Knicks · Report: Rose 🌹 considered walking away from basketball during absence (page 2)
He is acting up in order to influence his playing time thereby having the maximum opportunity to "earn" that next big contract.
Like a lot of immature little kids, react by saying something hurtful to the parent.
In Rose's case, hurt his trade value by acting like a complete loose cannon, hurting the Knicks as a result.
In hindsight, we could have kept Lopez on the cheap and have a lot more cap room if not for this gamble that has resulted in nothing positive for the Knicks long-term.
Rose needs to go... The sooner the better. I would keep him one day past the playoff roster deadline, and then cut him.
fitzfarm wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Finestrg wrote:Obviously, he handled it poorly but WTF happened? Anyone know? Did it come out yet? Is his mom sick?that's what's so maddening about this. had he just gotten permission to be absent he wouldn't have to answer any questions. now, he's acting like he's entitled to privacy. I can think of 25 million reasons why he's got to answer why he missed a *home* game
So all signs point towards a mental health issue if I am not mistaken, maybe caused by something that happened at home. Is the right move to announce such a thing to the world?
Very tricky area.
I hadn't considered that angle but it's (informed) speculation. Generally speaking I think pretending like nothing happened is a poor way to handle thinsg. Obviously if something crazy was going on I'd be more likely to feel for him. But right now I'm just pissed that our shit team is going to have to make up answers to the questions they are all going to be asked until Rose is no longer off the roster. He put himself in this position and he made this situation public
Has that really happened? Jeff has made statements, Rose talked to the press. What exactly are you looking for?
I think melo, rose, KP need a closed door meeting with Jeff and Phil ... so far it's been the melo show for the knicks. And like the past three years it is wearing on the other players. I hate to say this but rose has been on playoff teams his whole career he has been the leader of all those playoff teams even when injured.
Is rose a perfect human no far from one, but maybe it's time to let him run the show like he has in Chicago. Instead of running 70% of the plays for melo like we do 20 for KP 10 split to everyone else. Let's give rose the keys and here are the reasons why.
He's clearly the most talented player on the roster, as well as the most athletic, on top of that when rose is motoring it will open up the floor for everyone else.
Rose will not smile and laugh like melo always has when he gets beat. Rose takes it personal and holds teammates accountable. He respects the game. Melo respects melo.
Melo doesn't open the floor as well as rose he relies on the defense double teaming him to pass.and even then he shots 70% of the time.
Plus with how this team is going what do we have to lose . Melo gets mad cause he's not getting the fame or being the go to guy and waves his no trade clause... that might be the best thing that ever happens in the melo era.
I think Rose going from MVP, to injured MVP, to oh shyt, now its Butlers team, to Big trade attention new start in NY Team, to Oh shyt, I got benched and I got family to feed (Extended included) might have just landed on his shoulders and HE HANDLED IT BAD.
Rose is not "The Man", and he won't get paid like it. Do I feel badly for him? not really, but I would empathetic to him as a person if I knew him and would encourage him he can still have a great career as part of an team and encourage him to work on some fundamentals to prolong his career. One bad tweek of the knee will cost him millions. Tens of millions.
I think his teammates can be angry with him, his coach, GM and Team president can be upset with him, and fans can be dissapointed as well. But the fact is his great crime was he didn't call, the rest we can only project and falsely judge him with only presumption.
His press conference from last year tells you all you need to know about the guy. While injured missing a season and a half he's talking about the need to take care of his family with the next big contract. Which would have been fine absent the fact that he already inked a $185MM Adidas contract and was in them midst of a $95MM deal with the Bulls.
The issue is he's so offensively talented finishing at the rim everyone fails to realize he is one of the worst rated PER pg's in the entire league. He can't defend and rarely makes the smart play getting his teammates involved.
Says all you need to know about a player when they bail on the team. If there is a family issue you tell someone and you go be with your family. You don't just skip town. Cut bait.
martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Finestrg wrote:Obviously, he handled it poorly but WTF happened? Anyone know? Did it come out yet? Is his mom sick?that's what's so maddening about this. had he just gotten permission to be absent he wouldn't have to answer any questions. now, he's acting like he's entitled to privacy. I can think of 25 million reasons why he's got to answer why he missed a *home* game
So all signs point towards a mental health issue if I am not mistaken, maybe caused by something that happened at home. Is the right move to announce such a thing to the world?
Very tricky area.
I hadn't considered that angle but it's (informed) speculation. Generally speaking I think pretending like nothing happened is a poor way to handle thinsg. Obviously if something crazy was going on I'd be more likely to feel for him. But right now I'm just pissed that our shit team is going to have to make up answers to the questions they are all going to be asked until Rose is no longer off the roster. He put himself in this position and he made this situation public
Has that really happened? Jeff has made statements, Rose talked to the press. What exactly are you looking for?
All the clips I heard made it sound like he said a whole lot about a whole lot of nothing. So yeah I guess they "talked about it" but what were they really talking about? Just that it was an unexcused absence and they wished that he rang first.
Again, what are you looking to have done?
What I want is either (1) a suspension - but we know that ain't happening or (2) Rose, Phil, Dolan, Mills, or whoever to convince me that Rose actually wants to be here because that's the part of the story that's pissing me off (not the part about his family, which I personally think is a big load of BS and an excuse a freshman uses when s/he wants a finals extension.. "oh yeah, somethign was really wrong with my family but I don't want to answer any questions but I SWEAR I actually wanted to be there to take the test")
I think rose is sick of losing and how Jeff will not bend from making the focal point of the offense being melo.
There is only so much more losing this team can take before everyone starts acting like rose.
nyvector16 wrote:Rose's behavior is exactly like a kid throwing a temper tantrum.He is acting up in order to influence his playing time thereby having the maximum opportunity to "earn" that next big contract.
Like a lot of immature little kids, react by saying something hurtful to the parent.
In Rose's case, hurt his trade value by acting like a complete loose cannon, hurting the Knicks as a result.In hindsight, we could have kept Lopez on the cheap and have a lot more cap room if not for this gamble that has resulted in nothing positive for the Knicks long-term.
Rose needs to go... The sooner the better. I would keep him one day past the playoff roster deadline, and then cut him.
Why, were we looking to trade him? You think teams don't know all about Rose?
Also, why wait until after the playoff roster deadline, seems if your making that decision your more intent to hurt him than benefit the team.
While nobody need have great affinity for Rose, I would think as an asset you either work to find an internal solution, or salvage what is possible via a trade.
Nalod wrote:nyvector16 wrote:Rose's behavior is exactly like a kid throwing a temper tantrum.He is acting up in order to influence his playing time thereby having the maximum opportunity to "earn" that next big contract.
Like a lot of immature little kids, react by saying something hurtful to the parent.
In Rose's case, hurt his trade value by acting like a complete loose cannon, hurting the Knicks as a result.In hindsight, we could have kept Lopez on the cheap and have a lot more cap room if not for this gamble that has resulted in nothing positive for the Knicks long-term.
Rose needs to go... The sooner the better. I would keep him one day past the playoff roster deadline, and then cut him.Why, were we looking to trade him? You think teams don't know all about Rose?
Also, why wait until after the playoff roster deadline, seems if your making that decision your more intent to hurt him than benefit the team.
While nobody need have great affinity for Rose, I would think as an asset you either work to find an internal solution, or salvage what is possible via a trade.
Rose made it more difficult for us to move him. He did that, not the Knicks. If he wants to maximize his earning on the next contract he is going to have to play meaningful minutes down the stretch of the season or even better, the playoffs. The guys screwed us with his public shenanigans. He hurt his trade value significantly. If the Knicks are going to cut him, I don't care to do him any favors the same way he could care less to do any favors for the team.
Once trade deadline is past, he is going to be begging us to cut him so he can sign with a contender for the playoffs. He better take the foot out of his own ass before he expects any special treatment after what he pulled. He disrespected the team and he disrespected the fans... He has no place at MSG
nyvector16 wrote:Nalod wrote:nyvector16 wrote:Rose's behavior is exactly like a kid throwing a temper tantrum.He is acting up in order to influence his playing time thereby having the maximum opportunity to "earn" that next big contract.
Like a lot of immature little kids, react by saying something hurtful to the parent.
In Rose's case, hurt his trade value by acting like a complete loose cannon, hurting the Knicks as a result.In hindsight, we could have kept Lopez on the cheap and have a lot more cap room if not for this gamble that has resulted in nothing positive for the Knicks long-term.
Rose needs to go... The sooner the better. I would keep him one day past the playoff roster deadline, and then cut him.Why, were we looking to trade him? You think teams don't know all about Rose?
Also, why wait until after the playoff roster deadline, seems if your making that decision your more intent to hurt him than benefit the team.
While nobody need have great affinity for Rose, I would think as an asset you either work to find an internal solution, or salvage what is possible via a trade.Rose made it more difficult for us to move him. He did that, not the Knicks. If he wants to maximize his earning on the next contract he is going to have to play meaningful minutes down the stretch of the season or even better, the playoffs. The guys screwed us with his public shenanigans. He hurt his trade value significantly. If the Knicks are going to cut him, I don't care to do him any favors the same way he could care less to do any favors for the team.
Once trade deadline is past, he is going to be begging us to cut him so he can sign with a contender for the playoffs. He better take the foot out of his own ass before he expects any special treatment after what he pulled. He disrespected the team and he disrespected the fans... He has no place at MSG
You never know. He may did Knick a huge favor as we can get him on chip now and for short contract.
But again as with Melo this is not a Knicks choice and not a Knicks issue but his own.
I love how Phis managing to make others to make dificult decisions and then watches and act from the position of strength.
High level mind games...
fitzfarm wrote:With a guy like derrick running the point position we should be a top five team in fast break points, not bottom five... I find it hard to believe rose isn't begging Jeff to let him run more ... is melo stopping this from happening, and rose is furious because he knows his style will lead to a lot more victories.
Wrong. Fast break points are predicated on defense. Steals.
nyvector16 wrote:Nalod wrote:nyvector16 wrote:Rose's behavior is exactly like a kid throwing a temper tantrum.He is acting up in order to influence his playing time thereby having the maximum opportunity to "earn" that next big contract.
Like a lot of immature little kids, react by saying something hurtful to the parent.
In Rose's case, hurt his trade value by acting like a complete loose cannon, hurting the Knicks as a result.In hindsight, we could have kept Lopez on the cheap and have a lot more cap room if not for this gamble that has resulted in nothing positive for the Knicks long-term.
Rose needs to go... The sooner the better. I would keep him one day past the playoff roster deadline, and then cut him.Why, were we looking to trade him? You think teams don't know all about Rose?
Also, why wait until after the playoff roster deadline, seems if your making that decision your more intent to hurt him than benefit the team.
While nobody need have great affinity for Rose, I would think as an asset you either work to find an internal solution, or salvage what is possible via a trade.Rose made it more difficult for us to move him. He did that, not the Knicks. If he wants to maximize his earning on the next contract he is going to have to play meaningful minutes down the stretch of the season or even better, the playoffs. The guys screwed us with his public shenanigans. He hurt his trade value significantly. If the Knicks are going to cut him, I don't care to do him any favors the same way he could care less to do any favors for the team.
Once trade deadline is past, he is going to be begging us to cut him so he can sign with a contender for the playoffs. He better take the foot out of his own ass before he expects any special treatment after what he pulled. He disrespected the team and he disrespected the fans... He has no place at MSG
Knicks don't have any real options, besides if the team starts winning, this lncident will be long forgotten, if they lose, his stock will go down anyway.
holfresh wrote:I got to hear the real reason for Rose leaving...I can't believe a young man aged 28 years old would walk away from a potential contract paying him over 100 million dollars to bounce a basketball..Are these guys living in a alternate Universe??..Just silly talk..Can't believe it...
He hasn't, or at least in his mind. Haven't you seen the latest reports that he was thinking on retiring but now wants the biggest Max contract possible (5 years, wait for it... 150 millions.
Oh my, this is so ridiculous, its actually entertaining. (Is that the Knicks' slogan?)
- Marbury saw the light
- Spreewell had to feed his family
- Melo pouted throughout Linsanity
- Amare slapped a fire extinguisher
- The great 7 feet tall Tyson Chanler was felled by a virus
- The Fish got punked by Matt Barnes
- Rose went AWOL for one game
move on nothing to see here. It's New York basketball
I miss Charlie Ward.
nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
Pity party? You sound like a mother concerned with herself "you worried us".........Ooh, like that is some real stuff right there.
He does not want to tell the world what up. Does he have to?
It not so much a Pity party, but whats best for the team. Its best for the team he comes back and plays well. The money will happen for him and the better he plays, the more will come his way. He Its not like we looked to trade him and he "ruined it". Things happen, life goes on.
I was a stupid thing, but nobody died, went to jail, got injured or ruined property.
Nalod wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
Pity party? You sound like a mother concerned with herself "you worried us".........Ooh, like that is some real stuff right there.
He does not want to tell the world what up. Does he have to?It not so much a Pity party, but whats best for the team. Its best for the team he comes back and plays well. The money will happen for him and the better he plays, the more will come his way. He Its not like we looked to trade him and he "ruined it". Things happen, life goes on.
I was a stupid thing, but nobody died, went to jail, got injured or ruined property.
i didnt care where he was but his teammates sure did. several players were quotes as saying they hoped he was ok and were concerned about his whereabouts.
Nalod wrote:🌹 We meed this in our emoji lineup.
What has he done to deserve an emoji? To get an emoji on U.K. Is a badge of honor.
nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
That is not how mental health issues work