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Stevo718 wrote:My observations:Rose started out of control/taking bad shots but now has settled down and is actually playing really well for us.
Jennings started really controlled and was making great passes taking good shots now he has been playing a little out of control and taking worse shots. Horny needs to show him tape of earlier games and get him back to that form.
Courtney Lee is fine I like him and if we were passing the ball better/more often his numbers would definitely go up. He doesn't change the game but needs to get more open looks if we want to maximize his talent.
Holiday-- I like him and I feel like he needs a system to thrive.
Kuzminskas-- Like him also but I feel like in those limited minutes he plays he is trying to impress and is taking a little too many shots sometimes.
Baker-- instant spark of energy, like him a lot, cant say anything bad about him hes a rookie and plays hard
Lance-- this is what your gonna get from him, nothing better nothing worse, definitely tradable, tries hard hes just limited talent wise, not knocking the guy.
Melo-- Melo gonna be Melo, but he is realizing that he has other scoring options on the team now and I have seen it this season that he sharing the Garden with Porzingis. Still has the same moves, catches the ball in the same spots wont run catch and shoot, same isolation stuff, gets away with it on talent alone, I think he realizes he has a diminishing role on scoring at least. Was playing with the team great then the second game they had with the Cavs he went back to OLD MELO cause his homie LeBron was there so had to show he was still the MAIN STAR on the team. He will never mature, but that's okay now cause we have a supporting cast.
Porzingis-- I am getting worried about his development. First he cant get the post-up pass, he has enough size to where he should be able to get that post-up pass 90% of the time, they need to work on this with him. Number two- there was a stretch when he was dribbling under his legs trying to do crossovers everygame, and doing only ISO wtf!!! He seems to be learning bad habits from Melo!!! When Porzingis lets the game come to him he is UNSTOPPABLE when he forces throughout the whole game he ends up 3-15 or 4-18 etc. Also when he has no arch in his shot his percentage goes WAAAAY down when he does he makes long threes, anyone notice that?
Noah/OQuinn/Gomez--- I'm fine with a rotation of Noah OQuinn and Gomez, cant ask for anything more out of OQuinn he has been doing an AWESOME job for us. Noah needs to step up but can he??? Gomez, man I love this kid, not the most talented out there but knows what he can and cannot do, has a great bball IQ and has great footwork. Can he teach Porzingis his post moves and great passing? I mean he ran a fast break once by himself! The Knicks had a stretch when everytime they put in Gomez, Jennings and their second unit they were playing amazing.
Things that are encouraging:
We are fifth in offensive rebounding.
Almost the entire team can shoot the ball (except Noah) (Even OQuin has that automatic 20 footer)
We are actually REALLY GOOD on ONE on ONE defense I think our defense is bad because we are trying to overdo our help defense and leaving someone open. I really do think we have good enough man to man defense to not have to help with anyone else that isn't named LeBron, Westbrook etc.
Porzingis defense at the basket changes the game, I have seen him alter so many shots and force teams to rely on the three point game except (read above statement) we are overdoing our help defense.
Our biggest need right now is not a trade but better PASSING. When we pass we win... PERIOD. We have THREE guys that have the ability to score almost at will. But we force too many shots and when the best players on the team have the habit of doing that it is infectious. Like I said before Porzingis seems like he is taking a few pages from Melos book and I don't like that.
PASS PASS PASS.
i like this assessment but would add more intensity and consistency on defense -- full 48 minutes
Knicks67 wrote:We have seen a good sample size of this team now, I'd like to know how people think the Knicks will go for the rest of the year, First round? Second Round? Conference finals? I think second round personally, I believe that is a realistic goal to set ourselves this season. That just means getting a decently high seed and taking out another average East team, very achievable.
Just miss the playoffs at .500
Jmpasq wrote:Knicks67 wrote:We have seen a good sample size of this team now, I'd like to know how people think the Knicks will go for the rest of the year, First round? Second Round? Conference finals? I think second round personally, I believe that is a realistic goal to set ourselves this season. That just means getting a decently high seed and taking out another average East team, very achievable.Just miss the playoffs at .500
Do you think that would make Melo rethink his no trade clause if for whatever reason the Knicks missed the playoffs? I wouldn't be surprised if it did
Knicks67 wrote:I don't think there is anyway they miss the playoffs if Melo is healthy. Saw something on reddit. Knicks are 8-6Jmpasq wrote:Knicks67 wrote:We have seen a good sample size of this team now, I'd like to know how people think the Knicks will go for the rest of the year, First round? Second Round? Conference finals? I think second round personally, I believe that is a realistic goal to set ourselves this season. That just means getting a decently high seed and taking out another average East team, very achievable.Just miss the playoffs at .500
Do you think that would make Melo rethink his no trade clause if for whatever reason the Knicks missed the playoffs? I wouldn't be surprised if it did
over their last 14. For the 6 losses only 1 had all three of Rose, KP and Melo playing normal minutes. The Knicks win last night if Melo played. Not sure why the trade Melo stuff keeps coming up with the ntc and the 0-13 record when Melo doesn't play.
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks67 wrote:I don't think there is anyway they miss the playoffs if Melo is healthy. Saw something on reddit. Knicks are 8-6Jmpasq wrote:Knicks67 wrote:We have seen a good sample size of this team now, I'd like to know how people think the Knicks will go for the rest of the year, First round? Second Round? Conference finals? I think second round personally, I believe that is a realistic goal to set ourselves this season. That just means getting a decently high seed and taking out another average East team, very achievable.Just miss the playoffs at .500
Do you think that would make Melo rethink his no trade clause if for whatever reason the Knicks missed the playoffs? I wouldn't be surprised if it did
over their last 14. For the 6 losses only 1 had all three of Rose, KP and Melo playing normal minutes. The Knicks win last night if Melo played. Not sure why the trade Melo stuff keeps coming up with the ntc and the 0-13 record when Melo doesn't play.
+1
Don't bother the man with facts. We just need to get rid of our best player, NOW.
Notice that the "It's time to make this KP's team" thread didn't rematerialize after the last loss without Melo?
How about a whole thread about who you would trade Melo straight up for? SMH
jrodmc wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks67 wrote:I don't think there is anyway they miss the playoffs if Melo is healthy. Saw something on reddit. Knicks are 8-6Jmpasq wrote:Knicks67 wrote:We have seen a good sample size of this team now, I'd like to know how people think the Knicks will go for the rest of the year, First round? Second Round? Conference finals? I think second round personally, I believe that is a realistic goal to set ourselves this season. That just means getting a decently high seed and taking out another average East team, very achievable.Just miss the playoffs at .500
Do you think that would make Melo rethink his no trade clause if for whatever reason the Knicks missed the playoffs? I wouldn't be surprised if it did
over their last 14. For the 6 losses only 1 had all three of Rose, KP and Melo playing normal minutes. The Knicks win last night if Melo played. Not sure why the trade Melo stuff keeps coming up with the ntc and the 0-13 record when Melo doesn't play.
+1
Don't bother the man with facts. We just need to get rid of our best player, NOW.
Notice that the "It's time to make this KP's team" thread didn't rematerialize after the last loss without Melo?How about a whole thread about who you would trade Melo straight up for? SMH
Melo moment will come after we will miss playoffs or will be bumped from 1st round.
He will come to Phil and will ask what now? I have one year left to get to the top.
And depending on what he will be promised he will make a decision.
It is Melo decision not Knicks.
arkrud wrote:jrodmc wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks67 wrote:I don't think there is anyway they miss the playoffs if Melo is healthy. Saw something on reddit. Knicks are 8-6Jmpasq wrote:Knicks67 wrote:We have seen a good sample size of this team now, I'd like to know how people think the Knicks will go for the rest of the year, First round? Second Round? Conference finals? I think second round personally, I believe that is a realistic goal to set ourselves this season. That just means getting a decently high seed and taking out another average East team, very achievable.Just miss the playoffs at .500
Do you think that would make Melo rethink his no trade clause if for whatever reason the Knicks missed the playoffs? I wouldn't be surprised if it did
over their last 14. For the 6 losses only 1 had all three of Rose, KP and Melo playing normal minutes. The Knicks win last night if Melo played. Not sure why the trade Melo stuff keeps coming up with the ntc and the 0-13 record when Melo doesn't play.
+1
Don't bother the man with facts. We just need to get rid of our best player, NOW.
Notice that the "It's time to make this KP's team" thread didn't rematerialize after the last loss without Melo?How about a whole thread about who you would trade Melo straight up for? SMH
Melo moment will come after we will miss playoffs or will be bumped from 1st round.
He will come to Phil and will ask what now? I have one year left to get to the top.
And depending on what he will be promised he will make a decision.
It is Melo decision not Knicks.
Melo needs to realize this should be enough. He has an emerging star in KP, a PG who demands a lot of attention, a good coach, and quality role players. At some point he needs to realize he should lead this group to contention if he's a star player. This is the team he has always wanted in NY and now he has it.
Knixkik wrote:arkrud wrote:jrodmc wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks67 wrote:I don't think there is anyway they miss the playoffs if Melo is healthy. Saw something on reddit. Knicks are 8-6Jmpasq wrote:Knicks67 wrote:We have seen a good sample size of this team now, I'd like to know how people think the Knicks will go for the rest of the year, First round? Second Round? Conference finals? I think second round personally, I believe that is a realistic goal to set ourselves this season. That just means getting a decently high seed and taking out another average East team, very achievable.Just miss the playoffs at .500
Do you think that would make Melo rethink his no trade clause if for whatever reason the Knicks missed the playoffs? I wouldn't be surprised if it did
over their last 14. For the 6 losses only 1 had all three of Rose, KP and Melo playing normal minutes. The Knicks win last night if Melo played. Not sure why the trade Melo stuff keeps coming up with the ntc and the 0-13 record when Melo doesn't play.
+1
Don't bother the man with facts. We just need to get rid of our best player, NOW.
Notice that the "It's time to make this KP's team" thread didn't rematerialize after the last loss without Melo?How about a whole thread about who you would trade Melo straight up for? SMH
Melo moment will come after we will miss playoffs or will be bumped from 1st round.
He will come to Phil and will ask what now? I have one year left to get to the top.
And depending on what he will be promised he will make a decision.
It is Melo decision not Knicks.
Melo needs to realize this should be enough. He has an emerging star in KP, a PG who demands a lot of attention, a good coach, and quality role players. At some point he needs to realize he should lead this group to contention if he's a star player. This is the team he has always wanted in NY and now he has it.
Exactly. This or join other team which contends and need extra piece.
He will need to decide if he believes in Knicks near future or not.
Vmart wrote:The winning has to start now. This team has veteran players and a good mix of young players. Why aren't they winning more consistently? Does anyone know why? Its starting to get very very tiring waiting on this team.In 5 of their last 6 losses they haven't had one of KP, Melo, or Rose. They would have beaten Atlanta if Melo didn't get thrown out. They probably win if Lee played even with Melo out. Three new starters, a new coach, a new bench rotation, etc. They are continuing to gel and get better. I think they finish somewhere in the 4-8 range for a playoff spot.
This is the best team we've had in several years but we are miles off competing at the business end of the season. We still need some significant starting upgrades and added depth to the bench.
magicTs wrote:I think we end up 7th or 8th. Given our road record we have no chance of advancing beyond the first round. And that's with everyone fit.This is the best team we've had in several years but we are miles off competing at the business end of the season. We still need some significant starting upgrades and added depth to the bench.
its not happening it sucks we are tied to Noah if they had that 18 million they might be able to get a difference maker