Melo, but those who fell for Dolans starphuching plan and hailed Melo as an accomplished savior. Thus I was condescending to the starphucher. With a "bare Cupboards" I understood our franchise was challenged, understood the reach that was Bargnani, and understood why we had to rely on JR smith. Understanding but not in favor.
As for Rambis or other coach, he lord of rings knows more than either of us. If he felt Rambis was the man, he would have hired him. Rambis was not hired for the job. I don't go by media. You think he caved to media and Dolan pressure. Prove it. Phil did his search in a totally unconventional manner and faked us all. What Nalod did was reserve judgement until it was announced.
Nalod will be condescending to those uninformed. I need not contribute as if Phil was in the room and is asking me what to do. What the knicks should do you ask? I have said often only trade picks if the player in return takes you to the next level right away. Develop players for they contribute as players or trade assets. Thus, I like Ron Baker and don't fault coach if he left him in too long. Chasson Randle is a good player, but I understand unless Rose was out for weeks, don't bring him up or sign anyone else. Rose came back. Some were calling for players outside the organization. Nalod even went to see Rangle play in person. I also bought my game experience to a thread, as I also did seeing the knicks In Charlotte. After the game Nalod, Phil and me went to a sushi bar, drank some $40 bottles of Saki and they picked my brain. Of course not. Nalod only knows what he sees or reads in the papers. Or in Books. And if its my opinion, Its stated. If its fact, I usually back it up. But I don't pretend to know shyt others don't.
You don't have to read my stuff. There are lots of guys I don't follow here. Some write long drawn out manifestos about players they want. I skip over the really long ones. You should skip mine. I don't have just one take as some do. I am the thinking mans knick fan which if such diatribe frustrates you, and it does, then it sounds condescending on your ears. I form my own opinions and don't mimic talk radio. I don't have an opinion of everything which might come across as non committal.
Truth be told, Im embarrassed over my post count. First few years I was rampant. Isiah does that to some people. I have contributed to poster melt downs, inflamed some to banishment, and even was asked by the owners to "knock if off" in a private memo. I respected that request. Now, Im like in the UK hall of fame. Like UK royalty. That's condescending. All royalty is. We know better.
While that is debatable, we don't make shyt up.What a load of horseshit. You parrot everything Phil says, and if anyone disagrees with the job Phil is doing you talk about his rings like you had a part in winning them. You play it safe, agreeing with everything Phil does and talking down to people who disagree isnt a contribution, being a "thinking man",its smarmy fanboyism.
You were bringing up Phil's rings when I said it wasnt a good idea to bring a coach right out of the pros, with no experience, who was still a player. When I said that Phil should be more involved with his rookie coach, especially if he is going to force feed his system on said coach, out came more passive aggressive condescending bullshit about Phil knowing more than all of us.
Guess what genius? Phil admitted he was wrong to keep his distance, and that he should have become more involved. I was right, Phil was wrong. You were blowing Rambis about him sitting next to Phil in LA, while he was running the starters into the ground (after being eliminated from the playoffs) so he could keep the job. Even the players spoke up about it.
Almost eveyone here sticks their neck out and gives an opinion that didnt come from someone else. Not you. You really think bringing up Phil's rings as a response to everything, is being a "thinking man"? Really?
As for Melo. You were the one that spammed this board with all the "Lover/Hater" threads back when Melo first got here. Kept revisiting that fing trade over and over again. Did everything you could to divide the board into camps, which I called you out for repeatedly.. You loved that shit, still do.
Melo's game did not change so much for you to jump on the bandwagon as suddenly as you did. And you have no business criticizing others now for doing exactly the same thing you did. You were ChuckBuck and DK before they were.
As for reading your stuff, it would be a lot easier if you didnt respond to my replies which arent directed to you. If you are, Im going to tell you exactly what I feel about your Horseshit.
I dont care how long you've been here. Been coming here since the first week UK was set up when Martin sent out an invite on the old ESPN message board in 2001. Every post is my opinion, not something Im parroting off of someone else, right or wrong. When Im wrong I admit it, I dont hide behind Phil Jackson. Neither should you.
"Phil was wrong, I was right"! Well, there it iS. In our little chat where sarcasm is lost on you we have our "YOU WANT THE TRUTH, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH, I GAVE THE ORDER"........moment!!!!
I agitated that out of you. Your empowered by your little victory that you were right about fish. Phil was wrong.
In all of it I am consistent about the process. The process PHil employs is far from perfect, he even admits it. Pop makes mistakes, Riley makes mistakes and they are secure enough to fix it. Phil treated Fish like a player and wanted him to figure it out. Think is, you were right, but only when the problem was in plain sight. Until then, you threw out how many hypothesis's?
In my view, Phil fired fish, didn't hire Rambis, and then hired Jeff. If the lord of the rings thought Rambis was the man, then perhaps he would be. But he didn't. You were not right because he was never wrong unless you took the bait that the media ranted about Phil hiring Rambis. Your out is likely he was didn't because the media or dolan didn't want him? Phil walks to his own beat, it was evident in hindsight he had his own agenda and was not making his process public. And you had no clue. None of us did, but not everyone pretended to know otherwise.
I stand corrected if you can prove Rambis was Phils pick and outside forces convinced him otherwise. I say Rambis did not make playoffs and players not thrilled with his communication style did him in.
I will always trust Phils process and decision making, including not being afraid to make a mistake over myself, or any UK poster. All I said was if Rambis as phil's pick, then I'll roll with that and trust his process was in the best interest of the team. NOt the money grab or return of a favor some were spewing as his reasons.
yellowboy90 wrote:The Knicks could simply go after Lou Williams and keep Willy and would probably not need to give up two #1s.
How about Will Barton? I brought him up earlier in the thread. Real potent offensive player that shouldn't cost as much as CJ McCollum. There'd probably be some competition out there for him, though.
I can't see Portland giving up on him... they just need more front court help.
Terrible decision by Portland to give Crabbe and Turner $150M. Can't believe some here wanted to give Crabbe $70M. I actually like Evan Turner, but he's a terrible fit for that offense.
crzymdups wrote:I think that cost is very high for McCollum... but I will say, he's the closest thing in the NBA to early 90s Starks, imho.I can't see Portland giving up on him... they just need more front court help.
Terrible decision by Portland to give Crabbe and Turner $150M. Can't believe some here wanted to give Crabbe $70M. I actually like Evan Turner, but he's a terrible fit for that offense.
I think Turner was a bad investment but Crabbe is basically doing what Lee is doing here but at a higher efficiency. Defensively it seems like he has not taken the step that they were hoping for maybe but with Crabbe they were paying for youth and because of his youth they will be able to trade him if they want. Portland problem is Evan, Leonard(I was wrong on him), and Aminu.
To lose him for no compensation might not have been acceptable to Portlands owner.
Jmpasq wrote:the offense is not the problem anyone watching the celtics game could see clear as daybthis team has neither the want or skill to get stops
The defense wasn't as bad as you think, we scored 114 points, what does that make Boston defense look like. Half of the 17 turnovers were unforced, and teams capitalize on that.
The rockets have some of the worse defenders of any team in the NBA, yet they light the scoreboard up like a xmas tree.
There is no defense that can stop ball movement and spacing
knicks1248 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:the offense is not the problem anyone watching the celtics game could see clear as daybthis team has neither the want or skill to get stops
The defense wasn't as bad as you think, we scored 114 points, what does that make Boston defense look like. Half of the 17 turnovers were unforced, and teams capitalize on that.The rockets have some of the worse defenders of any team in the NBA, yet they light the scoreboard up like a xmas tree.
There is no defense that can stop ball movement and spacing
The Rockets have Patrick Beverly, Corey Brewer and Trevor Ariza, three of the better perimeter defenders in the league. Plus, throw in guys like Nene, Dekker, Montrezl Harrell to throw at guys depending on the matchup. We don't really have that versatility on the defensive end and it shows when we play teams with half a clue on offense. It really shows when we get toyed with by the elite teams. Defense is the area we need to improve to from being a decent team to being good.