Knicks · Hope Rose is okay - but if he just went AWOL, you have to trade him. (page 4)

magicTs @ 1/9/2017 11:21 PM
Regardless of his reason and its clear that it is not a situation whereby he could not have informed management (given he was at shoot around and is speaking to Noah after the game) we should be getting rid. Thats the reality. He may have made that easier for us or he may have made it more difficult, who knows. But he should never wear the Knicks jersey again that much is certain.
callmened @ 1/9/2017 11:25 PM
Ramona Shelbourne is reporting that it was an emergency family situation that caused rose to leave abruptly
crzymdups @ 1/9/2017 11:25 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
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StarksEwing1 wrote:Its funny i finally started respecting Rose. During the rape thing i bashed him quite a bit then i felt guilty about. Now i feel stupid for feeling guilty. I understand having disagreements but you cant just go AWOL. Its the ultimate disrespect to your organization and teamates. I doubt anyone still wants to give him a long term deal now

There you go again passing judgement with zero clue what really happened or is happening..

passing judgment? I said if there was a family emergency or something i would understand but its clear thats not the case at all. Pretty much everyone here is saying the same thing as i am

Isola just tweeted it appears he maybe in Chicago. His family is there. Not sure if it is a family situation because I have no clue why he didn't show up. Too early to make assumptions in my opinion.
i dont think its early to start to piece things together. We know there is something going on between him and jeff. I hope you are right and its a big misunderstanding but that is starting to seem unlikely. You cant just no show a game without informing the team with a legit reason

dude,you can't even do that on 9-5 at company where you worked for 10 yrs..no show no call is a serious issue on every level..Rose is binded by a 21 million dollar contract that im sure he breached big time.

thats a disrespect on so many levels it aint even funny, the team, the fans, the coach..like WTF dude..I can only imagine how pissed off and frustrated he must be feeling because he got benched a couple of games last season, and had no problem with it.

I don't understand why people are running off with their own narrative..Rose is a pro and has never done anything like this..Something serious could be going down with his family..That makes the most sense with no info..Why run off on tangents...


Yeah. That's what happened.

if it was a family issue and he isnt mad at management then surely he would have informed management. Players dont no show games without a reason

Seems like you wait and find out before making assumptions. Something is up. He went to shoot around in the morning.
yes he was a shootaround. But the fact remains that you dont no show without a legit reason. Its clear jeff and him are at least having disagreements.

Yeah, given what we know and Noah's reaction, it seems like he just bounced. Obviously you wait and see. But if his kid was really sick or something, it's the easiest thing in the world to text someone with the team or at least tell his agent to contact the team and explain the absence. This is unheard of. I've never seen this in 25+ years of watching the NBA for any team, let alone the Bad News Knicks.

crzymdups @ 1/9/2017 11:26 PM
Double whammy that Rose goes AWOL on the day Chasson Randle signs with Philly. Only the fucking Knicks.
crzymdups @ 1/9/2017 11:28 PM
callmened wrote:Ramona Shelbourne is reporting that it was an emergency family situation that caused rose to leave abruptly

Still sort of unbelievable that he couldn't let his agent or anyone on the team know. I hope everything is ok. But if this were a normal person, they'd probably be fired from their job for just not showing up with no word.

StarksEwing1 @ 1/9/2017 11:28 PM
crzymdups wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Panos wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Its funny i finally started respecting Rose. During the rape thing i bashed him quite a bit then i felt guilty about. Now i feel stupid for feeling guilty. I understand having disagreements but you cant just go AWOL. Its the ultimate disrespect to your organization and teamates. I doubt anyone still wants to give him a long term deal now

There you go again passing judgement with zero clue what really happened or is happening..

passing judgment? I said if there was a family emergency or something i would understand but its clear thats not the case at all. Pretty much everyone here is saying the same thing as i am

Isola just tweeted it appears he maybe in Chicago. His family is there. Not sure if it is a family situation because I have no clue why he didn't show up. Too early to make assumptions in my opinion.
i dont think its early to start to piece things together. We know there is something going on between him and jeff. I hope you are right and its a big misunderstanding but that is starting to seem unlikely. You cant just no show a game without informing the team with a legit reason

dude,you can't even do that on 9-5 at company where you worked for 10 yrs..no show no call is a serious issue on every level..Rose is binded by a 21 million dollar contract that im sure he breached big time.

thats a disrespect on so many levels it aint even funny, the team, the fans, the coach..like WTF dude..I can only imagine how pissed off and frustrated he must be feeling because he got benched a couple of games last season, and had no problem with it.

I don't understand why people are running off with their own narrative..Rose is a pro and has never done anything like this..Something serious could be going down with his family..That makes the most sense with no info..Why run off on tangents...


Yeah. That's what happened.

if it was a family issue and he isnt mad at management then surely he would have informed management. Players dont no show games without a reason

Seems like you wait and find out before making assumptions. Something is up. He went to shoot around in the morning.
yes he was a shootaround. But the fact remains that you dont no show without a legit reason. Its clear jeff and him are at least having disagreements.

Yeah, given what we know and Noah's reaction, it seems like he just bounced. Obviously you wait and see. But if his kid was really sick or something, it's the easiest thing in the world to text someone with the team or at least tell his agent to contact the team and explain the absence. This is unheard of. I've never seen this in 25+ years of watching the NBA for any team, let alone the Bad News Knicks.

This. Im trying to be as fair as possible but any player who has a family issue or a injury informs management it has always been that way
nixluva @ 1/9/2017 11:30 PM
We don't need more drama with this team! The Rose thing is coming at such a bad time with the team on the edge like this. IMO you come to the game and play your BEST ALL AROUND GAME!!! That's how you handle this kind of thing. A coach is going to push you and take drastic steps in order to get the best out of you. As a professional player you have to accept that challenge. It's how you respond to adversity that shows who you are. I don't like what Rose is showing if he doesn't have a REALLY GOOD REASON for skipping town.

***I wrote this on my cell phone and didn't see the Shelbourne tweet about Rose having a family situation. If that's true then I hope that he gets that straight.***

knicks1248 @ 1/9/2017 11:33 PM
callmened wrote:Ramona Shelbourne is reporting that it was an emergency family situation that caused rose to leave abruptly

that sounds like speculation, ROSE is a professional, with a lot on the line, you dodn't up and leave without a heads up, there is no reason in the world other the death, for rose or a memeber of his team to not inform his bosses. Thats AWOL. Plenty of players a fam emergencies, but they don't just bounce out informing no one.


This all about Rose and JH, and the triangle

crzymdups @ 1/9/2017 11:39 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
callmened wrote:Ramona Shelbourne is reporting that it was an emergency family situation that caused rose to leave abruptly

that sounds like speculation, ROSE is a professional, with a lot on the line, you dodn't up and leave without a heads up, there is no reason in the world other the death, for rose or a memeber of his team to not inform his bosses. Thats AWOL. Plenty of players a fam emergencies, but they don't just bounce out informing no one.


This all about Rose and JH, and the triangle

I honestly don't think I've seen the Knicks run the Triangle since mid-November. I think this is about being benched for Ron Baker in the 4th quarter in Milwaukee and Indiana.

callmened @ 1/9/2017 11:40 PM
It's now being reported that rose is on a plane back to Chicago over something dealing with his family
crzymdups @ 1/9/2017 11:40 PM
callmened wrote:Ramona Shelbourne is reporting that it was an emergency family situation that caused rose to leave abruptly

Another wrinkle - Ramona Shelbourne (based in LA) is close friends with Jeannie Buss. Jeannie feeling sorry for her ex and trying to help with the spin?

crzymdups @ 1/9/2017 11:41 PM
callmened wrote:It's now being reported that rose is on a plane back to Chicago over something dealing with his family

You got a link?

magicTs @ 1/9/2017 11:43 PM
Whatever the issue this should be the catalyst to trade him as soon as possible. There is no excuse whatsoever for him (or someone representing him) not to have handled this situation completely professionally allowing the Knicks as an organization to have dealt with this without further embarrassment. Instead the whole thing is a shit show, his team mates played another horrific game (at the Garden too) and we lurch from one crisis to the next. I wanted him gone for basketball reasons and I for one hope that this will hasten his exit.
holfresh @ 1/9/2017 11:43 PM
crzymdups wrote:
callmened wrote:Ramona Shelbourne is reporting that it was an emergency family situation that caused rose to leave abruptly

Still sort of unbelievable that he couldn't let his agent or anyone on the team know. I hope everything is ok. But if this were a normal person, they'd probably be fired from their job for just not showing up with no word.


Rose's family is in Chiraq..Jennifer Hudson's mother, brother got shot there while she was a star..

If my kids or parents are at risk, the last thing I'm thinking are about the Knicks and a basketball game..
WaltLongmire @ 1/9/2017 11:47 PM
crzymdups wrote:
callmened wrote:Ramona Shelbourne is reporting that it was an emergency family situation that caused rose to leave abruptly

Still sort of unbelievable that he couldn't let his agent or anyone on the team know. I hope everything is ok. But if this were a normal person, they'd probably be fired from their job for just not showing up with no word.


Yup.

Was there more than just this tweet? "Family situation" is too generic...almost meaningless. Sorry.

And as you say, it doesn't take much to make a phone call or text somebody with the Knicks.

Just not acceptable behavior, unless he was kidnapped.

knicks1248 @ 1/9/2017 11:49 PM
holfresh wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
callmened wrote:Ramona Shelbourne is reporting that it was an emergency family situation that caused rose to leave abruptly

Still sort of unbelievable that he couldn't let his agent or anyone on the team know. I hope everything is ok. But if this were a normal person, they'd probably be fired from their job for just not showing up with no word.


Rose's family is in Chiraq..Jennifer Hudson's mother, brother got shot there while she was a star..

If my kids or parents are at risk, the last thing I'm thinking are about the Knicks and a basketball game..

How long does a phone call take, a text, a email. Like i said, there's no excuse not to communicate

nixluva @ 1/9/2017 11:49 PM
crzymdups wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
callmened wrote:Ramona Shelbourne is reporting that it was an emergency family situation that caused rose to leave abruptly

that sounds like speculation, ROSE is a professional, with a lot on the line, you dodn't up and leave without a heads up, there is no reason in the world other the death, for rose or a memeber of his team to not inform his bosses. Thats AWOL. Plenty of players a fam emergencies, but they don't just bounce out informing no one.


This all about Rose and JH, and the triangle

I honestly don't think I've seen the Knicks run the Triangle since mid-November. I think this is about being benched for Ron Baker in the 4th quarter in Milwaukee and Indiana.

I'm sorry but they still run Triangle principles but it's just a bastardized version of it. IMO they should be running 4 Out PnR with KP and Rose. The way we play is a waste of the strengths of our players. Take the bodies out of the paint and let Rose drive and kick on PnR. Instead We run the 3 Pass Weave then end up with Melo Post Right or KP Post Left. Some poorly run cuts off high Post feeds to Noah etc. it's Triangle but not well run. It's certainly not what I expected Jeff to run nor what he talked about wanting to run.

callmened @ 1/9/2017 11:49 PM
crzymdups wrote:
callmened wrote:It's now being reported that rose is on a plane back to Chicago over something dealing with his family

You got a link?

I apologize..I don't know how to share the link from my phone. This is the best I can do.

Google search "Report: Rose away from Knicks for family situation
William Lou Jan 9, 2017 11:31 PM"

crzymdups @ 1/9/2017 11:50 PM
Cedric Ceballos did something like this 20+ years ago -

http://www.si.com/vault/1996/04/01/21154...

ON SPRING BREAK CEDRIC CEBALLOS'S UNAUTHORIZED VACATION THREATENED TO DESTROY THE CHEMISTRY THAT HAD MADE THE LAKERS A CONTENDER SINCE MAGIC JOHNSON'S RETURN
By Phil Taylor
April 01, 1996
VIEW COVER
APRIL 01, 1996
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ORIGINAL LAYOUT
THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS play so close to Hollywood that they'vesurely learned that any good drama requires conflict. It wasobvious, then, that the return of Magic Johnson to the Lakerswas going altogether too smoothly. Magic was whipping no-lookpasses, tossing in baby hook shots and flashing smiles brighterthan the marquee at any Tinseltown premiere, and L.A. waswinning. After a 94-71 dismantling of the Seattle SuperSonics onMarch 19, the Lakers stood at 17-5 since Johnson's comeback andwere quickly transforming themselves into one of the postseasonfavorites in the Western Conference. But as any of Los Angeles'scelebrity fans can tell you, this is where a plot twist iscalled for, a sudden change of mood accompanied by ominous musicin the background. Cedric Ceballos, this is your cue.

Ceballos, the Lakers' starting small forward and leading scorer,put at least a temporary halt to the good feelings at the Forumby abruptly skipping out on L.A. after that win over the Sonics.When he missed a team flight to Seattle the next day, the Lakerssuspended him without pay, and no one in the organization hearddirectly from him until five days later, when he and his agent,Fred Slaughter, arrived at executive vice president Jerry West'sForum office Sunday afternoon, about three hours before L.A.'sgame against the Charlotte Hornets.

The disappearance was an astonishing display ofunprofessionalism, especially because Ceballos, 26, is a Lakersco-captain. By the time he was reinstated Monday, Ceballos hadmissed the flight to Seattle, two games (both losses), twopractices and a shootaround, costing him (given his $2.24million salary) $54,756 for the two games, plus $2,000 in finesfor missing the practices and the shootaround.

Moreover, when Ceballos did resurface, the plot furtherthickened. Having spent at least part of his time away from theteam with a male and two female companions (one of whom, saysSlaughter, was Ceballos's wife) at the London Bridge Resort inLake Havasu, Ariz., Ceballos explained at a Sunday pressconference at the Forum that he had been trying to resolve aserious family problem, the nature of which he chose not toreveal. However, he apparently had been able to stop wrestlingwith the crisis long enough to go waterskiing on the lake anddancing at Kokomo's, a local nightspot. Last Thursday night,around the time Ceballos's teammates were losing 104-93 inSeattle, Kokomo's patrons and employees saw him sipping abeverage and signing autographs. At the press conference he gaveno explanation for his failure to inform the Lakers of hiswhereabouts, other than to say, "That was a mistake I made.There was no reason for that at all. It was a bad situation, andI went about it the wrong way."

Ceballos insisted he did not leave in a huff over reducedplaying time since Johnson's return, despite evidence to thecontrary. At week's end he still led Los Angeles in minutes andshots per game, but Ceballos's key statistics had declinedslightly from the pre-Magic days--through Sunday, his averageminutes had dipped from 36.3 to 35, his shots from 16.9 to 14.6,and his scoring average from 23.4 to 22.4. Those who haveobserved the Lakers say that Ceballos's displeasure at beingremoved from games by coach Del Harris had been obviousrecently, especially in the week leading up to his departure. OnMarch 14 Ceballos had had his streak of scoring in doublefigures in consecutive games broken at 67, when he scored ninepoints and took only nine shots in 37 minutes in a 106-103victory over the Golden State Warriors. Then, in what seemedlike a protest, he hoisted 12 three-point shots, equaling acareer high (and making three), in the next night's game, a117-95 defeat of the Milwaukee Bucks. Next he had 18 points in38 minutes in a 98-97 loss to the Orlando Magic. But then camethe win over Seattle, when Johnson logged most of the time atsmall forward. Ceballos played only 12 minutes, his fewest inhis two seasons with the Lakers, took seven shots and scoredjust two points.

So when he steadfastly maintained at the press conference thathis departure was not at all basketball related--"Del's a niceguy and a good coach," Ceballos said; "I don't want to crush hisego, but he's not going to be the reason for my leavingbasketball"--there was the distinct feeling that Jack Nicholsonwas not the only actor in the Forum that evening. Publicly, atleast, West and Harris accepted Ceballos's explanation that hisabsence was the result only of family matters. "Cedric and Idiscussed some personal issues," West said. But it was tellingthat neither one of them appeared with Ceballos at the pressconference. West spoke to reporters after Ceballos had departed,and Harris did not attend the session.


Ceballos decided to leave the Forum after the press conferencewithout talking to any of his teammates but said he expectedthat they would forgive him once he apologized and explained histroubles to them. He might have been in for a rude surprise.Asked if he wanted to talk to Ceballos, point guard Nick VanExel, the Lakers' other co-captain, replied, "Not really. Heabandoned us.... If we want to do something [in the playoffs],we have to let it go, but it's going to be hard. He's a teamcaptain, and he just walks out. It's hard to get past that."

And what of Magic? Despite Ceballos's insistence to thecontrary, it was Johnson's return from four years in retirement,after testing positive for HIV, that seemed to have triggeredhis unhappiness. Following Sunday's game against the Hornets, a103-94 loss in which Magic started and had 28 points, eightrebounds and five assists in 39 minutes, the 36-year-old Johnsonsat in front of his stall in the locker room, shaking his headmore in sorrow than in anger. "This has taken away from what Ianticipated we were going to be about," he said. "It's hard forme to deal with this, with players doing things like this. MaybeI'm just old." When someone asked why he threw himself back intoa league in which such irresponsibility is commonplace, Johnsonanswered, "Maybe I won't throw myself back in it next year."

Johnson was aware, however, that Ceballos wasn't the only playerwho didn't care for Harris's unpredictable rotation, whichHarris attempted to rectify at practice last Saturday. Hedefined roles, naming Ceballos, Van Exel, center Vlade Divac,forward Elden Campbell and guard Eddie Jones the starters, withJohnson and guards Anthony Peeler and Sedale Threatt the topthree reserves. "I think that [clarification] was missing," saidJohnson, who prefers coming off the bench.

Very little has been missing from Johnson's game. After the lossto Charlotte, he was averaging 28.4 minutes,14.9 points, 5.4rebounds and 6.7 assists, and although there were still somesigns of rust--he occasionally throws up the air ball three-pointer--he has been playing remarkably well since he came outof retirement. Until Ceballos took his abrupt vacation, the fearthat the Lakers' chemistry would be damaged by adding an elementas powerful as Johnson appeared to have been unfounded. In factL.A. had been a study in selflessness since Magic's return. The44 assists they piled up in his first game back, on Jan. 30against the Warriors, was at week's end still the highestsingle-game total in the league this season, as well as the mostfor the Lakers since 1986. In the 24 games since Johnson'sarrival, the Lakers averaged 26.8 assists, compared with 24.8 inthe 42 games before he returned.

But Johnson's effect is more obvious on the floor than on thestat sheet. His mere presence seems to cause other Lakers tomake the extra pass. On a fast break against the Sonics lastweek, Campbell, who is having the best season of his career (atweek's end averaging 13.7 points, 7.9 rebounds and 2.55 blocks),took a pass as he headed down the lane toward the basket. Butinstead of shooting, he immediately made a no-look touch pass toJones streaking in on the wing for a dunk. "Before Magic cameback, E.C. probably takes the shot, and maybe he makes it, maybehe doesn't, but he probably doesn't make the pass," said Divacafter the loss to Seattle. "That comes from Magic setting thetone."

It is the kind of tone Johnson tried but failed to set in his17-game stab at coaching the Lakers two seasons ago. He finds itmuch easier to get his points across while wearing a uniform."They can tune you out as a coach, but not when you're a playerand you're kicking their butt in practice," Johnson says. "See,I can tell Elden something about rebounding when I'm holding awhistle and a clipboard, and he'll probably remember it for alittle while, but if I tell him something about rebounding afterI've just taken a rebound from him, then he'll remember it forgood."

To watch Johnson as he plays so effectively is to realize why heclung so tenaciously to his dream of a comeback. "I knew that Icould still make a difference just with what I had up here," hesays, tapping his temple. "I understand this game. I understandthe angles of it, the little nooks and crannies of it." Johnsonhas pared his style to the point where not a single movement iswasted, as if he realizes he only has so many strides and jumpsleft in his career. And he has had to make other concessions toage. A calf injury that forced him to miss four games continuesto trouble him, and he doesn't have the stamina of his youngeryears. When he started and played the entire first quarter atSeattle last week, he was winded when he sat down. Coming offthe bench to play a maximum of 30 minutes a game seems theperfect role for him, which is one of the reasons why Ceballos'suncertain status was so potentially damaging. His absence playedhavoc with the Laker rotation and forced Johnson to spend moreminutes on the court.

So far those minutes have come mostly at one of the forwardpositions, but Johnson thinks there is significant time at hisold point guard spot in his future. "I think I can have moreoptions and be more dangerous that way," he says. One potentialdanger, though, is ruffling the feathers of the talented andheadstrong Van Exel. But so far Van Exel has adjusted admirably,ceding some of his control of the team to Johnson while losingnone of his trademark cockiness. "I know there are a lot ofpeople checking it out to see how I'm going to respond," VanExel says. "And I know there are probably going to be times whenMagic and I are both standing there with our hands out, callingfor the ball. Believe me, I'm not going to change my game. Nickis going to be Nick. But I'm not a selfish player, and I knowMagic's not. It won't be a problem."

At least it won't be as big a problem as, say, finding a phonewas for Ceballos in Arizona.

callmened @ 1/9/2017 11:51 PM
I'm not excusing his behavior...emergency or not,the responsible thing to do is call your boss
fwk00 @ 1/9/2017 11:52 PM
crzymdups wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Panos wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Its funny i finally started respecting Rose. During the rape thing i bashed him quite a bit then i felt guilty about. Now i feel stupid for feeling guilty. I understand having disagreements but you cant just go AWOL. Its the ultimate disrespect to your organization and teamates. I doubt anyone still wants to give him a long term deal now

There you go again passing judgement with zero clue what really happened or is happening..

passing judgment? I said if there was a family emergency or something i would understand but its clear thats not the case at all. Pretty much everyone here is saying the same thing as i am

Isola just tweeted it appears he maybe in Chicago. His family is there. Not sure if it is a family situation because I have no clue why he didn't show up. Too early to make assumptions in my opinion.
i dont think its early to start to piece things together. We know there is something going on between him and jeff. I hope you are right and its a big misunderstanding but that is starting to seem unlikely. You cant just no show a game without informing the team with a legit reason

dude,you can't even do that on 9-5 at company where you worked for 10 yrs..no show no call is a serious issue on every level..Rose is binded by a 21 million dollar contract that im sure he breached big time.

thats a disrespect on so many levels it aint even funny, the team, the fans, the coach..like WTF dude..I can only imagine how pissed off and frustrated he must be feeling because he got benched a couple of games last season, and had no problem with it.

I don't understand why people are running off with their own narrative..Rose is a pro and has never done anything like this..Something serious could be going down with his family..That makes the most sense with no info..Why run off on tangents...


Yeah. That's what happened.

if it was a family issue and he isnt mad at management then surely he would have informed management. Players dont no show games without a reason

Seems like you wait and find out before making assumptions. Something is up. He went to shoot around in the morning.
yes he was a shootaround. But the fact remains that you dont no show without a legit reason. Its clear jeff and him are at least having disagreements.

Yeah, given what we know and Noah's reaction, it seems like he just bounced. Obviously you wait and see. But if his kid was really sick or something, it's the easiest thing in the world to text someone with the team or at least tell his agent to contact the team and explain the absence. This is unheard of. I've never seen this in 25+ years of watching the NBA for any team, let alone the Bad News Knicks.

The Shelbourne report looks like a planted PR story to relieve the pressure. I'm sure its intended as much to save Rose's reputation as the Knicks front-office [though the front-office is not to blame]. Rose will have to be moved regardless of the upcoming narratives.

The season is not trashed at all. The Rose incident will trigger some roster changes but that's business as usual for the Knicks. Most affected will be Noah. If Rose is in breach of contract, he could get released and in a nod and wink, Noah may get traded to whoever is interested in Rose [unlikely but possible].

Given the poor play, chances are a winning record for the rest of the month will make all this forgettable. If the Knicks are smart they'll treat this as an opportunity for course correction. If they aren't then the season will be an endless soap-opera of losses and recrimination.

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