Knicks · Report: Rose 🌹 considered walking away from basketball during absence (page 3)
nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
That is not how mental health issues work
martin wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
That is not how mental health issues work
did you get some MSG press release that none of us have access to? did I miss something? otherwise that's purely speculation
nyk4ever wrote:For someone criticizing how another person responded to a situation emotionally (that we still have no details about), you sound pretty emotional yourself. Who is having a pity party? I guess if you don't lob personal insults at people that constitutes a pity party in your head? Maybe Rose isn't the only one in need of a talk with his "mommy?"Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
And regarding Rose revealing what happened, you really think he would care more about his rep than revealing some personal family related situation he may not want to be made public? If that were the case he wouldn't have gone AWOL in the first place. I'm assuming you have a family too, right? You don't understand?
SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
That is not how mental health issues work
did you get some MSG press release that none of us have access to? did I miss something? otherwise that's purely speculation
it is... but when someone is so emotionally distraught that all they can do is be with family and are so overwhelmed they can't make a phone call... not to hard to come to a reasonable conclusion.
martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
That is not how mental health issues work
did you get some MSG press release that none of us have access to? did I miss something? otherwise that's purely speculation
it is... but when someone is so emotionally distraught that all they can do is be with family and are so overwhelmed they can't make a phone call... not to hard to come to a reasonable conclusion.
the Chicago papers are just saying he's coddled and as selfish here as he was there... to me that's much more reasonable than armchair diagnosis
SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
That is not how mental health issues work
did you get some MSG press release that none of us have access to? did I miss something? otherwise that's purely speculation
it is... but when someone is so emotionally distraught that all they can do is be with family and are so overwhelmed they can't make a phone call... not to hard to come to a reasonable conclusion.
the Chicago papers are just saying he's coddled and as selfish here as he was there... to me that's much more reasonable than armchair diagnosis
a lot of the top players are coddled. So what new did the Chicago papers add, especially in the context of what happened here?
martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
That is not how mental health issues work
did you get some MSG press release that none of us have access to? did I miss something? otherwise that's purely speculation
it is... but when someone is so emotionally distraught that all they can do is be with family and are so overwhelmed they can't make a phone call... not to hard to come to a reasonable conclusion.
the Chicago papers are just saying he's coddled and as selfish here as he was there... to me that's much more reasonable than armchair diagnosis
a lot of the top players are coddled. So what new did the Chicago papers add, especially in the context of what happened here?
I'm just saying that their explanation is reasonable. While your explanation is certainly possible, it is completely unreasonable. Putting aside the issue that you certainly aren't a doctor, I don't know too many people that fly from the coast to the middle of the country, deal with "family issues"/their mental break, and then come back the next day at 100%. Again, possible, but you're pulling things out of your butt
Also, I'd like to add that I don't understand why you think it is appropriate to speculate on his mental state, yet you don't think the team should address the issue? Doesn't this exchange prove exactly why the team should more thoroughly address the issue?
SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
That is not how mental health issues work
did you get some MSG press release that none of us have access to? did I miss something? otherwise that's purely speculation
it is... but when someone is so emotionally distraught that all they can do is be with family and are so overwhelmed they can't make a phone call... not to hard to come to a reasonable conclusion.
the Chicago papers are just saying he's coddled and as selfish here as he was there... to me that's much more reasonable than armchair diagnosis
a lot of the top players are coddled. So what new did the Chicago papers add, especially in the context of what happened here?
I'm just saying that their explanation is reasonable. While your explanation is certainly possible, it is completely unreasonable. Putting aside the issue that you certainly aren't a doctor, I don't know too many people that fly from the coast to the middle of the country, deal with "family issues"/their mental break, and then come back the next day at 100%. Again, possible, but you're pulling things out of your butt
I am, but so is everyone else too. All I've said is that it is one possible explanation and if it is the case, having Rose or someone from the front office come out and sit in front of the camera and explain it directly to you and whoever else is pouting for a direct answer and more details is not the way it will or has been handled.
The Knick's front office and Rose and team have already made a decision to move on, for better or worse. They've decided a fine was better than suspension.
SupremeCommander wrote:Also, I'd like to add that I don't understand why you think it is appropriate to speculate on his mental state, yet you don't think the team should address the issue? Doesn't this exchange prove exactly why the team should more thoroughly address the issue?
because if it is a mental health issue, that's probably a private one to sort out first, and then at the right time, address it more publicly (if at all)
martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
That is not how mental health issues work
did you get some MSG press release that none of us have access to? did I miss something? otherwise that's purely speculation
it is... but when someone is so emotionally distraught that all they can do is be with family and are so overwhelmed they can't make a phone call... not to hard to come to a reasonable conclusion.
the Chicago papers are just saying he's coddled and as selfish here as he was there... to me that's much more reasonable than armchair diagnosis
a lot of the top players are coddled. So what new did the Chicago papers add, especially in the context of what happened here?
I'm just saying that their explanation is reasonable. While your explanation is certainly possible, it is completely unreasonable. Putting aside the issue that you certainly aren't a doctor, I don't know too many people that fly from the coast to the middle of the country, deal with "family issues"/their mental break, and then come back the next day at 100%. Again, possible, but you're pulling things out of your butt
I am, but so is everyone else too. All I've said is that it is one possible explanation and if it is the case, having Rose or someone from the front office come out and sit in front of the camera and explain it directly to you and whoever else is pouting for a direct answer and more details is not the way it will or has been handled.
The Knick's front office and Rose and team have already made a decision to move on, for better or worse. They've decided a fine was better than suspension.
which is exactly why I'm getting so chesty about this. The whole thing has been mismanaged. And, now, again, The Ship Be Sinkin!
All of us forum folk essentially will having nothing to look forward to, unless we can get Donnie Walsh back for an everything must go sale
martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Also, I'd like to add that I don't understand why you think it is appropriate to speculate on his mental state, yet you don't think the team should address the issue? Doesn't this exchange prove exactly why the team should more thoroughly address the issue?because if it is a mental health issue, that's probably a private one to sort out first, and then at the right time, address it more publicly (if at all)
So I just googled "NBAPA Mental Health" and found[url="http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/david_aldridge/06/13/morning-tip-royce-white-mental-health-in-nba-segment-nobody-asked-me-but-hack-a-strategy-solutions/"]this[/url]
Interesting... I would have assumed the league would have mechanisms in place to get the mentally ill help and support, and in fact take the issue off the team's plate. Wrong.
But back to our convo, I don't think he's mentally ill. I think he offered a BS explanation. That's my armchair investigative work
Vmart wrote:Nalod wrote:🌹 We meed this in our emoji lineup.What has he done to deserve an emoji? To get an emoji on U.K. Is a badge of honor.
Pringles earned his how???
Nalod wrote:Vmart wrote:Nalod wrote:🌹 We meed this in our emoji lineup.What has he done to deserve an emoji? To get an emoji on U.K. Is a badge of honor.
Pringles earned his how???
Pringles was the god-father of the three ball offense...But I'm for more emojis...Love the Rose emoji..🌹
martin wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:I think 99% of everybody on this board has slammed him for not communicating with the team. You're not exactly breaking any new ground other than the personal insults about a situation we know nothing about.Welpee wrote:nyk4ever wrote:what a fucking mental midget, a fucking pussy. get this guy off the team. he has to go cry to his mommy when he's an emotional wreck? what a joke. i don't need guys like that on my team.Pretty judgmental for someone who doesn't have any facts about what took place. Would you rather him do what a ton of others do and turn to drugs or alcohol? There are worse things you can do when you're in a bad way than go to "mommy" as you put it.yeah, let's deter from what actually happened. the guy left the team without telling anyone, didn't answer phone calls from his employer, and most importantly, missed a game when the team needed him most. but yeah, let's be happy he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and focus on me saying he went crying to "mommy," even though that's what he did.
what is there to know? here's what i DO know; rose left the team. rose did not communicate with the team. team was worried why a player suddenly went awol. rose comes back and says he was a wreck emotionally and wanted to be with his mom. if something legitimately happened, rose would have said so, so his name didn't get dragged through the mud, like it is, especially since he thinks he's a max player, in a contract year.
i won't join the pity party with you, i won't be part of it. this team has been through enough and doesn't need anymore mentally fragile players. enough is enough, but please, by all means, enjoy your derrick rose pity-party.
That is not how mental health issues work
IF, and i know you are just speculating, but IF he has some mental health issues, then i don't want him on the team. this fanbase deserves some mentally tough players who aren't going to run for the hills when the going gets tough, because unfortunately, with this franchise the going gets tough pretty damn often. can't win with a guy like that. and this is coming from someone who LOVED derrick rose and projected him as a #1 pick long before anyone else did, including briggs.
SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Also, I'd like to add that I don't understand why you think it is appropriate to speculate on his mental state, yet you don't think the team should address the issue? Doesn't this exchange prove exactly why the team should more thoroughly address the issue?because if it is a mental health issue, that's probably a private one to sort out first, and then at the right time, address it more publicly (if at all)
So I just googled "NBAPA Mental Health" and found[url="http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/david_aldridge/06/13/morning-tip-royce-white-mental-health-in-nba-segment-nobody-asked-me-but-hack-a-strategy-solutions/"]this[/url]
Interesting... I would have assumed the league would have mechanisms in place to get the mentally ill help and support, and in fact take the issue off the team's plate. Wrong.
But back to our convo, I don't think he's mentally ill. I think he offered a BS explanation. That's my armchair investigative work
100% agree. it was a cop-out because he's in a contract year and doesn't want to give off the perception that he's not a team player. he got benched in the 4th quarter and took it to heart, got upset, decided it was easier to run away from his problem then face it with the rest of his team. that is no teammate i want by my side.
nyk4ever wrote:This makes so little sense. He shows up for shoot around and decides to make a statement going AWOL for a game without telling anybody because he's upset about a benching? A more plausible explanation is there was something going on with this family that 99.9% of us may have reacted differently to. He probably knew it wouldn't warrant permission to skip a game to deal with so he took the approach of "just do it and ask for forgiveness later."SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Also, I'd like to add that I don't understand why you think it is appropriate to speculate on his mental state, yet you don't think the team should address the issue? Doesn't this exchange prove exactly why the team should more thoroughly address the issue?because if it is a mental health issue, that's probably a private one to sort out first, and then at the right time, address it more publicly (if at all)
So I just googled "NBAPA Mental Health" and found[url="http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/david_aldridge/06/13/morning-tip-royce-white-mental-health-in-nba-segment-nobody-asked-me-but-hack-a-strategy-solutions/"]this[/url]
Interesting... I would have assumed the league would have mechanisms in place to get the mentally ill help and support, and in fact take the issue off the team's plate. Wrong.
But back to our convo, I don't think he's mentally ill. I think he offered a BS explanation. That's my armchair investigative work
100% agree. it was a cop-out because he's in a contract year and doesn't want to give off the perception that he's not a team player. he got benched in the 4th quarter and took it to heart, got upset, decided it was easier to run away from his problem then face it with the rest of his team. that is no teammate i want by my side.
Still totally unacceptable and wrong. I would bet his explanation wasn't BS in terms of being a lie, but BS in terms of not being an acceptable reason for missing a game. Again, based on what we know at this point there's no reason to doubt what he said. Also no way to spin his actions as being reasonable either. But this being a reaction to being benched in the 4th quarter only makes sense to people who were anti-Rose to begin with. And I have no idea how anyone can pass judgement on him not being tough without knowing the details of the circumstances he was dealing with. You don't come back from his injury history and get back to the level he's at now without being physically and mentally tough.
Players (and forum posters) who think they're "tough" can be broken down by family circumstances. These dudes are still people not emotionless video game characters.