I don't see a problem with bigger centers. They need to teach him how to front a post up player. That's how you neutralize a post up player and give him help on the backside. Also, how many post up centers are there in the nba that can dominate him? Not a lot
Porzingis
Melo
Kuz
Baker
Rose
Off bench
1st big: OQuinn
1st wing: Holiday
1st guard: Jennings
2nd guard: Lee
2nd big: Noah or Willy
Give it till the all star break to see if any improvements.
NYKBocker wrote:I don't see a problem with bigger centers. They need to teach him how to front a post up player. That's how you neutralize a post up player and give him help on the backside. Also, how many post up centers are there in the nba that can dominate him? Not a lot
EXACTLY!!! It's not worth worrying about the times when KP might get outmuscled when there are going to be more nights where he won't. KP will adjust like he's shown he can do in the past. Like you said Fronting and denying the entry pass more aggressively can go along way. Just don't let bigs get KP on their back.
nixluva wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I don't see a problem with bigger centers. They need to teach him how to front a post up player. That's how you neutralize a post up player and give him help on the backside. Also, how many post up centers are there in the nba that can dominate him? Not a lot
EXACTLY!!! It's not worth worrying about the times when KP might get outmuscled when there are going to be more nights where he won't. KP will adjust like he's shown he can do in the past. Like you said Fronting and denying the entry pass more aggressively can go along way. Just don't let bigs get KP on their back.
Also let's not forget how dominant on offense KP will be vs the stronger slower centers. He'll get more open 3's/ outside shots and when they come out to guard him he will blow by them.... KP will terrorize opposing 5's
The bigger long term issue is Noah is a bad contract. It was a bad contract the moment it was signed. Like when Joe Johnson signed max mega deal with the Hawks and they immediately spent YEARS trying to dump him and that contract away.
It's Noah's first year and he's not a fit and he's got health issues. Three more years of this and eating up big cap space.
Knicks suffered years waiting for two overpaid big men to get off the roster ( STAT and Bargs) and now they simply recreated the problem ( albeit with a player who actually cares and has some heart and real pride in his game, just old and broken down)
This is not a starting lineup problem, it's a FOUR YEAR ROSTER AND SALARY CAP PROBLEM
Ehh I don't think having KP play center with a nagging injury already is the best idea. Just Tank.
wargames wrote:Ehh I don't think having KP play center with a nagging injury already is the best idea. Just Tank.
I don't disagree, but if you have him on the floor, then we should make every effort to win.
If you want to tank, Shelve KP, Dispose of Rose any way one can, Play melo 25 min and let him get his points for his clime towards historical point accumulation on the all time list, and then hope for a top 5 lotto pick.
There is no sure fire franchise player in the draft this year is there?
But, there is still half a season to play and I prefer we make a playoff push but not leverage in order to do so.
In fact, I'd rather we just play the triangle until these bone heads get it. Modified, purified, what ever, do it, lose games and push to the other side and see what happens.
If Rose don't want to be part of this, then dispose of him. Its no secret what we would be doing and what Roses value is, so lets pretend its like some secret that other GM's won't know. They do.
Its not that we ruin his trade value. There is a small market for him. It has to include teams willing to commit to him long term.
Ive been wanting to see this for a consistant basis since last season against Houston and Dallas. Dirk commented afterwards how tough a cover KP was at 5 and it made the Knicks so hard to defend with Melo at the 4.
I don't know if this is actually happening. Road game at Boston? Not the best time to start either. Perhaps KP will rest this one again. I'd rest KP until I am 100% sure he is not going to be bothered by the achilles. Let him practice hard a few days in a row and see if there's swelling next morning. Until there isn't any swelling, don't play him.
wargames wrote:Ehh I don't think having KP play center with a nagging injury already is the best idea. Just Tank.
I never got this, what is saving him from injury playing PF ? If anything playing PF is making him move more on defense. The guy is 7'3 and a block machine on most nights opposing centers won't know how to guard him.
Regardless I miss KP hope he can play soon !
fitzfarm wrote:wargames wrote:Ehh I don't think having KP play center with a nagging injury already is the best idea. Just Tank.
I never got this, what is saving him from injury playing PF ? If anything playing PF is making him move more on defense. The guy is 7'3 and a block machine on most nights opposing centers won't know how to guard him.
Regardless I miss KP hope he can play soon !
This is exactly right. He will have less mileage at the center position. His injury is an overuse injury. Playing center and closer to the basket defensively should be better for his health, not worse.
This move will expose KP and wear him down even more, Dont do it Jeff!!
nyknickzingis wrote:
Porzingis
Melo
Kuz
Baker
RoseOff bench
1st big: OQuinn
1st wing: Holiday
1st guard: Jennings
2nd guard: Lee
2nd big: Noah or Willy
Give it till the all star break to see if any improvements.
I am in agreement.
KOQ is playing well this year and can hit the jumper so he helps the team offensively much more. He still has a tendency to make some dumb mistakes and the team D stats seem to be worse with him in the game as opposed to Noah. SO when D is needed, NOAH should get the action. I would like to see Offense/defense subbing brought back with these two in particular.
Willy needs time so he can learn and grow. He has a low post game and a good touch around the basket.
I like Holiday first and then Jennings. Kuz is a keeper in my eyes. 30 mpg for sure and he will average 15 points. He needs to improve his D, but his IQ is high and it will happen. Kuz/Holiday sharing the 3 makes sense. Lee can get a few minutes there when the team needs to go small. Lee should backup the guards and only play 10-15 mpg. He has been a disappointment to me in terms of his D and lack of movement.
dwiley20 wrote:This move will expose KP and wear him down even more, Dont do it Jeff!!
How would it wear him down? He's a center it's blatantly obvious he's to big to guard 4's . The time is now
fitzfarm wrote:dwiley20 wrote:This move will expose KP and wear him down even more, Dont do it Jeff!!
How would it wear him down? He's a center it's blatantly obvious he's to big to guard 4's . The time is now
It's like people still think there's these oversized, physical centers today. There's only a handful of them left. Most are thin and athletic. The game has changed. We need to catch up. Playing PF will wear him down more, simply by chasing perimeter players around every night. And for the small amount of physical centers still playing big minutes, it's easy to slide him over to the 4 more often in those situations.
I'm guessing people really exaggerate the role the position a player plays has on their injury proneness. I don't know if there are any studies on this. I'd be surprised if players got injured much more when they switched positions. Anyway, he got injured at PF. It's not like PF was saving his body.
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm guessing people really exaggerate the role the position a player plays has on their injury proneness. I don't know if there are any studies on this. I'd be surprised if players got injured much more when they switched positions. Anyway, he got injured at PF. It's not like PF was saving his body.
Yeah, it's a weird myth to say the least. Would love to see some data on it.
It's not the end of the world to give the kid a stretch of games at the 5 and see how he handles it. This is not going to break what is already broken. It might just work great. Let's see what happens.
