TPercy wrote:Is that he is out here proclaiming Knicks should improve there defense or that Hornacek should call people out on it more.. then he gives up 28 needless points to Dennis Schroeder. Like how does that work?
That's why I've grown tired of their media talk. Its just noise with no substance. Makes them look more phony.
Fact is, this team would look at least mediocre-to-decent if players simply put more energy and effort on D. I'm not talking about rotations and strategies perse, but simply effort.
Melo can rant all he wants about the loss to Philly, but did he even try hard to defend the play? He didn't even get his hands up, and that has been a trend with him. Same with Rose. Rose talks on the media about more defensive effort, then plays like he can't give crap about it.
This is why I'm sold on Melo and Rose being gone. I hope their lack of professionalism there isn't picked up by the many talented young players we have.
yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:Rose played horribly defensively, yes..But the problem is also team defense as well...Good PG like Rose and Schroeder can get by their men but it's what happens at the second layer...No PG and stay in front of Rose and Schroeder...You always other teams contest Rose at the rim and our team contest no one...So it's defensive schemes as well...
I'm sorry what makes Rose a good pg?
You might have miss the year he won league MVP where he averaged close to 8 assist per game..Clearly he is trying to figure out how to fit in...I get that people are impatient when it come to anyone on the Knicks..But when he figures out where players like to get the ball on his next team, he will be good...he looks like shet now but he will get better...
I didn't miss it or the years after it. He isn't the same player and have not adapted his game to fit his current abilities. His lack of vision and inability to remove the jump pass from his game kills His offensive worth. On top of that his D is among the league worst for guards and has never been good.
I never expected Rose to be efficient scorer but I do expect him to be an efficient qb of the offense.
He definitely is a scoring PG and not your classic orchestrator...I think the expectations are a bit high thinking an NBA PG can say in front of other quick guys given the new rules...We see Rose get to the rim at will..Only difference is that he weaves thru other front lines..Our front line/rim protector is non existent..
My pause on labeling Rose is because the overall defense is bad...So I'm not sure how to compare it to other teams PG given the defensive schemes..It's like many her saying Melo can't win, how do we know if the rest of the team is bad...
I still think its a process with him..I think it's crazy to write him off one way or the other...The physical tools are coming back and he is just learning to adjust his game...
But If Melo is gone there is no reason to resign him...
Rose has always been a bad defender. All I want from rose is Reggie Jackson(last year)/Shroeder type level of guard play offensively.
A lot of players defense gets exposed if you put them in certain situations. His defense was never a big problem in chicago because majority of his teammates were rock solid on that end (similar to allan houston) so all he had to do was score and make the occasionally pass.
Now you bring him here because you need penetration to open things up, and never really thought about his ability to actually pass.
You just need to watch the games, Rose is lost on defense. He's not aware of when he should stay on the perimeter or when he should clog the lane, he just watches the ball and then gets lost. On that last play when Atlanta had the ball why did he drift away from Schroeder? There were plenty of guys clogging the paint already. He just plain forgot and stared at the ball and lost track of his man. He's a big liability on defense and probably net negative on offense as well, all he does is drive with his head down and he doesn't give us open looks.
I'm for starting both Baker at PG and Lee at SG and bench Rose as an energy guy. He's a good energy guy against a second unit where being a defensive liability hopefully isn't a big deal.
shockingly, his numbers this year are all kind of in line with the last few years. I think you guys give him grief for turn overs- the real challenge is he isn't as creative as other PGs out there, even ones with less talent.
Give him a jar of Vaseline and he is Marbury 2.0 with less dimes.
His defense is awful - and has been, statistically, since 2013/14.
A team can live with a defensive liability - but we have too many - Melo, Rose, Jennings.
Rose just wants to go back to the Thibs days, where he made everyone else on the team play defense so rose didn't have to
While I agree with this, what really pisses me off is some of the layups he takes... he ain't an MVP no more
Rose is another ball stopper on a team that conceptually wants the ball and players to move.
