JamesKPolk wrote:knicks1248 wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:knicks1248 wrote:dacash wrote:if we had lost , ppl would be thinking sooooooo differently.
Not really, we are still in the hunt even if we lost, and when im looking around the league, anybody can lose to anybody on any given night.
4 or 5 games in a row and your in the thick of things.
There is nothing to gain by making the playoffs.
Zero. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
Porzingis playoff experience? This is a fantasy to make yourself feel good about being swept by the Cavs in the first round. That's not experience, that's a waste of resources.
The Knicks need to lose for the betterment of the franchise.
we got like 3 solid rookies...your not tired of being on the bottom of the standings, every year talking about the draft..oh the draft, oh the draft. only to grab some half ass project...Im tired of that.
I just want phil to stop changing the roster every damn miniute, and let the coach do him
No we don't.
Willy is solid.
Kuz is 27 years old and a roleplayer at best.
Who else are you referring to? Baker is a nobody.
This teams needs a lot more than Willy and Porzingis to be a contender in the future.
What are you even talking about? When do we talk about the draft every year when WE NEVER HAVE OUR DRAFT PICKS?! Ridiculous statement.
What project did we draft? Porzingis? Damn, sure sucks we got that guy! Better off having 32 year old Melo take 25 shots a game and fight for an 8th seed. We're really going places!
Unless Phil blows up this roster they won't be bad enough to get a top 5 pick! I'm not sure what you think the Knicks chances of falling far enough actually are but they still have a lot of teams ahead of them in a lottery situation. As bad as the losing has been they aren't in the running for that top pick.
JamesKPolk wrote:knicks1248 wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:knicks1248 wrote:dacash wrote:if we had lost , ppl would be thinking sooooooo differently.
Not really, we are still in the hunt even if we lost, and when im looking around the league, anybody can lose to anybody on any given night.
4 or 5 games in a row and your in the thick of things.
There is nothing to gain by making the playoffs.
Zero. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
Porzingis playoff experience? This is a fantasy to make yourself feel good about being swept by the Cavs in the first round. That's not experience, that's a waste of resources.
The Knicks need to lose for the betterment of the franchise.
we got like 3 solid rookies...your not tired of being on the bottom of the standings, every year talking about the draft..oh the draft, oh the draft. only to grab some half ass project...Im tired of that.
I just want phil to stop changing the roster every damn miniute, and let the coach do him
No we don't.
Willy is solid.
Kuz is 27 years old and a roleplayer at best.
Who else are you referring to? Baker is a nobody.
This teams needs a lot more than Willy and Porzingis to be a contender in the future.
What are you even talking about? When do we talk about the draft every year when WE NEVER HAVE OUR DRAFT PICKS?! Ridiculous statement.
What project did we draft? Porzingis? Damn, sure sucks we got that guy! Better off having 32 year old Melo take 25 shots a game and fight for an 8th seed. We're really going places!
Kuz is a rookie. He wasn't drafted so he is a copeland like signing. Willy, Baker, Plumlee and Ndour are all rookies. Hornacek has said Plumlee is a beast in practice and he wants to get him playing time. The Knicks have their picks from now on. The Knicks have young guys, picks and assets. Not sure that the guy that gets ten cents on the dollar in trades can do anything with that but denying what the roster has now and the team has in the future sounds like a hater.
CrushAlot wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:knicks1248 wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:knicks1248 wrote:dacash wrote:if we had lost , ppl would be thinking sooooooo differently.
Not really, we are still in the hunt even if we lost, and when im looking around the league, anybody can lose to anybody on any given night.
4 or 5 games in a row and your in the thick of things.
There is nothing to gain by making the playoffs.
Zero. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
Porzingis playoff experience? This is a fantasy to make yourself feel good about being swept by the Cavs in the first round. That's not experience, that's a waste of resources.
The Knicks need to lose for the betterment of the franchise.
we got like 3 solid rookies...your not tired of being on the bottom of the standings, every year talking about the draft..oh the draft, oh the draft. only to grab some half ass project...Im tired of that.
I just want phil to stop changing the roster every damn miniute, and let the coach do him
No we don't.
Willy is solid.
Kuz is 27 years old and a roleplayer at best.
Who else are you referring to? Baker is a nobody.
This teams needs a lot more than Willy and Porzingis to be a contender in the future.
What are you even talking about? When do we talk about the draft every year when WE NEVER HAVE OUR DRAFT PICKS?! Ridiculous statement.
What project did we draft? Porzingis? Damn, sure sucks we got that guy! Better off having 32 year old Melo take 25 shots a game and fight for an 8th seed. We're really going places!
Kuz is a rookie. He wasn't drafted so he is a copeland like signing. Willy, Baker, Plumlee and Ndour are all rookies. Hornacek has said Plumlee is a beast in practice and he wants to get him playing time. The Knicks have their picks from now on. The Knicks have young guys, picks and assets. Not sure that the guy that gets ten cents on the dollar in trades can do anything with that but denying what the roster has now and the team has in the future sounds like a hater.
Baker, Plumlee, Ndour are not worth discussing. Nobody cares about practice.
Kuzminskas is 27 years old. Thanks for letting me know he's a rookie. There's not much upside there regardless of many years he has been in the league.
This is like like Groundhog Day with you and a few others making the same arguments for Trevor Ariza, David Lee, Nate Robinson, Toney Douglas, Demetris Nicholas, Renaldo Balkman, Mardy Collins, Channing Frye, Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mozgov, Jerian Grant, Jordan Hill, etc.
Willy is solid but still young.
Kristaps is the franchise player of the future.
Other than that we need a ton of help. A ton. Starting with another top young player in the draft to pair with Porzingis.
Every win let's keep the team together. Every loss, blow it up.
Knixkik wrote:Every win let's keep the team together. Every loss, blow it up.
Like a dysfunctional relationship.
JamesKPolk wrote:CrushAlot wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:knicks1248 wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:knicks1248 wrote:dacash wrote:if we had lost , ppl would be thinking sooooooo differently.
Not really, we are still in the hunt even if we lost, and when im looking around the league, anybody can lose to anybody on any given night.
4 or 5 games in a row and your in the thick of things.
There is nothing to gain by making the playoffs.
Zero. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
Porzingis playoff experience? This is a fantasy to make yourself feel good about being swept by the Cavs in the first round. That's not experience, that's a waste of resources.
The Knicks need to lose for the betterment of the franchise.
we got like 3 solid rookies...your not tired of being on the bottom of the standings, every year talking about the draft..oh the draft, oh the draft. only to grab some half ass project...Im tired of that.
I just want phil to stop changing the roster every damn miniute, and let the coach do him
No we don't.
Willy is solid.
Kuz is 27 years old and a roleplayer at best.
Who else are you referring to? Baker is a nobody.
This teams needs a lot more than Willy and Porzingis to be a contender in the future.
What are you even talking about? When do we talk about the draft every year when WE NEVER HAVE OUR DRAFT PICKS?! Ridiculous statement.
What project did we draft? Porzingis? Damn, sure sucks we got that guy! Better off having 32 year old Melo take 25 shots a game and fight for an 8th seed. We're really going places!
Kuz is a rookie. He wasn't drafted so he is a copeland like signing. Willy, Baker, Plumlee and Ndour are all rookies. Hornacek has said Plumlee is a beast in practice and he wants to get him playing time. The Knicks have their picks from now on. The Knicks have young guys, picks and assets. Not sure that the guy that gets ten cents on the dollar in trades can do anything with that but denying what the roster has now and the team has in the future sounds like a hater.
Baker, Plumlee, Ndour are not worth discussing. Nobody cares about practice.
Kuzminskas is 27 years old. Thanks for letting me know he's a rookie. There's not much upside there regardless of many years he has been in the league.
This is like like Groundhog Day with you and a few others making the same arguments for Trevor Ariza, David Lee, Nate Robinson, Toney Douglas, Demetris Nicholas, Renaldo Balkman, Mardy Collins, Channing Frye, Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mozgov, Jerian Grant, Jordan Hill, etc.
Willy is solid but still young.
Kristaps is the franchise player of the future.
Other than that we need a ton of help. A ton. Starting with another top young player in the draft to pair with Porzingis.
Baker and Plumlee have had minutes in games and have made a difference. They are role players but that is better than most second round picks. These guys are on deals that are nothing on the cap. Ndour and Plumlee are committed to the Knicks for 2 or 3 years if they want them. Baker has been more than solid. You hope these guys make it into the top 9 on the team. Anything more than that is awesome. Their deals make them easy to trade. What they bring makes them desirable to have on the roster. What is wrong with having 5 rookies and a second year player on a team headed to the lottery?
nixluva wrote:I don't believe the rumors that Phil is gonna give Melo away for a bag of balls. There's no incentive for Phil to do that. He's not under any pressure to make a bad deal. No matter what we still have our picks. Unless Phil can get a good return it doesn't make sense to make a deal. The real issue is a need to get LEGIT PG play. This draft has some quality PG's. The only way I deal is if they can get a pick that could land us one of those PG's.
Phil always made a big deal about organizations needing harmony and how they don't work when various parts are at odds- the rift between him and Melo can't go on. Doc Rivers has also pretty much confirmed the rumors (which came originally from the very reliable woj).
I like Melo, even though I think it's time he went. The guy I can't stand is Rose- wish we'd ship him out ASAP. He's the one hindering KP and freezing him out (and playing zero defense)
knicks1248 wrote:This team just needs some time grow, and KP needs playoff experience. 2 games out of the playoff picture with the bulls(stuggling tonight)detroit(stuggling)bucks(strugling like us) and we just beat the hornets.We have beaten all those teams, we need to weather the storm and stay focus, phil and his damn ego is killing me..You will sink us if you trade melo, you wont get back anything that will remotely help us...
Why Id like to move Melo if we arent getting high picks or young players it makes no sense
I don't mind if they keep the roster together. I just want them to get out of the contracts of Melo, Rose, Noah, and Lee.
They can keep 11 of the 15 players together.
Bonn1997 wrote:I don't mind if they keep the roster together. I just want them to get out of the contracts of Melo, Rose, Noah, and Lee.
They can keep 11 of the 15 players together.
Agree with this. I am ok with keeping Lee, even if we could move those contacts we would have to pay somebody.
smackeddog wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't believe the rumors that Phil is gonna give Melo away for a bag of balls. There's no incentive for Phil to do that. He's not under any pressure to make a bad deal. No matter what we still have our picks. Unless Phil can get a good return it doesn't make sense to make a deal. The real issue is a need to get LEGIT PG play. This draft has some quality PG's. The only way I deal is if they can get a pick that could land us one of those PG's.
Phil always made a big deal about organizations needing harmony and how they don't work when various parts are at odds- the rift between him and Melo can't go on. Doc Rivers has also pretty much confirmed the rumors (which came originally from the very reliable woj).
I like Melo, even though I think it's time he went. The guy I can't stand is Rose- wish we'd ship him out ASAP. He's the one hindering KP and freezing him out (and playing zero defense)
I'm not saying Phil isn't looking to deal. I just don't think he's going to give up Melo for nothing.
Rose is so disappointing cuz he is in the best shape since his injury but he simply doesn't run the team or pass at all. When he does pass you see how good things can be for this team!!! Rose talked about setting up KP and Melo back in the summer but he really hasn't put in the effort on a consistent basis. I liked how he started the game last night passing and being patient but was that a mirage???
meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I don't mind if they keep the roster together. I just want them to get out of the contracts of Melo, Rose, Noah, and Lee.
They can keep 11 of the 15 players together.
Agree with this. I am ok with keeping Lee, even if we could move those contacts we would have to pay somebody.
Yes, but Lee makes what many all-stars or near all-stars are making. You do have to pay somebody but it doesn't have to be 8 figures for a marginal starter or bench player. The min payroll is like 85 mil right? (or an average of $5 to 6 mil a player) We wouldn't have to worry about making the min payroll even if we didn't have Lee.
nixluva wrote:smackeddog wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't believe the rumors that Phil is gonna give Melo away for a bag of balls. There's no incentive for Phil to do that. He's not under any pressure to make a bad deal. No matter what we still have our picks. Unless Phil can get a good return it doesn't make sense to make a deal. The real issue is a need to get LEGIT PG play. This draft has some quality PG's. The only way I deal is if they can get a pick that could land us one of those PG's.
Phil always made a big deal about organizations needing harmony and how they don't work when various parts are at odds- the rift between him and Melo can't go on. Doc Rivers has also pretty much confirmed the rumors (which came originally from the very reliable woj).
I like Melo, even though I think it's time he went. The guy I can't stand is Rose- wish we'd ship him out ASAP. He's the one hindering KP and freezing him out (and playing zero defense)
I'm not saying Phil isn't looking to deal. I just don't think he's going to give up Melo for nothing.
Rose is so disappointing cuz he is in the best shape since his injury but he simply doesn't run the team or pass at all. When he does pass you see how good things can be for this team!!! Rose talked about setting up KP and Melo back in the summer but he really hasn't put in the effort on a consistent basis. I liked how he started the game last night passing and being patient but was that a mirage???
Melo need to accept taking no more that 15 shots and (so scoring 10 points on average) for Knicks to move forward and help team grow.
Or if this is unacceptable for him to move to contender (to essentially have same 15 shots) but to help them win a chip.
Helping rebuilding and see his favorite city team grow is royal. He deserved winning too.
So it is his choice and he is only one to make it.
Knicks are trying to win now, yet with the youthful players we have it is the first time, in a long time that we are building a core (KP) and a base with Willy and others.
Melo/Noah/Rose/KP is rather good on paper. Perhaps we as fans have been too short sighted? If Phil wants to move forward without Melo, we fans can weigh it but we don' know what melo brings back in value.
My hope was this team would not be so Melo Centric this year. Maybe Knicks were as well.
Bonn1997 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I don't mind if they keep the roster together. I just want them to get out of the contracts of Melo, Rose, Noah, and Lee.
They can keep 11 of the 15 players together.
Agree with this. I am ok with keeping Lee, even if we could move those contacts we would have to pay somebody.
Yes, but Lee makes what many all-stars or near all-stars are making. You do have to pay somebody but it doesn't have to be 8 figures for a marginal starter or bench player. The min payroll is like 85 mil right? (or an average of $5 to 6 mil a player) We wouldn't have to worry about making the min payroll even if we didn't have Lee.
My point was merely that we are not going to get all Stars which is actually good, but we need solid vets. Also need to see if we can get older vets with good attitude and championship experience. Need to surround KP with winners not career losers. I know he likes Melo, but he is young and he will get over it. I am sure Melo can be a likeable person but his influence on KP doesn't seem to be doing him much good.
meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I don't mind if they keep the roster together. I just want them to get out of the contracts of Melo, Rose, Noah, and Lee.
They can keep 11 of the 15 players together.
Agree with this. I am ok with keeping Lee, even if we could move those contacts we would have to pay somebody.
Yes, but Lee makes what many all-stars or near all-stars are making. You do have to pay somebody but it doesn't have to be 8 figures for a marginal starter or bench player. The min payroll is like 85 mil right? (or an average of $5 to 6 mil a player) We wouldn't have to worry about making the min payroll even if we didn't have Lee.
My point was merely that we are not going to get all Stars which is actually good, but we need solid vets. Also need to see if we can get older vets with good attitude and championship experience. Need to surround KP with winners not career losers. I know he likes Melo, but he is young and he will get over it. I am sure Melo can be a likeable person but his influence on KP doesn't seem to be doing him much good.
I don't think you need to get vets you need good vets on the bench that can coach the young players. Ex players like Ewing, KG ex players that exemplied hard work and dedication. As for having vets who have won on championships not so much. They are just that role players that were at the right place at the right time see JR Smith and Iman Shumpert. That doesn't work better off having hungry young players looking to find their way.
Vmart wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I don't mind if they keep the roster together. I just want them to get out of the contracts of Melo, Rose, Noah, and Lee.
They can keep 11 of the 15 players together.
Agree with this. I am ok with keeping Lee, even if we could move those contacts we would have to pay somebody.
Yes, but Lee makes what many all-stars or near all-stars are making. You do have to pay somebody but it doesn't have to be 8 figures for a marginal starter or bench player. The min payroll is like 85 mil right? (or an average of $5 to 6 mil a player) We wouldn't have to worry about making the min payroll even if we didn't have Lee.
My point was merely that we are not going to get all Stars which is actually good, but we need solid vets. Also need to see if we can get older vets with good attitude and championship experience. Need to surround KP with winners not career losers. I know he likes Melo, but he is young and he will get over it. I am sure Melo can be a likeable person but his influence on KP doesn't seem to be doing him much good.
I don't think you need to get vets you need good vets on the bench that can coach the young players. Ex players like Ewing, KG ex players that exemplied hard work and dedication. As for having vets who have won on championships not so much. They are just that role players that were at the right place at the right time see JR Smith and Iman Shumpert. That doesn't work better off having hungry young players looking to find their way.
Ah I think you took the vets with championship experience thing literally. I don't mean JR and Shumpert but I'll take someone along the lines of Ginobli. Rasheed or Timmy D if they are willing to coach. Just gotta lose Rambis.
meloshouldgo wrote:Vmart wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I don't mind if they keep the roster together. I just want them to get out of the contracts of Melo, Rose, Noah, and Lee.
They can keep 11 of the 15 players together.
Agree with this. I am ok with keeping Lee, even if we could move those contacts we would have to pay somebody.
Yes, but Lee makes what many all-stars or near all-stars are making. You do have to pay somebody but it doesn't have to be 8 figures for a marginal starter or bench player. The min payroll is like 85 mil right? (or an average of $5 to 6 mil a player) We wouldn't have to worry about making the min payroll even if we didn't have Lee.
My point was merely that we are not going to get all Stars which is actually good, but we need solid vets. Also need to see if we can get older vets with good attitude and championship experience. Need to surround KP with winners not career losers. I know he likes Melo, but he is young and he will get over it. I am sure Melo can be a likeable person but his influence on KP doesn't seem to be doing him much good.
I don't think you need to get vets you need good vets on the bench that can coach the young players. Ex players like Ewing, KG ex players that exemplied hard work and dedication. As for having vets who have won on championships not so much. They are just that role players that were at the right place at the right time see JR Smith and Iman Shumpert. That doesn't work better off having hungry young players looking to find their way.
Ah I think you took the vets with championship experience thing literally. I don't mean JR and Shumpert but I'll take someone along the lines of Ginobli. Rasheed or Timmy D if they are willing to coach. Just gotta lose Rambis.
I did mention KG and Ewing as possible coaching candidates. We tried this in the past Chandler and Malik Rose. They were suppose to bring that championship pedigree to the Knicks.
Look we loss a ton of close games this season, part of it was chemistry, defense, miss calls(only to confirm the next day), opposing coaches on the side line.
Evry team is having a rough patch, we have 10 new players a new coach, and rambis. Willy and Lee are starting to play consistant , kuz has crack the rotation, these guys are going to get familiar with there roles. You have to let the procss play out before you blow it up.
knicks1248 wrote:Look we loss a ton of close games this season, part of it was chemistry, defense, miss calls(only to confirm the next day), opposing coaches on the side line.
Evry team is having a rough patch, we have 10 new players a new coach, and rambis. Willy and Lee are starting to play consistant , kuz has crack the rotation, these guys are going to get familiar with there roles. You have to let the procss play out before you blow it up.
The team actually has a better record in close than not close games. They are legitimately this bad.
