meloshouldgo wrote:nixluva wrote:My guess is Melo will back down and accept a trade. It's the only smart play for him. This just isn't working and Rose is not the PG he needed. Rose is basically another version of Melo. Rose is fine as a scoring guard but he simply CAN'T RUN A TEAM!!!
You have come around on Rose, haven't you? The thing is Melo can't win. No matter what you put around him. That's why we need to trade him. Not for any other reason. I still doubt he will waive the NTC though.
Menlo can win, he is a very good basketball player.
He just can't win as the leader and alpha of the team.
Team USA he plays brilliant.
He would play great with CP3 in LA.
I think he would be great in Cleveland with Bron and Kyrie, eventually.
He was also good in his prime when there was a leader with him at the point guard like Billups or Kidd.
Phil has made a big mistake since coming here almost 3 years ago in thinking that Melo could win in the Jordan or Kobe role. Yes he has the talent to do that but not the mindset. He is a laid back nice chill guy who likes to have fun. He doesn't commit to defence. Kobe or Jordan were tough and extremely volatile competitors. They would get on teammates for poor play or lack of effort. It's a shame Melo lacks that extra gear because talent wise he has it all, man. Too bad Phil also never realized that Melo needed a veteran leader at point next to him not a scoring guard like Rose. Rose has failed miserably in adjusting his game for Melo. No leadership at all from Rose. It's so frustrating watching Rose and Melo play because the talent is there but neither has adjusted their game at all to make it better for the team. Both just like to play a certain way and completely ignore the importance of the things that leaders do for the team.
I actually like Melo a lot. Rose I do not like much. For the Knicks rebuilding should be the only option right now.
nyknickzingis wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:nixluva wrote:My guess is Melo will back down and accept a trade. It's the only smart play for him. This just isn't working and Rose is not the PG he needed. Rose is basically another version of Melo. Rose is fine as a scoring guard but he simply CAN'T RUN A TEAM!!!
You have come around on Rose, haven't you? The thing is Melo can't win. No matter what you put around him. That's why we need to trade him. Not for any other reason. I still doubt he will waive the NTC though.
Menlo can win, he is a very good basketball player.
He just can't win as the leader and alpha of the team.
Team USA he plays brilliant.
He would play great with CP3 in LA.
I think he would be great in Cleveland with Bron and Kyrie, eventually.
He was also good in his prime when there was a leader with him at the point guard like Billups or Kidd.
Phil has made a big mistake since coming here almost 3 years ago in thinking that Melo could win in the Jordan or Kobe role. Yes he has the talent to do that but not the mindset. He is a laid back nice chill guy who likes to have fun. He doesn't commit to defence. Kobe or Jordan were tough and extremely volatile competitors. They would get on teammates for poor play or lack of effort. It's a shame Melo lacks that extra gear because talent wise he has it all, man. Too bad Phil also never realized that Melo needed a veteran leader at point next to him not a scoring guard like Rose. Rose has failed miserably in adjusting his game for Melo. No leadership at all from Rose. It's so frustrating watching Rose and Melo play because the talent is there but neither has adjusted their game at all to make it better for the team. Both just like to play a certain way and completely ignore the importance of the things that leaders do for the team.
I actually like Melo a lot. Rose I do not like much. For the Knicks rebuilding should be the only option right now.
This is a great summary of my thoughts as well. I think he would be devastating paired w lebron in particular who would draw the other teams best forward defender
I have mixed feelings about rose. I wouldn't say I don't like him. He may be a square peg in a round hole
Knixkik wrote:This was a bad loss in the sense where it just shows we aren't capable of putting together much. We got beat by a bad team and Rose got badly outplayed by Curry. KP struggled with fouls and on defense, partly because of the fouls, but at least did some good things on the offensive end considering his minutes. Willy put up huge numbers again, and is already better than Noah. Knicks need to fully commit to giving Willy big minutes. They should look to deal Rose, who has been useless as a starting PG, but can offer solid value as a 6th man somewhere, and maybe get a late 1st or early 2nd round pick. At least cut back his minutes and maybe give Jennings an extended look at PG. Also should make sure to get Baker 15-20 min every game. Willy, KP, Melo, and Jennings should be on the floor a lot together. Melo can still be apart of this, his scoring is always needed, but we need to commit to KP and Willy and be consistent in the message we are sending that they are our current core for the youth movement and invest time and effort into their development.
I think we already know what Jennings is (not a starting PG on a winning team) so no need to give him a "look." Otherwise I agree, give Willy, Kuz, Holiday, O'Quinn and Baker more playing time. Noah was benched in Chicago, needs to be benched here. At some point he needs to accept that it's not the teams fault, it's him.
I also think Hornacek is getting a bit of a pass. It may not be totally his fault trying to appease Jackson's desired way of playing while doing what he thinks is right. However, that has nothing to do with what is happening on the defensive end.
