George Karl is a serious @ss...Now he's throwing players he never coached and doesn't know under the bus. Wow! Heard on first take today that the reason the Sacramento stuff will not be in the book is because when he was let go by the Kings, he signed-off that he cannot discuss the Knings in anyway or he would be sued and lose the money he still has coming to him from the Kings. In other words, he wants the money owed-to him by the Kings, so he omitted it from the book.
George is a bigger ego-maniac than the players he's accusing of being selfish, etc...
Uptown wrote:George Karl is a serious @ss...Now he's throwing players he never coached and doesn't know under the bus. Wow! Heard on first take today that the reason the Sacramento stuff will not be in the book is because when he was let go by the Kings, he signed-off that he cannot discuss the Knings in anyway or he would be sued and lose the money he still has coming to him from the Kings. In other words, he wants the money owed-to him by the Kings, so he omitted it from the book. George is a bigger ego-maniac than the players he's accusing of being selfish, etc...
He shouldn't be commenting on other teams player or players he never coached. But honestly I'm liking what he is saying and it might be the truth. Some of it might be over the top but he is speaking his mind. Free country right.
George Karl seems to be content losing all his friends and respect around the league. It says a lot about him as a human being, but i am sure enjoying the rant and reactions. It's pure entertainment for us.
Knixkik wrote:George Karl seems to be content losing all his friends and respect around the league. It says a lot about him as a human being, but i am sure enjoying the rant and reactions. It's pure entertainment for us.
I have heard Stotts on podcasts before talk about Karl. He has always been very complimentary of him. This had to really get under his skin.
Not defending Karl at all. He is not going about things the right way
Having said that, I think there is a kernel of truth in a lot of what he says, but he amplifies things and certainly lacks tact
Chandler wrote:Not defending Karl at all. He is not going about things the right wayHaving said that, I think there is a kernel of truth in a lot of what he says, but he amplifies things and certainly lacks tact
Hmmmmm.... Sounds like someone we hear from a lot these days (not on this forum, where he is simply discussed).
WaltLongmire wrote:Chandler wrote:Not defending Karl at all. He is not going about things the right wayHaving said that, I think there is a kernel of truth in a lot of what he says, but he amplifies things and certainly lacks tact
Hmmmmm.... Sounds like someone we hear from a lot these days (not on this forum, where he is simply discussed).
true but there's such a difference in degree it's a difference in kind, no?
How much does Karl stand to make from this book? He already has millions (got $15mil last year for 1 season of coaching), don't know why someone would destroy their own reputation and burn all their bridges to make a bit more of what they don't really need.
I guess nobody read the book, we all getting mad based on others reacting to the previews and portions released.
karl has said he regrets the way stuff came out and said martin is a good father himself to his boys.
Karl is abrasive, divorced, not so great father himself, absorbed in his career, very successful in the big picture being no. 5 in a long ass list, and very wealthy. Karl was never known as being a "great guy", so I suppose his book should be no shock.
Im concerned about his PED claim. Usually was blow it off (Canseco comes to mind) as a bitter person but then later it proves true.
We don't have the rash of younger deaths like in football but there are so many more ex NFL players than NBA, and guys like Tractor Traylor and Kevin duckworth does come to mind as guys that died very young, especially in that PED era. Jordan would be a prime candidate as he was superman, arrogant, and seemingly never injured. one might have to marvel at Lebron for the same reason. Jordans mid career "retirement" is always a mystery to me. Was it gambling related? PED related? Mental state related? Criminally related? I don't know. His father murdered the way he was is also a mystery. Guys just don't usually get killed at rest stops taking a nap and its randomly Jordans dad.
Karl might have felt he got a bad rap a few times and wanted to tell his story. The man I guess has an ego which kept him in the league a long time. I won't read it, but I'd like to read someones impressions after they have.
smackeddog wrote:How much does Karl stand to make from this book? He already has millions (got $15mil last year for 1 season of coaching), don't know why someone would destroy their own reputation and burn all their bridges to make a bit more of what they don't really need.
The first thing one learns about azzholes is they smell bad to everyone but themselves. I'm sure ol George thinks everyone's dying to hear his fabulously interesting insights and the many reasons why he's not going to be remembered in the same vein as Red Auerbach. Or Red Holzman. Or even Larry Brown.
He's survived cancer. He's got cash. Apparently he needs the attention. Not surprising, but pretty sad, actually.
Next.
Nalod wrote:I guess nobody read the book, we all getting mad based on others reacting to the previews and portions released.
karl has said he regrets the way stuff came out and said martin is a good father himself to his boys.
Karl is abrasive, divorced, not so great father himself, absorbed in his career, very successful in the big picture being no. 5 in a long ass list, and very wealthy. Karl was never known as being a "great guy", so I suppose his book should be no shock.
Im concerned about his PED claim. Usually was blow it off (Canseco comes to mind) as a bitter person but then later it proves true.
We don't have the rash of younger deaths like in football but there are so many more ex NFL players than NBA, and guys like Tractor Traylor and Kevin duckworth does come to mind as guys that died very young, especially in that PED era. Jordan would be a prime candidate as he was superman, arrogant, and seemingly never injured. one might have to marvel at Lebron for the same reason. Jordans mid career "retirement" is always a mystery to me. Was it gambling related? PED related? Mental state related? Criminally related? I don't know. His father murdered the way he was is also a mystery. Guys just don't usually get killed at rest stops taking a nap and its randomly Jordans dad. Karl might have felt he got a bad rap a few times and wanted to tell his story. The man I guess has an ego which kept him in the league a long time. I won't read it, but I'd like to read someones impressions after they have.
Stotts quotes were about Karl talking about Damian Lillard in an interview he did with NY Magazine. Karl criticized Lillard in part because he said he knows Stotts is a good coach so there has to be a problem with the point guard. Stotts came out strong because Karl doesn't know the situation, hasn't coached Lillard, and didn't like Karl implying the things he did. (I guess somebody didn't listen to the interview?)
CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:I guess nobody read the book, we all getting mad based on others reacting to the previews and portions released.
karl has said he regrets the way stuff came out and said martin is a good father himself to his boys.
Karl is abrasive, divorced, not so great father himself, absorbed in his career, very successful in the big picture being no. 5 in a long ass list, and very wealthy. Karl was never known as being a "great guy", so I suppose his book should be no shock.
Im concerned about his PED claim. Usually was blow it off (Canseco comes to mind) as a bitter person but then later it proves true.
We don't have the rash of younger deaths like in football but there are so many more ex NFL players than NBA, and guys like Tractor Traylor and Kevin duckworth does come to mind as guys that died very young, especially in that PED era. Jordan would be a prime candidate as he was superman, arrogant, and seemingly never injured. one might have to marvel at Lebron for the same reason. Jordans mid career "retirement" is always a mystery to me. Was it gambling related? PED related? Mental state related? Criminally related? I don't know. His father murdered the way he was is also a mystery. Guys just don't usually get killed at rest stops taking a nap and its randomly Jordans dad. Karl might have felt he got a bad rap a few times and wanted to tell his story. The man I guess has an ego which kept him in the league a long time. I won't read it, but I'd like to read someones impressions after they have.
Stotts quotes were about Karl talking about Damian Lillard in an interview he did with NY Magazine. Karl criticized Lillard in part because he said he knows Stotts is a good coach so there has to be a problem with the point guard. Stotts came out strong because Karl doesn't know the situation, hasn't coached Lillard, and didn't like Karl implying the things he did. (I guess somebody didn't listen to the interview?)
No I didn't. Im talking about the book. Somtimes things are taken out of context. Karl might be fine with it as it sells books, then it gets put in its proper place.
And no, Im not defending Karl. ONly thing i defend is guys like Don Nelson and Karl (Sloan to a far lessor extent) don't get respect because they lack a chip as if over 1000 victories are somehow easy.
My point is we should not discount what he says because we don't like it.
I totally agree about taking things out of context. I think if you can you need to see it and hear it especially with the NY media. In the case of Karl talking about Lillard, he wasn't one of his players and Karl hadn't coached him. He shouldn't have gone there. His comments about Stotts were complimentary in the interview. Also, I have heard Stotts speak very positively about his experiences with Karl.
Karl didnt burn the bridge, he blew it up. What a cynical way to end your career. Hope I dont have to push the mute button because Karl has a job covering the NBA.
Nalod wrote:Im concerned about his PED claim. Usually was blow it off (Canseco comes to mind) as a bitter person but then later it proves true.
We don't have the rash of younger deaths like in football but there are so many more ex NFL players than NBA, and guys like Tractor Traylor and Kevin duckworth does come to mind as guys that died very young, especially in that PED era.
It's easy to dismiss these claims as well, since it's all based on anecdotal evidence. Even guys like Duckworth and Taylor can be attributed to the fact that they didn't look particularly healthy when they played. Personally, I have no real problem with guys taking PEDs. Their bodies are their livelihoods. The schedule of a typical NBA player is unnatural, especially when you factor in the injuries. The dangers are a bit overstated when you consider they are being monitored by some of the best medical staffs in the world.
BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:Im concerned about his PED claim. Usually was blow it off (Canseco comes to mind) as a bitter person but then later it proves true.
We don't have the rash of younger deaths like in football but there are so many more ex NFL players than NBA, and guys like Tractor Traylor and Kevin duckworth does come to mind as guys that died very young, especially in that PED era.
It's easy to dismiss these claims as well, since it's all based on anecdotal evidence. Even guys like Duckworth and Taylor can be attributed to the fact that they didn't look particularly healthy when they played. Personally, I have no real problem with guys taking PEDs. Their bodies are their livelihoods. The schedule of a typical NBA player is unnatural, especially when you factor in the injuries. The dangers are a bit overstated when you consider they are being monitored by some of the best medical staffs in the world.
I'd have to say that if you can play in the NBA, your not in bad shape. THere was an era of some chubby guys that played, including sweetney and Eddy, but that era has passed.
Still, you don't get to the level if you out of shape.
Its not the guys in the NBA that necessarily concerns me, its the guys that don't have world class medical staffs behind them.
But lets not forget, PED's are not legal and players can't have a paper trail or accountability for what is going on. Teams physicians cannot be associated with it.
A child losing his father, a women losing husband, mother a son.....all are "his livelyhood" but at what costs.
A player juicing for a contract then stopping is fraudulent and fans suffer when teams are capped out.
I suppose we as fans should not care what these guys do to themselves, but it does trickle down. Do I want players in college to juice to get to the next level despite long odds they can make it? no, not really.
Nalod wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:Im concerned about his PED claim. Usually was blow it off (Canseco comes to mind) as a bitter person but then later it proves true.
We don't have the rash of younger deaths like in football but there are so many more ex NFL players than NBA, and guys like Tractor Traylor and Kevin duckworth does come to mind as guys that died very young, especially in that PED era.
It's easy to dismiss these claims as well, since it's all based on anecdotal evidence. Even guys like Duckworth and Taylor can be attributed to the fact that they didn't look particularly healthy when they played. Personally, I have no real problem with guys taking PEDs. Their bodies are their livelihoods. The schedule of a typical NBA player is unnatural, especially when you factor in the injuries. The dangers are a bit overstated when you consider they are being monitored by some of the best medical staffs in the world.
I'd have to say that if you can play in the NBA, your not in bad shape. THere was an era of some chubby guys that played, including sweetney and Eddy, but that era has passed.
Still, you don't get to the level if you out of shape.
Its not the guys in the NBA that necessarily concerns me, its the guys that don't have world class medical staffs behind them.
But lets not forget, PED's are not legal and players can't have a paper trail or accountability for what is going on. Teams physicians cannot be associated with it.
A child losing his father, a women losing husband, mother a son.....all are "his livelyhood" but at what costs.
A player juicing for a contract then stopping is fraudulent and fans suffer when teams are capped out.
I suppose we as fans should not care what these guys do to themselves, but it does trickle down. Do I want players in college to juice to get to the next level despite long odds they can make it? no, not really.
I understand the concern about high school and college kids juicing. I have similar problems with that as well as underage drug and alcohol use. But I believe these things trickle down regardless. If a kid is desperate enough, he will find away. As for the legality of some PEDs, they are controlled substances. They are not necessarily illegal to obtain in all instances. And I'm sure it's not even an issue for these guys who fly to other countries, where the laws are more lenient. I'm just saying, I'm not accusing, that I'm pretty sure the pros are monitored very closely by their healthcare professionals if they were under any "experimental" treatments. As for players juicing for contracts and teams overpaying, that's just part of the game. That happens all the time without PEDs. That's more on GMs. How many times have we seen guys, who were dogs for most of their careers, decide to put in a little bit of effort during a contract year, get rewarded, then go back to being dogs.
My problem with the Karl excerpt, in which I believe he was referring to Nash and Kobe, is that there are no real hard facts behind his accusations. That's irresponsible. If he witnessed something or named names, I'd accept it more. To start slandering guys based on "intuition" is horrible. I know it's not the legal definition of slander, but impact is nearly the same.
