Knicks · Melo and Phil to meet in next few days (page 2)

arkrud @ 1/17/2017 3:25 PM
Nalod wrote:
Chandler wrote:Phil needs to tell melo he needs to lead the team by example. Lead in effort, in passing, in doing the little things, and most important defense. His offense will come in the natural course of things

He also needs to tell him this is what it feels like to have the spot light on you, and stop talking. It effects team chemistry.

Melo will have to initiate any discussion about trades, e.g., possible landing spots. But seriously even without the NTC this seems remote. How would we get a trade to work -- who would give real value in return

Im kind of thinking tall this has been said or implied for 3 years?

Real value in return? Sometimes addition by subtraction alone is helpful, but the fact is we can get good assets by trade.
I don't see Melo as the problem on this team. THe problem is not that obvious either.

Why Phil will keep repeating the obvious?
You cannot teach the tiger to eat grass.
Value of the player can only be found when he is on the market.
Things which are not for sale have no value.

holfresh @ 1/17/2017 3:57 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18496...

New York Knicks president Phil Jackson met with Carmelo Anthony on Tuesday and asked the star forward if he would like to remain with the team, sources close to the situation told ESPN.

The meeting took place after Anthony's public comments earlier this week about a critical column written by a confidant of Jackson's.

Anthony, who has a no-trade clause, said Monday he was still loyal to the Knicks, but hoped management would speak to him directly if it felt as negatively about his future with the team as it was portrayed in a column written by Charley Rosen, who has worked with Jackson on his books.

Jackson met with Anthony to discuss those comments and his feelings about remaining with the organization for the final two years on his contract. One source described the meeting as far more contentious than previous sit-downs between Jackson and Anthony.

No specific trades were discussed, sources said, as both sides left the meeting to take time to process the situation and wait on Anthony's answer as to whether he wants to remain with the Knicks or accept a trade elsewhere.

Anthony has appeared annoyed when addressing the situation with the media in recent days, specifically when asked about the insinuation in Rosen's column that he was no longer valuable to the team.

"If that's the case, if that's where it's coming from, that side, I guess it's a conversation we should have,'' Anthony said Sunday. "If they feel my time in New York is over, I guess that's a conversation we should have."

Neither Jackson nor general manager Steve Mills addressed the situation with Anthony on Monday, the star forward said after the Knicks' 108-107 loss to the Atlanta Hawks.

The Knicks (18-24) are in a free fall on the court, having lost 11 of their past 13 games.

newyorker4ever @ 1/17/2017 4:05 PM
franco12 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
arkrud wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:All that will come out of this is assurance that Melo is staying a Knick.
I've given up on a Melo trade.

I actually like Melo. I think he's a good player and is true towards the Knicks. I think he's been a good big bro for KP. I just think Rose/Jennings/Lee have come in and ruined the entire team chemistry. It just didn't fit.

Rebuild the team around KP/Melo, with Melo as a point forward 4 man, and KP as the 5. Horny needs athletic shooters at 3, 2 and 1. We just need to unload some of the disgruntled zero defense playing vets ASAP. We need to find players who play like Kuz, Baker and Holiday, only better and more capable to start at 3, 2 and 1. I think we have no other choice but to go this way since Melo won't waive his NTC.

I'm fine with it, so long as Melo allows KP to keep developing which I think he will. We'll be adding a lottery pick in the summer and can get younger and more athletic with the draft pick and other moves we make.

Even if Melo retires a Knick, so long as the team around him is KP and other younger guys developing, it's fine with me. Just get rid of the self entitled vets who play zero defense and think way too highly of their accomplishments.

What i feel Melo needs on this team if he stays here is a star player that is a leader on and off the court. I think Melo is only a leader with his offensive numbers he puts up but not where you need your leader most which is vocally on the court and in the locker room. Melo is a quiet guy and not the kind of guy to take over vocally on the court and on the sidelines and while Rose would be good enough with his stats as well he's also a quiet guy. You would think that Noah would of done that but i think he's more a leader with his actions on the court and his energy so either find a way to get that star player that will take over the leadership role which will be tough to do or trade every vet we can trade and just go young and keep building which Melo will either get behind but will also have to realize that he's not gonna be doing much winning if we go young and because of that he might decide to waive his NTC and go elsewhere that he can win right away. If we could get C.Paul on this team next year i think he'd be exactly what we need with his leadership and being Melo's buddy maybe Melo would let him take that leadership role and having C.Paul would help getting other bigger name players to come here.

We had the lesser version of leader like Paul in Billups and it worked very well.
This kind of player even if he is at the tail end of his prime is paramount for team building in NBA or any team sport.
This kind of players is very hard to get. Most of the time organization have to be lucky to have them emerged from inside.
If I would be Melo I will do just about anything to have Paul as his PG.

Wow....would agree. Good post. We all have to realize that there are 29 teams a year and fan bases that feel they made mistakes in personnel. There are probably only about 5 teams a year that feel they are going in the right direction. There are 15 million fans that feel they can do a better job. Fact is, you can only change obvious deficiencies. Melo is not going anywhere, NTC, loves NY (don't know why) is not a quitter and doesn't want to take easy way out like KD. So what do we really need to do. Noah didn't work.out, tey to trade him, not many takers and play KO or Willy or KP at 5. Rose, didn't work.out, get a pro PG that can make open shots, play some defense and run an offense. Get a better SG. Has Lee played better than AA? Lastly, get a defensive minded coordinator to teach some defense.

I can't see how you can say Noah didn't work out half way through the season and he's been playing much better lately especially with his rebounding. Anyone that thought he was coming here to put up some great offensive numbers were fooling themselves cause that's not what he does. He'll never be the Noah of old but he can still defend and rebound enough to start for us and the only thing to take him away from starting is if they make the switch of Melo to the 4 spot and put KP at the 5. Now i would have no problem trading Noah especially if we were gonna make those switches but KOQ is not a starter and think he's perfect for a first center off the bench role.

I just looked at Noah's numbers- they're not bad. Of course, what counts is wins & losses, and how it seems.

Rose & Jennings are the big offenders.

Yeah even though Noah is overpaid in todays NBA he's not all that overpaid and he's been playing much better the last couple of weeks or so. His rebounding has been great. I believe the main problem is we still don't have the right PG for Melo and think C.Paul would be perfect for him. I said this somewhere else on this board but i feel like Melo needs to become the GM and use his friendship with C.Paul and get him to sign with the Knicks after this season. Not so sure Paul would go for it since he's already in a really good spot and on a good team but he'd be better off getting out of the west for sure.

smackeddog @ 1/17/2017 4:06 PM
knicks1248 wrote:The idea of flipping this roster for a 4th straight year, would be absolutely comical. just think,Would you work for a company with such a high turnover, no stability, no leadership.

For $20mil a year, and its optional for you to actually show up, you can go on hiatus if you feel like it and can mail it in if you're feeling a little tired, of course!

GoNyGoNyGo @ 1/17/2017 4:08 PM
Melo wants to stay. End of story.

Now play some damn defense!

crzymdups @ 1/17/2017 4:09 PM

newyorker4ever @ 1/17/2017 4:10 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
arkrud wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:All that will come out of this is assurance that Melo is staying a Knick.
I've given up on a Melo trade.

I actually like Melo. I think he's a good player and is true towards the Knicks. I think he's been a good big bro for KP. I just think Rose/Jennings/Lee have come in and ruined the entire team chemistry. It just didn't fit.

Rebuild the team around KP/Melo, with Melo as a point forward 4 man, and KP as the 5. Horny needs athletic shooters at 3, 2 and 1. We just need to unload some of the disgruntled zero defense playing vets ASAP. We need to find players who play like Kuz, Baker and Holiday, only better and more capable to start at 3, 2 and 1. I think we have no other choice but to go this way since Melo won't waive his NTC.

I'm fine with it, so long as Melo allows KP to keep developing which I think he will. We'll be adding a lottery pick in the summer and can get younger and more athletic with the draft pick and other moves we make.

Even if Melo retires a Knick, so long as the team around him is KP and other younger guys developing, it's fine with me. Just get rid of the self entitled vets who play zero defense and think way too highly of their accomplishments.

What i feel Melo needs on this team if he stays here is a star player that is a leader on and off the court. I think Melo is only a leader with his offensive numbers he puts up but not where you need your leader most which is vocally on the court and in the locker room. Melo is a quiet guy and not the kind of guy to take over vocally on the court and on the sidelines and while Rose would be good enough with his stats as well he's also a quiet guy. You would think that Noah would of done that but i think he's more a leader with his actions on the court and his energy so either find a way to get that star player that will take over the leadership role which will be tough to do or trade every vet we can trade and just go young and keep building which Melo will either get behind but will also have to realize that he's not gonna be doing much winning if we go young and because of that he might decide to waive his NTC and go elsewhere that he can win right away. If we could get C.Paul on this team next year i think he'd be exactly what we need with his leadership and being Melo's buddy maybe Melo would let him take that leadership role and having C.Paul would help getting other bigger name players to come here.

We had the lesser version of leader like Paul in Billups and it worked very well.
This kind of player even if he is at the tail end of his prime is paramount for team building in NBA or any team sport.
This kind of players is very hard to get. Most of the time organization have to be lucky to have them emerged from inside.
If I would be Melo I will do just about anything to have Paul as his PG.

Wow....would agree. Good post. We all have to realize that there are 29 teams a year and fan bases that feel they made mistakes in personnel. There are probably only about 5 teams a year that feel they are going in the right direction. There are 15 million fans that feel they can do a better job. Fact is, you can only change obvious deficiencies. Melo is not going anywhere, NTC, loves NY (don't know why) is not a quitter and doesn't want to take easy way out like KD. So what do we really need to do. Noah didn't work.out, tey to trade him, not many takers and play KO or Willy or KP at 5. Rose, didn't work.out, get a pro PG that can make open shots, play some defense and run an offense. Get a better SG. Has Lee played better than AA? Lastly, get a defensive minded coordinator to teach some defense.

I can't see how you can say Noah didn't work out half way through the season and he's been playing much better lately especially with his rebounding. Anyone that thought he was coming here to put up some great offensive numbers were fooling themselves cause that's not what he does. He'll never be the Noah of old but he can still defend and rebound enough to start for us and the only thing to take him away from starting is if they make the switch of Melo to the 4 spot and put KP at the 5. Now i would have no problem trading Noah especially if we were gonna make those switches but KOQ is not a starter and think he's perfect for a first center off the bench role.

I have 17 million reasons and 4 year contract to say he has not worked out. Sure he has some value and is a gutsy player. But a 17m starter he is not. You just mentioned attributes that we could have gotten from many parenial back ups. KO comes to mind. Aldridge. Etc. But I hope your right and I'm wrong and he doesn't turn out to be a big restriction against our cap and ability to improve. But it's already looking that way. Btw, did you notice JH may be benching him?

He was gonna get that 17 million per from someone and if he's not worth 17 then it's not far off of that number that he is worth with the contracts that have been handed out the last two years, maybe you should take a loook at what players got last offseason and start with someone like Briggs' boy A.Crabbe.

I did see that he might get moved to the bench but have you been paying attention that if that happens that it would have more to do with getting Melo to play his better position at the 4 spot and KP at the 5 more than it would have to do with how Noah is playing??

crzymdups @ 1/17/2017 4:11 PM
Worth noting Ramona Shelburne is likely reporting Phil Jackson's side of things here - (She's Jeannie Buss's best friend, LA-based, deep Lakers sources, etc)

crzymdups @ 1/17/2017 4:11 PM
Phil's somewhat cowardly decision to give Melo the no-trade - making it so that if Melo ever left NYK it'd have to look like Melo's decision - is backfiring now. Phil's hands are completely tied.
crzymdups @ 1/17/2017 4:13 PM
Knixkik @ 1/17/2017 4:15 PM
crzymdups wrote:

Good. Now its time to build a team the right way around KP and Melo. None of this awkward lineup stuff. KP at the 5, Melo at the 4, Kuz at the 3, Baker/Lee at the 2. Eventually, we will find a new PG, either via draft or free agency other than Rose (maybe Darren Collison could be a nice stopgap), and add a SF who can really defend to split time with Kuz. We will take a step back in overall talent, but we will see a much improved team.

GustavBahler @ 1/17/2017 4:16 PM
The longer this stuff goes on, tne greater the chance Dolan will step in. Melo might outlast Phil.
crzymdups @ 1/17/2017 4:49 PM


Money quote - remember the team has struggled since that Lakers game? That's the last time Phil spoke to Melo before this about his ball stopping. They were 14-10 after that game. They're 4-14 since. Nice work, Phil.

The Jackson-Anthony relationship, which has been on the rocks for nearly two years, has deteriorated rapidly this season. Anthony was upset that Jackson was quoted as saying that the nine-time All Star stalls the offense. They met briefly in Los Angeles last month to discuss the comment.
nyknickzingis @ 1/17/2017 4:50 PM
crzymdups wrote:Phil's somewhat cowardly decision to give Melo the no-trade - making it so that if Melo ever left NYK it'd have to look like Melo's decision - is backfiring now. Phil's hands are completely tied.

Phil was brought in to keep Melo and Melo wanted that to stay. He was leaving if they didn't give him that NTC and no way Dolan wanted Phil to let that happen.

arkrud @ 1/17/2017 5:06 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Phil's somewhat cowardly decision to give Melo the no-trade - making it so that if Melo ever left NYK it'd have to look like Melo's decision - is backfiring now. Phil's hands are completely tied.

Phil was brought in to keep Melo and Melo wanted that to stay. He was leaving if they didn't give him that NTC and no way Dolan wanted Phil to let that happen.

Not sure why it is even discussed.
Unless Melo want to change something in his life there is no ground for discussions.
Whatever Phil, or Dolan, or whoever wants is irrelevant.
Melo is the ONLY ONE to have power to make the DECISION.

Vmart @ 1/17/2017 5:18 PM
A simple phone call would have sufficed.
HofstraBBall @ 1/17/2017 5:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:

Lol. Posted same earlier. If Phil keeps playing games and moves dont pan out.....he will be fired by Melo

GustavBahler @ 1/17/2017 5:43 PM
crzymdups wrote:

I believe the exact words were "You leave mother#%£¥€}!!!

HofstraBBall @ 1/17/2017 5:51 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
arkrud wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:All that will come out of this is assurance that Melo is staying a Knick.
I've given up on a Melo trade.

I actually like Melo. I think he's a good player and is true towards the Knicks. I think he's been a good big bro for KP. I just think Rose/Jennings/Lee have come in and ruined the entire team chemistry. It just didn't fit.

Rebuild the team around KP/Melo, with Melo as a point forward 4 man, and KP as the 5. Horny needs athletic shooters at 3, 2 and 1. We just need to unload some of the disgruntled zero defense playing vets ASAP. We need to find players who play like Kuz, Baker and Holiday, only better and more capable to start at 3, 2 and 1. I think we have no other choice but to go this way since Melo won't waive his NTC.

I'm fine with it, so long as Melo allows KP to keep developing which I think he will. We'll be adding a lottery pick in the summer and can get younger and more athletic with the draft pick and other moves we make.

Even if Melo retires a Knick, so long as the team around him is KP and other younger guys developing, it's fine with me. Just get rid of the self entitled vets who play zero defense and think way too highly of their accomplishments.

What i feel Melo needs on this team if he stays here is a star player that is a leader on and off the court. I think Melo is only a leader with his offensive numbers he puts up but not where you need your leader most which is vocally on the court and in the locker room. Melo is a quiet guy and not the kind of guy to take over vocally on the court and on the sidelines and while Rose would be good enough with his stats as well he's also a quiet guy. You would think that Noah would of done that but i think he's more a leader with his actions on the court and his energy so either find a way to get that star player that will take over the leadership role which will be tough to do or trade every vet we can trade and just go young and keep building which Melo will either get behind but will also have to realize that he's not gonna be doing much winning if we go young and because of that he might decide to waive his NTC and go elsewhere that he can win right away. If we could get C.Paul on this team next year i think he'd be exactly what we need with his leadership and being Melo's buddy maybe Melo would let him take that leadership role and having C.Paul would help getting other bigger name players to come here.

We had the lesser version of leader like Paul in Billups and it worked very well.
This kind of player even if he is at the tail end of his prime is paramount for team building in NBA or any team sport.
This kind of players is very hard to get. Most of the time organization have to be lucky to have them emerged from inside.
If I would be Melo I will do just about anything to have Paul as his PG.

Wow....would agree. Good post. We all have to realize that there are 29 teams a year and fan bases that feel they made mistakes in personnel. There are probably only about 5 teams a year that feel they are going in the right direction. There are 15 million fans that feel they can do a better job. Fact is, you can only change obvious deficiencies. Melo is not going anywhere, NTC, loves NY (don't know why) is not a quitter and doesn't want to take easy way out like KD. So what do we really need to do. Noah didn't work.out, tey to trade him, not many takers and play KO or Willy or KP at 5. Rose, didn't work.out, get a pro PG that can make open shots, play some defense and run an offense. Get a better SG. Has Lee played better than AA? Lastly, get a defensive minded coordinator to teach some defense.

I can't see how you can say Noah didn't work out half way through the season and he's been playing much better lately especially with his rebounding. Anyone that thought he was coming here to put up some great offensive numbers were fooling themselves cause that's not what he does. He'll never be the Noah of old but he can still defend and rebound enough to start for us and the only thing to take him away from starting is if they make the switch of Melo to the 4 spot and put KP at the 5. Now i would have no problem trading Noah especially if we were gonna make those switches but KOQ is not a starter and think he's perfect for a first center off the bench role.

I have 17 million reasons and 4 year contract to say he has not worked out. Sure he has some value and is a gutsy player. But a 17m starter he is not. You just mentioned attributes that we could have gotten from many parenial back ups. KO comes to mind. Aldridge. Etc. But I hope your right and I'm wrong and he doesn't turn out to be a big restriction against our cap and ability to improve. But it's already looking that way. Btw, did you notice JH may be benching him?

He was gonna get that 17 million per from someone and if he's not worth 17 then it's not far off of that number that he is worth with the contracts that have been handed out the last two years, maybe you should take a loook at what players got last offseason and start with someone like Briggs' boy A.Crabbe.

I did see that he might get moved to the bench but have you been paying attention that if that happens that it would have more to do with getting Melo to play his better position at the 4 spot and KP at the 5 more than it would have to do with how Noah is playing??

Disagree, only Phil thought he was worth 17M. Would of preffered Seraphin and flexibility. Shit.. even Roy Hibbert 1 year 5M, Cole Aldrich 3 years 22M, Dwight Powell, Marreese Speights 1 year minimum. Tyler Zeller. Anyone of those guys wont be outplayed by Noah.

arkrud @ 1/17/2017 5:52 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
crzymdups wrote:

I believe the exact words were "You leave mother#%£¥€}!!!

Absolutely. Melo saw this all GMs and coaches before.
They does not have any value in NBA. Molo does.
There are some dudes like Pop, or Rileys, of Vangandys who have to much power.
But Melo is smart to stay away from this f..ers.

Bonn1997 @ 1/17/2017 6:12 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
arkrud wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:All that will come out of this is assurance that Melo is staying a Knick.
I've given up on a Melo trade.

I actually like Melo. I think he's a good player and is true towards the Knicks. I think he's been a good big bro for KP. I just think Rose/Jennings/Lee have come in and ruined the entire team chemistry. It just didn't fit.

Rebuild the team around KP/Melo, with Melo as a point forward 4 man, and KP as the 5. Horny needs athletic shooters at 3, 2 and 1. We just need to unload some of the disgruntled zero defense playing vets ASAP. We need to find players who play like Kuz, Baker and Holiday, only better and more capable to start at 3, 2 and 1. I think we have no other choice but to go this way since Melo won't waive his NTC.

I'm fine with it, so long as Melo allows KP to keep developing which I think he will. We'll be adding a lottery pick in the summer and can get younger and more athletic with the draft pick and other moves we make.

Even if Melo retires a Knick, so long as the team around him is KP and other younger guys developing, it's fine with me. Just get rid of the self entitled vets who play zero defense and think way too highly of their accomplishments.

What i feel Melo needs on this team if he stays here is a star player that is a leader on and off the court. I think Melo is only a leader with his offensive numbers he puts up but not where you need your leader most which is vocally on the court and in the locker room. Melo is a quiet guy and not the kind of guy to take over vocally on the court and on the sidelines and while Rose would be good enough with his stats as well he's also a quiet guy. You would think that Noah would of done that but i think he's more a leader with his actions on the court and his energy so either find a way to get that star player that will take over the leadership role which will be tough to do or trade every vet we can trade and just go young and keep building which Melo will either get behind but will also have to realize that he's not gonna be doing much winning if we go young and because of that he might decide to waive his NTC and go elsewhere that he can win right away. If we could get C.Paul on this team next year i think he'd be exactly what we need with his leadership and being Melo's buddy maybe Melo would let him take that leadership role and having C.Paul would help getting other bigger name players to come here.

We had the lesser version of leader like Paul in Billups and it worked very well.
This kind of player even if he is at the tail end of his prime is paramount for team building in NBA or any team sport.
This kind of players is very hard to get. Most of the time organization have to be lucky to have them emerged from inside.
If I would be Melo I will do just about anything to have Paul as his PG.

Wow....would agree. Good post. We all have to realize that there are 29 teams a year and fan bases that feel they made mistakes in personnel. There are probably only about 5 teams a year that feel they are going in the right direction. There are 15 million fans that feel they can do a better job. Fact is, you can only change obvious deficiencies. Melo is not going anywhere, NTC, loves NY (don't know why) is not a quitter and doesn't want to take easy way out like KD. So what do we really need to do. Noah didn't work.out, tey to trade him, not many takers and play KO or Willy or KP at 5. Rose, didn't work.out, get a pro PG that can make open shots, play some defense and run an offense. Get a better SG. Has Lee played better than AA? Lastly, get a defensive minded coordinator to teach some defense.

I can't see how you can say Noah didn't work out half way through the season and he's been playing much better lately especially with his rebounding. Anyone that thought he was coming here to put up some great offensive numbers were fooling themselves cause that's not what he does. He'll never be the Noah of old but he can still defend and rebound enough to start for us and the only thing to take him away from starting is if they make the switch of Melo to the 4 spot and put KP at the 5. Now i would have no problem trading Noah especially if we were gonna make those switches but KOQ is not a starter and think he's perfect for a first center off the bench role.

I have 17 million reasons and 4 year contract to say he has not worked out. Sure he has some value and is a gutsy player. But a 17m starter he is not. You just mentioned attributes that we could have gotten from many parenial back ups. KO comes to mind. Aldridge. Etc. But I hope your right and I'm wrong and he doesn't turn out to be a big restriction against our cap and ability to improve. But it's already looking that way. Btw, did you notice JH may be benching him?

He was gonna get that 17 million per from someone and if he's not worth 17 then it's not far off of that number that he is worth with the contracts that have been handed out the last two years, maybe you should take a loook at what players got last offseason and start with someone like Briggs' boy A.Crabbe.

I did see that he might get moved to the bench but have you been paying attention that if that happens that it would have more to do with getting Melo to play his better position at the 4 spot and KP at the 5 more than it would have to do with how Noah is playing??


I don't mean this as harsh criticism of Noah - he's OK and he's done about what I expected. But we replaced a $12 mil per year *starter* who worked well with KP with a $17 mil per year backup. (And even if he doesn't get moved to the bench, he's not playing starters minutes.)
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