In 2013, the Celtics traded their crap (Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White) for some other crap (Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Kris Joseph, Keith Bogans) and some jewels -- three first round draft picks in 2014, 2016 and 2018 + the right to swap first round picks in 2017.
It is time the Knicks pull a Celtic and accelerate the obvious - we are not competing with the current roster of aging, no-defense players, and need to reboot around KP6. We have a GM and a coach who stand up to players who aren't playing the way they must, and it's time to engineer one or multiple swaps to trade our crap for jewels. This includes Melo, Rose, Noah, and maybe a few others. Turn up the heat on Melo, start by trading away the other vets, and then he'll ask for an exit.
Who can we heist? Are there any Billy King's out there (or Isaiah Thomas's)? Or perhaps even the Celtics themselves - grab the 2017 Nets pick + some others...and repeat after me: "with the second selection in the 2017 draft, the NY Knicks select Lonzo Ball, Point Guard, UCLA".
What they did was gracefully dismantle their core to rebuild while they had value. Nets reached for sure and if Deron Williams had lived up to his ability it might have just worked.
Nets made the fatal mistake knicks have made oh too often and not looking down the road.
Ainge and more importantly their owner really did what Hinkie had tried to do but with less downside. Most importantly they were content to hire a coach AND GROOM HIM for the long term and set upon building a culture.
With that the key has been patience and providing an environment where Thomas and Crowder were able to blossom!!!
Crowder is playing on an insanely friendly contract and thomas cost them relatively nothing.
THis is a very good model and sort of what GSW did very very well!!!!
stanleybostitch wrote:In 2013, the Celtics traded their crap (Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White) for some other crap (Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Kris Joseph, Keith Bogans) and some jewels -- three first round draft picks in 2014, 2016 and 2018 + the right to swap first round picks in 2017.It is time the Knicks pull a Celtic and accelerate the obvious - we are not competing with the current roster of aging, no-defense players, and need to reboot around KP6. We have a GM and a coach who stand up to players who aren't playing the way they must, and it's time to engineer one or multiple swaps to trade our crap for jewels. This includes Melo, Rose, Noah, and maybe a few others. Turn up the heat on Melo, start by trading away the other vets, and then he'll ask for an exit.
Who can we heist? Are there any Billy King's out there (or Isaiah Thomas's)? Or perhaps even the Celtics themselves - grab the 2017 Nets pick + some others...and repeat after me: "with the second selection in the 2017 draft, the NY Knicks select Lonzo Ball, Point Guard, UCLA".
One tiny aspect you're overlooking, Garnett, Pierce and Terry had championship pedigrees. The Nets thought they had a window to win big so they went for it on the logic that adding championship players would get them over the hump. Unfortunately for them they got burned. Melo, Rose, Jennings, Noah, etc. do not have that type of pedigree so thinking we could duplicate what Boston did is not realistic.
Welpee wrote:stanleybostitch wrote:In 2013, the Celtics traded their crap (Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White) for some other crap (Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Kris Joseph, Keith Bogans) and some jewels -- three first round draft picks in 2014, 2016 and 2018 + the right to swap first round picks in 2017.It is time the Knicks pull a Celtic and accelerate the obvious - we are not competing with the current roster of aging, no-defense players, and need to reboot around KP6. We have a GM and a coach who stand up to players who aren't playing the way they must, and it's time to engineer one or multiple swaps to trade our crap for jewels. This includes Melo, Rose, Noah, and maybe a few others. Turn up the heat on Melo, start by trading away the other vets, and then he'll ask for an exit.
Who can we heist? Are there any Billy King's out there (or Isaiah Thomas's)? Or perhaps even the Celtics themselves - grab the 2017 Nets pick + some others...and repeat after me: "with the second selection in the 2017 draft, the NY Knicks select Lonzo Ball, Point Guard, UCLA".
One tiny aspect you're overlooking, Garnett, Pierce and Terry had championship pedigrees. The Nets thought they had a window to win big so they went for it on the logic that adding championship players would get them over the hump. Unfortunately for them they got burned. Melo, Rose, Jennings, Noah, etc. do not have that type of pedigree so thinking we could duplicate what Boston did is not realistic.
Also, celtics had no way to know the 2017 pick would be this high. The assumption was Nets would be old for a few years, but at least competitive.
Nets had Gerald Wallace as "The glue guy" and of course the pick they used to obtain him was Lillard!!!
Everything the nets did went wrong. As Briggs has often said "at least protect those picks!!!!!"
All in all, from a buisness stand point I thought it took balls to do what the Nets attempted along with Billy King's decisiveness. On paper that team was really quite good!!!!
Looked like Prohkorov wanted to move the team and then sell it for great profit with a championship and the love of the city! Arrogant for sure!!!!
He also got to kick little Jimmy down at the same time.
Not adverse to trades at all, but for the record the celtics have been more lucky than good. I am sure they saw talent in Thomas and Crowder, but both have far outperformed expectations (even Celts). Others may have different opinions but i am not a fan of their drafts
What the NBA really needs is reform. More amnesty or other mechanisms so teams aren't stuck with albatross contracts which are in no one's best interest. Putting aside the NTC issue, if Knicks wanted to move on past Melo (assume for yucks Melo did too ) you're not going to get max value back even though he's making max money. And that's because he's not a max money performer at the moment. Maybe 17 mill. Knicks are just stuck with him or have to take garbage back to even out contracts.
With all the money in the league, I don't see why a team can't amnesty freely. Player gets his money, and the team gets to compile its roster as it sees fit
personally, i would like to see more nfl type deals with no guaranteed money -- incentives the player, and (i'm sorry) with an 8 million average on the horizon i'm not feeling too sorry for them if they get cut, or re-worked, after a subpar year.
the current structure is so far out of the norm of most fan's day-to-day existence it alienates the fans.
Billy King went wild with the assets Rod Thorn accumulated. I don't think there is another Billy King type gm in the league at this time.
