Knicks · 2017 NBA Draft Thread (page 35)

crzymdups @ 3/27/2017 3:52 PM
I don't think this is worth its own thread, but Berman says according to an "NBA source" the Knicks are intrigued by Josh Jackson and they'd consider taking him if he's there when they pick. I'm down with that.

Knixkik @ 3/27/2017 4:18 PM
crzymdups wrote:I don't think this is worth its own thread, but Berman says according to an "NBA source" the Knicks are intrigued by Josh Jackson and they'd consider taking him if he's there when they pick. I'm down with that.

If the goal is essentially drafting a defensive-minded, point-forward, i agree this is a great option. Sort of like a Scottie Pippen as far as triangle-fit. It allows more options in the backcourt. But i am still thinking he goes top 3 and i don't think we end up there.

wargames @ 3/27/2017 4:20 PM
crzymdups wrote:I don't think this is worth its own thread, but Berman says according to an "NBA source" the Knicks are intrigued by Josh Jackson and they'd consider taking him if he's there when they pick. I'm down with that.

I mean Phil won chips with Pippin and Odom.... so it's a known fact he loves SF who are Point Forwards. Also Josh Jackson is considered the 3rd best player in the draft...... if he falls to the Knicks at #4 (best case scenario) they would be crazy not to get him.

crzymdups @ 3/27/2017 4:29 PM
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I don't think this is worth its own thread, but Berman says according to an "NBA source" the Knicks are intrigued by Josh Jackson and they'd consider taking him if he's there when they pick. I'm down with that.

I mean Phil won chips with Pippin and Odom.... so it's a known fact he loves SF who are Point Forwards. Also Josh Jackson is considered the 3rd best player in the draft...... if he falls to the Knicks at #4 (best case scenario) they would be crazy not to get him.

Never know what can happen in the lottery... teams that have the 4th worst record move up into the top three picks all the time.

smackeddog @ 3/27/2017 4:58 PM
crzymdups wrote:I don't think this is worth its own thread, but Berman says according to an "NBA source" the Knicks are intrigued by Josh Jackson and they'd consider taking him if he's there when they pick. I'm down with that.

I like that that Bermen thinks that thought requires an NBA source. Knicks would consider taking a top 3 player in the draft if they land a top three pick- who'd of thunk it?!

crzymdups @ 3/27/2017 5:26 PM
smackeddog wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I don't think this is worth its own thread, but Berman says according to an "NBA source" the Knicks are intrigued by Josh Jackson and they'd consider taking him if he's there when they pick. I'm down with that.

I like that that Bermen thinks that thought requires an NBA source. Knicks would consider taking a top 3 player in the draft if they land a top three pick- who'd of thunk it?!

Well, some people are stuck on the conventional wisdom that the Knicks would take a point guard because it's a guard heavy draft. I don't think that's a given.

crzymdups @ 3/27/2017 6:12 PM
Euro stock report from Draft.net on Frank Ntilikina and others -

http://www.nbadraft.net/european-stock-w...

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Frank Ntilikina (98', 6-5, PG, France, Strasbourg)

Frank Ntilikina
Frank Ntilikina
After several months as a back up point guard, the French prospect is now officially the starting point guard of his team. And the truth is that he seems to be up for the challenge! Ntilikina was terrific over the past month, particularly at the end of the month of February. He's had some really good games against very good competition, especially with a game against Aris in the elimitation round of Basketball Champions League, where he wasn't afraid of the big stage. He's had a few low scoring outputs recently but the team has been winning. The truth is that the scouts were already in love with him and the things that he can do on both ends of the floor. Now it's up to Ntilikina to prove to everyone that all this noise about him is legit.

BigDaddyG @ 3/27/2017 6:18 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I'm on the use-a-second-on-Sindarius-Thornwell bandwagon

I'd be cool with that. I'm targeting Williams-Goss for the second round. I think he'd fit in the triangle as rotation guard down the line, kinda like late career Brian Shaw.

wargames @ 3/27/2017 7:26 PM
crzymdups wrote:Euro stock report from Draft.net on Frank Ntilikina and others -

http://www.nbadraft.net/european-stock-w...

Stock Up

Frank Ntilikina (98', 6-5, PG, France, Strasbourg)

Frank Ntilikina
Frank Ntilikina
After several months as a back up point guard, the French prospect is now officially the starting point guard of his team. And the truth is that he seems to be up for the challenge! Ntilikina was terrific over the past month, particularly at the end of the month of February. He's had some really good games against very good competition, especially with a game against Aris in the elimitation round of Basketball Champions League, where he wasn't afraid of the big stage. He's had a few low scoring outputs recently but the team has been winning. The truth is that the scouts were already in love with him and the things that he can do on both ends of the floor. Now it's up to Ntilikina to prove to everyone that all this noise about him is legit.

Here is the game between Aris and Ntilkina's team. His defense and that 3 or shot look real good. Also his arms are really long...... maybe those 6'11 wingspan rumors are true. It looks like he only plays in the first half. He doesn't really drive but with his skinny frame I understand why.

Knixkik @ 3/27/2017 8:17 PM
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Euro stock report from Draft.net on Frank Ntilikina and others -

http://www.nbadraft.net/european-stock-w...

Stock Up

Frank Ntilikina (98', 6-5, PG, France, Strasbourg)

Frank Ntilikina
Frank Ntilikina
After several months as a back up point guard, the French prospect is now officially the starting point guard of his team. And the truth is that he seems to be up for the challenge! Ntilikina was terrific over the past month, particularly at the end of the month of February. He's had some really good games against very good competition, especially with a game against Aris in the elimitation round of Basketball Champions League, where he wasn't afraid of the big stage. He's had a few low scoring outputs recently but the team has been winning. The truth is that the scouts were already in love with him and the things that he can do on both ends of the floor. Now it's up to Ntilikina to prove to everyone that all this noise about him is legit.

Here is the game between Aris and Ntilkina's team. His defense and that 3 or shot look real good. Also his arms are really long...... maybe those 6'11 wingspan rumors are true. It looks like he only plays in the first half. He doesn't really drive but with his skinny frame I understand why.

If he can defend, hit open shots, and move the ball, he would be a rotation player right away. I think he would be a great fit, my only concern is, in a draft full of high upside guys, does he have star potential...

NardDogNation @ 3/27/2017 10:07 PM
nixluva wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
crzymdups wrote:De'Aaron Fox after the loss. This makes me like him even more.

I might sound finicky but that to me makes Fox my pick as well. That video gives me the feeling he will never stop working on his game because losing is just that personal to him. He'd suck in the triangle but.....the triangle might not be played for very much longer...

Fox wouldn't suck in the Triangle. He's too talented and patient to suck. If you watch him play he isn't just 100mph all the time. He gives it up and allows the balk to move before getting it back. He knows when to attack or turn it on. He'd be in the Jordan/Kobe role and not the Kerr/Fisher role. He defends too. I think Phil would LOVE this kid.

He can't shoot and to be a triangle PG, you need to be able to space the floor and move without the ball.

WaltLongmire @ 3/27/2017 10:27 PM
crzymdups wrote:Euro stock report from Draft.net on Frank Ntilikina and others -

http://www.nbadraft.net/european-stock-w...

Stock Up

Frank Ntilikina (98', 6-5, PG, France, Strasbourg)

Frank Ntilikina
Frank Ntilikina
After several months as a back up point guard, the French prospect is now officially the starting point guard of his team. And the truth is that he seems to be up for the challenge! Ntilikina was terrific over the past month, particularly at the end of the month of February. He's had some really good games against very good competition, especially with a game against Aris in the elimitation round of Basketball Champions League, where he wasn't afraid of the big stage. He's had a few low scoring outputs recently but the team has been winning. The truth is that the scouts were already in love with him and the things that he can do on both ends of the floor. Now it's up to Ntilikina to prove to everyone that all this noise about him is legit.

Still very interested in him, but I need to see some full games of his where I only watch him, and not rely on highlights.

Did this with Fox and I was impressed. I also think Fox's shooting form is not as bad as I had heard. With time I think Fox can be a special player...would be very satisfied if we ended up with him.

These are the two guys I'm looking at right now...larger PGs who are team oriented players who can also play D.

WaltLongmire @ 3/27/2017 10:31 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
nixluva wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
crzymdups wrote:De'Aaron Fox after the loss. This makes me like him even more.

I might sound finicky but that to me makes Fox my pick as well. That video gives me the feeling he will never stop working on his game because losing is just that personal to him. He'd suck in the triangle but.....the triangle might not be played for very much longer...

Fox wouldn't suck in the Triangle. He's too talented and patient to suck. If you watch him play he isn't just 100mph all the time. He gives it up and allows the balk to move before getting it back. He knows when to attack or turn it on. He'd be in the Jordan/Kobe role and not the Kerr/Fisher role. He defends too. I think Phil would LOVE this kid.

He can't shoot and to be a triangle PG, you need to be able to space the floor and move without the ball.

Not sure he is as bad a shooter as you believe...His form is not terrible. Watch that last 3 he took from the corner...beautiful form. Consistency comes with time...I think his shooting will be fine from what I have seen.

nixluva @ 3/27/2017 10:33 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
nixluva wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
crzymdups wrote:De'Aaron Fox after the loss. This makes me like him even more.

I might sound finicky but that to me makes Fox my pick as well. That video gives me the feeling he will never stop working on his game because losing is just that personal to him. He'd suck in the triangle but.....the triangle might not be played for very much longer...

Fox wouldn't suck in the Triangle. He's too talented and patient to suck. If you watch him play he isn't just 100mph all the time. He gives it up and allows the balk to move before getting it back. He knows when to attack or turn it on. He'd be in the Jordan/Kobe role and not the Kerr/Fisher role. He defends too. I think Phil would LOVE this kid.

He can't shoot and to be a triangle PG, you need to be able to space the floor and move without the ball.

Do I need to list the many PG's that improved their shooting in the NBA? The kid's shot isn't broken. I think he'll be fine with more work. Just so you know Ron Harper played PG for Phil and wasn't a strong shooter.

wargames @ 3/27/2017 10:40 PM
welp forget Josh Jackson...... Dumb knicks gonna win dumb games
crzymdups @ 3/27/2017 10:43 PM
wargames wrote:welp forget Josh Jackson...... Dumb knicks gonna win dumb games

I think they could lose every game until the Sixers game to close the year... have to keep the faith.

Though if we beat Miami Wednesday we're in sole possession of 8th in the lotto standings aka the Jordan Hill Zone.

wargames @ 3/27/2017 10:44 PM
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:welp forget Josh Jackson...... Dumb knicks gonna win dumb games

I think they could lose every game until the Sixers game to close the year... have to keep the faith.

Though if we beat Miami Wednesday we're in sole possession of 8th in the lotto standings aka the Jordan Hill Zone.

I think they are dumb enough to ignore reality and try to win pointless games. The players spiting the FO even if in the long run it hurts them more.

crzymdups @ 3/27/2017 10:48 PM
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:welp forget Josh Jackson...... Dumb knicks gonna win dumb games

I think they could lose every game until the Sixers game to close the year... have to keep the faith.

Though if we beat Miami Wednesday we're in sole possession of 8th in the lotto standings aka the Jordan Hill Zone.

I think they are dumb enough to ignore reality and try to win pointless games. The players spiting the FO even if in the long run it hurts them more.

I think this Pistons team is a mess right now. Miami is playing great, even with some injuries. I hope they're smarter about this stuff to close out the year... one win won't kill us... but winning three in a row right now would just be a knife in the gut.

WaltLongmire @ 3/27/2017 11:14 PM
wargames wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:welp forget Josh Jackson...... Dumb knicks gonna win dumb games

I think they could lose every game until the Sixers game to close the year... have to keep the faith.

Though if we beat Miami Wednesday we're in sole possession of 8th in the lotto standings aka the Jordan Hill Zone.

I think they are dumb enough to ignore reality and try to win pointless games. The players spiting the FO even if in the long run it hurts them more.


Guys are playing for contracts or positioning themselves to be trade-worthy. Rose it playing for what might be his last big contract. No way he's thinking about tanking...and from his perspective he is doing the right thing for his career.

If you watched this game you would have thought the Knicks were the ones making a push for the playoffs and the Pistons were playing for a better pick in the draft...

NardDogNation @ 3/28/2017 9:04 AM
nixluva wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
nixluva wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
crzymdups wrote:De'Aaron Fox after the loss. This makes me like him even more.

I might sound finicky but that to me makes Fox my pick as well. That video gives me the feeling he will never stop working on his game because losing is just that personal to him. He'd suck in the triangle but.....the triangle might not be played for very much longer...

Fox wouldn't suck in the Triangle. He's too talented and patient to suck. If you watch him play he isn't just 100mph all the time. He gives it up and allows the balk to move before getting it back. He knows when to attack or turn it on. He'd be in the Jordan/Kobe role and not the Kerr/Fisher role. He defends too. I think Phil would LOVE this kid.

He can't shoot and to be a triangle PG, you need to be able to space the floor and move without the ball.

Do I need to list the many PG's that improved their shooting in the NBA? The kid's shot isn't broken. I think he'll be fine with more work. Just so you know Ron Harper played PG for Phil and wasn't a strong shooter.

Go ahead and list PG's that couldn't shoot and became good enough at it in this era of space-and-pace basketball.

NardDogNation @ 3/28/2017 9:13 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
nixluva wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
crzymdups wrote:De'Aaron Fox after the loss. This makes me like him even more.

I might sound finicky but that to me makes Fox my pick as well. That video gives me the feeling he will never stop working on his game because losing is just that personal to him. He'd suck in the triangle but.....the triangle might not be played for very much longer...

Fox wouldn't suck in the Triangle. He's too talented and patient to suck. If you watch him play he isn't just 100mph all the time. He gives it up and allows the balk to move before getting it back. He knows when to attack or turn it on. He'd be in the Jordan/Kobe role and not the Kerr/Fisher role. He defends too. I think Phil would LOVE this kid.

He can't shoot and to be a triangle PG, you need to be able to space the floor and move without the ball.

Not sure he is as bad a shooter as you believe...His form is not terrible. Watch that last 3 he took from the corner...beautiful form. Consistency comes with time...I think his shooting will be fine from what I have seen.

Even if that is the case, he'd be grossly marginalized in a system designed to take the ball out of his hands and relegate him to being a dude that is only suppose to space the floor and move without the ball. A talented floor general like him in the triangle is the equivalent of purchasing a car ONLY to listen to its radio. But if the decision is between Fox and the triangle, I choose Fox. The triangle hasn't shown to be good enough in this modern NBA to be passing on blue-chip talent like Fox. It's also why I hope we fire Phil Jackson; the man is an egotistical buffoon that got lucky by having personnel in place that have been above average in identifying talent in the draft. If not for them, Jackson's tenure here would be all-time awful.

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