knicks1248 wrote:Look we loss a ton of close games this season, part of it was chemistry, defense, miss calls(only to confirm the next day), opposing coaches on the side line.
Evry team is having a rough patch, we have 10 new players a new coach, and rambis. Willy and Lee are starting to play consistant , kuz has crack the rotation, these guys are going to get familiar with there roles. You have to let the procss play out before you blow it up.
The team actually has a better record in close than not close games. They are legitimately this bad.
nixluva wrote:I don't believe the rumors that Phil is gonna give Melo away for a bag of balls. There's no incentive for Phil to do that. He's not under any pressure to make a bad deal. No matter what we still have our picks. Unless Phil can get a good return it doesn't make sense to make a deal. The real issue is a need to get LEGIT PG play. This draft has some quality PG's. The only way I deal is if they can get a pick that could land us one of those PG's.
This draft does have some good PG's but every mock i've seen has those good PG's going in the top 10 or so of the lottery so we'd need to find a way to trade up if we wanted one of them and it's gonna take more than one mid 1st round pick to get there.
newyorker4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't believe the rumors that Phil is gonna give Melo away for a bag of balls. There's no incentive for Phil to do that. He's not under any pressure to make a bad deal. No matter what we still have our picks. Unless Phil can get a good return it doesn't make sense to make a deal. The real issue is a need to get LEGIT PG play. This draft has some quality PG's. The only way I deal is if they can get a pick that could land us one of those PG's.
This draft does have some good PG's but every mock i've seen has those good PG's going in the top 10 or so of the lottery so we'd need to find a way to trade up if we wanted one of them and it's gonna take more than one mid 1st round pick to get there.
We're not that far out of a top pick we commit to losing- we're only 4 or 5 wins ahead of the team that has the no.4 pick
knicks1248 wrote:I just think that some of us had some lofty expectations (i know i did) and want to blow it up already. Kp needs melo in a big way, and I think rose needs time to get the shoot first mentality out of his mind.I don't know why I expected rose to turn into a passer overnight after playing one way for his entire career..I think a minor trade to for a better role player is needed, but the core of melo, kp, rose, lee, holiday, jennings,willy and kuz needs to be the foundation..lance, KOQ, noah, sasha, and baker..those are your trade chips
So you want us to re-sign Rose to a max contract after this season?? If not then what's the sense in keeping this mess together this year especially if we can get some good assets for some of our vets??
smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't believe the rumors that Phil is gonna give Melo away for a bag of balls. There's no incentive for Phil to do that. He's not under any pressure to make a bad deal. No matter what we still have our picks. Unless Phil can get a good return it doesn't make sense to make a deal. The real issue is a need to get LEGIT PG play. This draft has some quality PG's. The only way I deal is if they can get a pick that could land us one of those PG's.
This draft does have some good PG's but every mock i've seen has those good PG's going in the top 10 or so of the lottery so we'd need to find a way to trade up if we wanted one of them and it's gonna take more than one mid 1st round pick to get there.
We're not that far out of a top pick we commit to losing- we're only 4 or 5 wins ahead of the team that has the no.4 pick
Thats how young players develop? your tripping dude..smh
knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:I don't believe the rumors that Phil is gonna give Melo away for a bag of balls. There's no incentive for Phil to do that. He's not under any pressure to make a bad deal. No matter what we still have our picks. Unless Phil can get a good return it doesn't make sense to make a deal. The real issue is a need to get LEGIT PG play. This draft has some quality PG's. The only way I deal is if they can get a pick that could land us one of those PG's.
This draft does have some good PG's but every mock i've seen has those good PG's going in the top 10 or so of the lottery so we'd need to find a way to trade up if we wanted one of them and it's gonna take more than one mid 1st round pick to get there.
We're not that far out of a top pick we commit to losing- we're only 4 or 5 wins ahead of the team that has the no.4 pick
Thats how young players develop? your tripping dude..smh
How do you add franchise-changing talent to the roster under this CBA? You're the one who's tripping if you think you can do that any way other than the draft, but I'm interested to hear your alternative. Honestly? Teams have a huge financial advantage when re-signing their own FAs, teams have started matching max contracts for even the most mediocre restricted free agents- you just can't do it via free agency anymore other than in the most exceptional circumstances.
nixluva wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:knicks1248 wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:knicks1248 wrote:dacash wrote:if we had lost , ppl would be thinking sooooooo differently.
Not really, we are still in the hunt even if we lost, and when im looking around the league, anybody can lose to anybody on any given night.
4 or 5 games in a row and your in the thick of things.
There is nothing to gain by making the playoffs.
Zero. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
Porzingis playoff experience? This is a fantasy to make yourself feel good about being swept by the Cavs in the first round. That's not experience, that's a waste of resources.
The Knicks need to lose for the betterment of the franchise.
we got like 3 solid rookies...your not tired of being on the bottom of the standings, every year talking about the draft..oh the draft, oh the draft. only to grab some half ass project...Im tired of that.
I just want phil to stop changing the roster every damn miniute, and let the coach do him
No we don't.
Willy is solid.
Kuz is 27 years old and a roleplayer at best.
Who else are you referring to? Baker is a nobody.
This teams needs a lot more than Willy and Porzingis to be a contender in the future.
What are you even talking about? When do we talk about the draft every year when WE NEVER HAVE OUR DRAFT PICKS?! Ridiculous statement.
What project did we draft? Porzingis? Damn, sure sucks we got that guy! Better off having 32 year old Melo take 25 shots a game and fight for an 8th seed. We're really going places!
Unless Phil blows up this roster they won't be bad enough to get a top 5 pick! I'm not sure what you think the Knicks chances of falling far enough actually are but they still have a lot of teams ahead of them in a lottery situation. As bad as the losing has been they aren't in the running for that top pick.
We don't need that top pick, just a top 10 pick.
I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
meloshouldgo wrote:I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
He makes $21 mil. They would have to trade Love for him.
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
He makes $21 mil. They would have to trade Love for him.
They could do DRose for Shumpert and Frye, I believe. Once a Knick Always a Knick! I'm sure Frye and Shump would loooooove to come back here.
crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
He makes $21 mil. They would have to trade Love for him.
They could do DRose for Shumpert and Frye, I believe. Once a Knick Always a Knick! I'm sure Frye and Shump would loooooove to come back here.
If we could get Jordan McRae and Jay Felder then it's on
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
He makes $21 mil. They would have to trade Love for him.
Dont help him. Like when he posts his awesome ideas. Lmao.
Look it was nice we got the win last night BUT this roster isnt going anywhere. At the very best we make the 8th seed and get killed. Id rather get another high pick to pair with KP and melo. See if we can get something for rose and KOQ. I think willy is a important piece and will be even better next year
meloshouldgo wrote:I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
Yeah phils phone is blowing up for noah and rose...
knicks1248 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
Yeah phils phone is blowing up for noah and rose...
NBA is full with idiots so don't worry someone will bite...
arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
Yeah phils phone is blowing up for noah and rose...
NBA is full with idiots so don't worry someone will bite...
I think the guy that was going to bite did that last summer.
CrushAlot wrote:arkrud wrote:knicks1248 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
Yeah phils phone is blowing up for noah and rose...
NBA is full with idiots so don't worry someone will bite...
I think the guy that was going to bite did that last summer.
The only guy that might go there, Vlade, is supposed to be almost as unreachable as Phil.
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
He makes $21 mil. They would have to trade Love for him.
It doesn't have to be a one for one. Depending on how despraate Cleveland is for scoring they can do stupid things. Lebron is making them desperate. He is at 21 million for one year then he is at 0. Again, I don't really follow all these arcane trade rules but I think Rose is closer to what they are looking for than Melo at this point.
meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
He makes $21 mil. They would have to trade Love for him.
It doesn't have to be a one for one. Depending on how despraate Cleveland is for scoring they can do stupid things. Lebron is making them desperate. He is at 21 million for one year then he is at 0. Again, I don't really follow all these arcane trade rules but I think Rose is closer to what they are looking for than Melo at this point.
Unfortunately the rules are in place make dealing Rose to a team like the Cavs very difficult. The Cavs might be smart to wait and see if the Knicks waive or buy out Derrick after the deadline. If Melo goes I don't think they keep Rose but they could.
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think Rose had decent trade value right now. He looks foot and he is scoring. We should look to move him for picks if we can. Or look to package him with Noah. Bet Cleveland would take Rose as their secondary creator.
He makes $21 mil. They would have to trade Love for him.
It doesn't have to be a one for one. Depending on how despraate Cleveland is for scoring they can do stupid things. Lebron is making them desperate. He is at 21 million for one year then he is at 0. Again, I don't really follow all these arcane trade rules but I think Rose is closer to what they are looking for than Melo at this point.
Unfortunately the rules are in place make dealing Rose to a team like the Cavs very difficult. The Cavs might be smart to wait and see if the Knicks waive or buy out Derrick after the deadline. If Melo goes I don't think they keep Rose but they could.
Are they more difficult tHan trading Melo to the Cavs? Asking because I don't really know. But if that was something the teams can consider then they should consider a trade for Rose as well.
