Knicks · OT: LeBron goes in on Charles Barkley and a little swipe at Phil... (page 2)

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:"I went to see Melo at the Garden two years ago when we were in New York," James said. "They played Portland. I went up to a suite at halftime, and Phil Jackson didn't say one word to me."

I am a LeBron fan.

Take this quote out by itself and its like "Really"? Sounds like an entitled 16 year old valley girl who is offended by being ignored.
Did Lebron even go over to him? DId Lebron say a word to him, or did he expect to fawned upon. Wouldn't it be kind of "Tampering" for phil to have appeared to approach him?
Ok, The posse thing is understandable but its also a bit over the top Lebrons response as well. Younger LeBron had a big old chip on his shoulder and his group was very aggressive and did not make friends of management.
Lebron wants respect on and off the court, I get it, big ego, big accomplished player, etc.

So Barkley can't be critical of Lebron now? Barkley or any anaylist has to have a cred superior to be critical of him? Charles didn't say Lebron was NOT a great great player, just that he is whiney. I kind of agree.
On the court, Lebron is amazing, and in my book could be the greatest single player ever. Off the court, he is a trip.

Good points!

Lebron is a whiney bitch. Barkley was right. ANd to be fair, Barkley says lots of things about lots of people, including calling MJ a bad GM. I'm glad he's not like JVG and most of the other analysts out there who feel they can only say nice things about everyone, and in the process end up saying nothing meaningful.

Lebron is reaping what he sows. Talks about himself and "his legacy" in the third person, and forever will have to live with his phoney The Decision moment. If I were Phil in that suite, I'd say Lebron has to come to me, not vice versa.

On top of that, I'm convinced Lebron uses HGH. And it was a complete phony-baloney cop out to take his talents to South Beach. As good as he is/was, he should have told Wade and Bosch to come to Clevland which needed a championship.

Having said all that, he is an amazing talent, and he deserves credit for that, but as great as he is, he's not half as great as he thinks he is. Perhaps the biggest prima donna we've seen in the sport, and in the last couple of months he's proven it with his thin-skinned nature.

Does it matter? That Heat team won titles because of him and promptly became a lottery team following his departure despite having acquired an all-star caliber PG to replace him (Goran Dragic) and addimg a consummate small-forward in Loul Deng. Make no mistake, LeBron didn't "need" those guys, as he proved by winning a one-off title in Cleveland just two years later against a historically great team.

Sure it matters. It's part of his legacy too. He baled on Cleveland. And w no disrespect to his skills kyrie and Tristan played fantastic ball and the NBA gets an assist for dinging draymond

IMO he's better than MJ. But he's also a prima Donna without parallel and deserving of the criticism he got

Cleveland bailed on LeBron before he ever seriously contemplated leaving. That supporting cast around him was a joke, which was made clear after he left. Despite their rotation remaining almost entirely intact, the team only won about 13 games....and that was what LeBron had been taking to Conference Semi Finals and Finals.

Fastforward to the Kyrie era and I have to ask: what did Kyring and Tristan win before LeBron came back?

Let me plain: Lebron is an amazing player. I personally think he is better than MJ was. The point I'm making is about his leaving for Miami. He should have told Bosh and Wade to come to Cleveland. He was the big alpha and Cleveland was his home team. Bosh was ready to depart Toronto; Wade already won in Miami and was a Chicagoan.

Point is not his skills but his so-called spotty legacy to the extent it extends past his considerable talent.

He is very thin-skinned primma donna. Barkley is right. Team paid up for the players that Lebron demanded should be paid up. They are over the cap. Lebron wants more talent and is now complaining (fundamentally) about the consequences of his own demands.

Nalod wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:Bravo LeBron!!!! F*** fat boy Barkley and his big garbled sometimes barely intelligeble mouth. His comments about the the current game are often petty at best and TMZ level shock value at worst. He's basically there to be a "Yassa...No suh" new age coon for the NBA on TNT and rarely realizes that the audience is laughing at him not with him. I'm most definitely NOT a LeBron fan boy but in this matter I stand with him 1000% and wish he wouldve posted a pic of his 3 rings and subtweeted Barkley with the comment "Got Rings??? No, well then shut your mouth!!!"
Lastly, let us NOT forget that Barkley whined his way out of Philly and got traded to Phoenix & then the Houston Rockets in his own attempt to create a SuperTeam and get a hollow ring at the end of his career. Muthaeffing hypocrite

So if you don't have a ring, even a HOF player cannot do his job as a studio analyst?
Can a player, with more rings than another have that count to justify an opinion?
Shaq can play the fool because he has rings?

Phil has 11 rings, basically everything he say's is fact?

Phil has 13 rings doesn't he; two as a player

and i'm quite sure Lebron was up in the suite expecting Phil to walk over to him. gimme a break. show some humility

Nalod wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:Bravo LeBron!!!! F*** fat boy Barkley and his big garbled sometimes barely intelligeble mouth. His comments about the the current game are often petty at best and TMZ level shock value at worst. He's basically there to be a "Yassa...No suh" new age coon for the NBA on TNT and rarely realizes that the audience is laughing at him not with him. I'm most definitely NOT a LeBron fan boy but in this matter I stand with him 1000% and wish he wouldve posted a pic of his 3 rings and subtweeted Barkley with the comment "Got Rings??? No, well then shut your mouth!!!"
Lastly, let us NOT forget that Barkley whined his way out of Philly and got traded to Phoenix & then the Houston Rockets in his own attempt to create a SuperTeam and get a hollow ring at the end of his career. Muthaeffing hypocrite

So if you don't have a ring, even a HOF player cannot do his job as a studio analyst?
Can a player, with more rings than another have that count to justify an opinion?
Shaq can play the fool because he has rings?

Phil has 11 rings, basically everything he say's is fact?

Rings aren't the only thing in life but in win at all costs world where everything that these so called sports analysts bloviate about is based on rings and the pursuit of chips then yes Barkley should sit the eff down and shut the eff up when someone who is his superior in every measurable stat in the game enters the room. You people in here are talking about Le Bron should show some humility what about Sir Chuckles??? Where's his humility, where's his respect, where's his deference to someone greater than he??? nah he's just smiling shuffling and grinning his way to a check. How about he push away from the table, go get on a treadmill or actually do some goddamn reporting and think for a second before opening his claptrap about things that he really has no information on just dumb ass opinions. But then again he's always been a big mouth and thats why our beloved Oak Man shut it for him with a 1-2 combo after 1999 strike ended.

ActionJackson wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:Bravo LeBron!!!! F*** fat boy Barkley and his big garbled sometimes barely intelligeble mouth. His comments about the the current game are often petty at best and TMZ level shock value at worst. He's basically there to be a "Yassa...No suh" new age coon for the NBA on TNT and rarely realizes that the audience is laughing at him not with him. I'm most definitely NOT a LeBron fan boy but in this matter I stand with him 1000% and wish he wouldve posted a pic of his 3 rings and subtweeted Barkley with the comment "Got Rings??? No, well then shut your mouth!!!"
Lastly, let us NOT forget that Barkley whined his way out of Philly and got traded to Phoenix & then the Houston Rockets in his own attempt to create a SuperTeam and get a hollow ring at the end of his career. Muthaeffing hypocrite

So if you don't have a ring, even a HOF player cannot do his job as a studio analyst?
Can a player, with more rings than another have that count to justify an opinion?
Shaq can play the fool because he has rings?

Phil has 11 rings, basically everything he say's is fact?

Rings aren't the only thing in life but in win at all costs world where everything that these so called sports analysts bloviate about is based on rings and the pursuit of chips then yes Barkley should sit the eff down and shut the eff up when someone who is his superior in every measurable stat in the game enters the room. You people in here are talking about Le Bron should show some humility what about Sir Chuckles??? Where's his humility, where's his respect, where's his deference to someone greater than he??? nah he's just smiling shuffling and grinning his way to a check. How about he push away from the table, go get on a treadmill or actually do some goddamn reporting and think for a second before opening his claptrap about things that he really has no information on just dumb ass opinions. But then again he's always been a big mouth and thats why our beloved Oak Man shut it for him with a 1-2 combo after 1999 strike ended.

Ok, you an OAKMAN disciple!!!!!!
Now I understand. Over time, Oak has grown to iconic stature!

What about SAS and many many others, who never even played the game but at the same time is unmerciful. SAS never played pro ball. The list of those who "analyze" is very long.
Charles has has opinions on politics and was once seen as a possible candidate by some. He has settled in a role as a TV personality. Outspoken and mostly humor.
Lebron gets called out by many media writers all the time. He chose Charles because he sees him as a peer, which is fine. IN fact, Charles said he was fine with Lebron's statements.
By doing so he made Lebron look sensitive.
Lebrons game speaks louder than anything. Im a big fan of Lebron, and usually support him, but in this instance, he is a big whiny!!!

Nalod wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:Bravo LeBron!!!! F*** fat boy Barkley and his big garbled sometimes barely intelligeble mouth. His comments about the the current game are often petty at best and TMZ level shock value at worst. He's basically there to be a "Yassa...No suh" new age coon for the NBA on TNT and rarely realizes that the audience is laughing at him not with him. I'm most definitely NOT a LeBron fan boy but in this matter I stand with him 1000% and wish he wouldve posted a pic of his 3 rings and subtweeted Barkley with the comment "Got Rings??? No, well then shut your mouth!!!"
Lastly, let us NOT forget that Barkley whined his way out of Philly and got traded to Phoenix & then the Houston Rockets in his own attempt to create a SuperTeam and get a hollow ring at the end of his career. Muthaeffing hypocrite

So if you don't have a ring, even a HOF player cannot do his job as a studio analyst?
Can a player, with more rings than another have that count to justify an opinion?
Shaq can play the fool because he has rings?

Phil has 11 rings, basically everything he say's is fact?

Rings aren't the only thing in life but in win at all costs world where everything that these so called sports analysts bloviate about is based on rings and the pursuit of chips then yes Barkley should sit the eff down and shut the eff up when someone who is his superior in every measurable stat in the game enters the room. You people in here are talking about Le Bron should show some humility what about Sir Chuckles??? Where's his humility, where's his respect, where's his deference to someone greater than he??? nah he's just smiling shuffling and grinning his way to a check. How about he push away from the table, go get on a treadmill or actually do some goddamn reporting and think for a second before opening his claptrap about things that he really has no information on just dumb ass opinions. But then again he's always been a big mouth and thats why our beloved Oak Man shut it for him with a 1-2 combo after 1999 strike ended.

Ok, you an OAKMAN disciple!!!!!!
Now I understand. Over time, Oak has grown to iconic stature!

What about SAS and many many others, who never even played the game but at the same time is unmerciful. SAS never played pro ball. The list of those who "analyze" is very long.
Charles has has opinions on politics and was once seen as a possible candidate by some. He has settled in a role as a TV personality. Outspoken and mostly humor.
Lebron gets called out by many media writers all the time. He chose Charles because he sees him as a peer, which is fine. IN fact, Charles said he was fine with Lebron's statements.
By doing so he made Lebron look sensitive.
Lebrons game speaks louder than anything. Im a big fan of Lebron, and usually support him, but in this instance, he is a big whiny!!!

Questioning whether or not LeBron wanted to compete was a bridge too far for Barkley..Gloves are off after that...That's not whinny, that defending yourself...

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:Bravo LeBron!!!! F*** fat boy Barkley and his big garbled sometimes barely intelligeble mouth. His comments about the the current game are often petty at best and TMZ level shock value at worst. He's basically there to be a "Yassa...No suh" new age coon for the NBA on TNT and rarely realizes that the audience is laughing at him not with him. I'm most definitely NOT a LeBron fan boy but in this matter I stand with him 1000% and wish he wouldve posted a pic of his 3 rings and subtweeted Barkley with the comment "Got Rings??? No, well then shut your mouth!!!"
Lastly, let us NOT forget that Barkley whined his way out of Philly and got traded to Phoenix & then the Houston Rockets in his own attempt to create a SuperTeam and get a hollow ring at the end of his career. Muthaeffing hypocrite

So if you don't have a ring, even a HOF player cannot do his job as a studio analyst?
Can a player, with more rings than another have that count to justify an opinion?
Shaq can play the fool because he has rings?

Phil has 11 rings, basically everything he say's is fact?

Rings aren't the only thing in life but in win at all costs world where everything that these so called sports analysts bloviate about is based on rings and the pursuit of chips then yes Barkley should sit the eff down and shut the eff up when someone who is his superior in every measurable stat in the game enters the room. You people in here are talking about Le Bron should show some humility what about Sir Chuckles??? Where's his humility, where's his respect, where's his deference to someone greater than he??? nah he's just smiling shuffling and grinning his way to a check. How about he push away from the table, go get on a treadmill or actually do some goddamn reporting and think for a second before opening his claptrap about things that he really has no information on just dumb ass opinions. But then again he's always been a big mouth and thats why our beloved Oak Man shut it for him with a 1-2 combo after 1999 strike ended.

Ok, you an OAKMAN disciple!!!!!!
Now I understand. Over time, Oak has grown to iconic stature!

What about SAS and many many others, who never even played the game but at the same time is unmerciful. SAS never played pro ball. The list of those who "analyze" is very long.
Charles has has opinions on politics and was once seen as a possible candidate by some. He has settled in a role as a TV personality. Outspoken and mostly humor.
Lebron gets called out by many media writers all the time. He chose Charles because he sees him as a peer, which is fine. IN fact, Charles said he was fine with Lebron's statements.
By doing so he made Lebron look sensitive.
Lebrons game speaks louder than anything. Im a big fan of Lebron, and usually support him, but in this instance, he is a big whiny!!!

Questioning whether or not LeBron wanted to compete was a bridge too far for Barkley..Gloves are off after that...That's not whinny, that defending yourself...

Barkley also says Durant joining the Warriors ruined the finals as they are so over the top. Im not sure how "tough" charles was on durant.
I took "compete" as Lebron wanting to stack his deck as much as possible. Look, Barkely had to live for a very long time knowing he was not going to win a chip but find a way to muster up and go try.
Maybe that's where Charles is coming from. Few owners have empowered any player like Gilbert has. Even Reinsdorf said "enough" and let Jordan and Phil walk away.

Nalod wrote:Barkley only discussed basketball related issues. It involved Lebron and the Cav's.
Lebron went off topic and discussed Barkley's off basketball related issues.
To me Lebron was out of line.
Barkley response was actually very cool, he said Lebrons points were fair, and he did not escalate. In fact, Charles made Lebrone look thin skinned. From Charles:

"I have no problem with what LeBron said," Barkley said on ESPN Chicago's Waddle & Silvy radio show on Tuesday. "Some of it was true. I did pay my debt, that's not true. I was never late to the All-Star Game, so that's not true. But I don't overreact, I'm not gonna say anything bad about him or get personal, I stick by what I said. He was all whiny and everything last week. If I'm going to be straightforward, like I always try to be, I know guys are going to come back at me sometimes. I'm good. He got personal but I'm never going to get personal on an NBA player. All of my criticisms or critiques are always just about basketball and I'm going to keep doing what I do."

No, Barkley discussed LeBron's character (more like maligned it) and how it implicated the basketball side of the equation. And this is not an isolated issue; Barkley has been shitting on LeBron for a decade when he has had neither the experience or moral high ground to do so.

ActionJackson wrote:Bravo LeBron!!!! F*** fat boy Barkley and his big garbled sometimes barely intelligeble mouth. His comments about the the current game are often petty at best and TMZ level shock value at worst. He's basically there to be a "Yassa...No suh" new age coon for the NBA on TNT and rarely realizes that the audience is laughing at him not with him. I'm most definitely NOT a LeBron fan boy but in this matter I stand with him 1000% and wish he wouldve posted a pic of his 3 rings and subtweeted Barkley with the comment "Got Rings??? No, well then shut your mouth!!!"
Lastly, let us NOT forget that Barkley whined his way out of Philly and got traded to Phoenix & then the Houston Rockets in his own attempt to create a SuperTeam and get a hollow ring at the end of his career. Muthaeffing hypocrite

Are we related? Cause that was fucking beautiful

Vmart wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:What is LeBron's legacy. Have the most talent and win.

The most talent? You mean the lottery teams he was on and made contender?

I don't doubt his talent never did. Only thing I doubt is when the situation isn't right or enough talent isn't there he bails out. He bailed out in Cleveland the first time. When the Heat started its slip he bailed out to go back to Cleveland which just so happened to get better talent through draft. That's his legacy. If he goes the Patrick Ewing Route or the Karl Malone route and sticks to Cleveland the way he was suppose to it would have made his legacy that much better. But that is my opinion.

That's why I respect players like Ewing and Malone. Ewing in his prime could just as easily left NY for Golden State and teamed up with Hardaway, Mullin and Richmond. But he didn't. The level of Loyalty to the team that drafted him.

So you feel he should instead allow others dictate his future? That doesn't sound like the attitude of a "winner" to me.

And this game ain't about loyalty. When teams get tired of your ass, they'll trade you for the best deal possible (see Ewing). The fans are just as bad and will tear players to pieces the moment they think they don't need you (also see Ewing). As a player, you need to get yours and I admire that LeBron is one of the first guys to not take peoples shit and take his destiny into his own hands.

Chandler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:"I went to see Melo at the Garden two years ago when we were in New York," James said. "They played Portland. I went up to a suite at halftime, and Phil Jackson didn't say one word to me."

I am a LeBron fan.

Take this quote out by itself and its like "Really"? Sounds like an entitled 16 year old valley girl who is offended by being ignored.
Did Lebron even go over to him? DId Lebron say a word to him, or did he expect to fawned upon. Wouldn't it be kind of "Tampering" for phil to have appeared to approach him?
Ok, The posse thing is understandable but its also a bit over the top Lebrons response as well. Younger LeBron had a big old chip on his shoulder and his group was very aggressive and did not make friends of management.
Lebron wants respect on and off the court, I get it, big ego, big accomplished player, etc.

So Barkley can't be critical of Lebron now? Barkley or any anaylist has to have a cred superior to be critical of him? Charles didn't say Lebron was NOT a great great player, just that he is whiney. I kind of agree.
On the court, Lebron is amazing, and in my book could be the greatest single player ever. Off the court, he is a trip.

Good points!

Lebron is a whiney bitch. Barkley was right. ANd to be fair, Barkley says lots of things about lots of people, including calling MJ a bad GM. I'm glad he's not like JVG and most of the other analysts out there who feel they can only say nice things about everyone, and in the process end up saying nothing meaningful.

Lebron is reaping what he sows. Talks about himself and "his legacy" in the third person, and forever will have to live with his phoney The Decision moment. If I were Phil in that suite, I'd say Lebron has to come to me, not vice versa.

On top of that, I'm convinced Lebron uses HGH. And it was a complete phony-baloney cop out to take his talents to South Beach. As good as he is/was, he should have told Wade and Bosch to come to Clevland which needed a championship.

Having said all that, he is an amazing talent, and he deserves credit for that, but as great as he is, he's not half as great as he thinks he is. Perhaps the biggest prima donna we've seen in the sport, and in the last couple of months he's proven it with his thin-skinned nature.

Does it matter? That Heat team won titles because of him and promptly became a lottery team following his departure despite having acquired an all-star caliber PG to replace him (Goran Dragic) and addimg a consummate small-forward in Loul Deng. Make no mistake, LeBron didn't "need" those guys, as he proved by winning a one-off title in Cleveland just two years later against a historically great team.

Sure it matters. It's part of his legacy too. He baled on Cleveland. And w no disrespect to his skills kyrie and Tristan played fantastic ball and the NBA gets an assist for dinging draymond

IMO he's better than MJ. But he's also a prima Donna without parallel and deserving of the criticism he got

Cleveland bailed on LeBron before he ever seriously contemplated leaving. That supporting cast around him was a joke, which was made clear after he left. Despite their rotation remaining almost entirely intact, the team only won about 13 games....and that was what LeBron had been taking to Conference Semi Finals and Finals.

Fastforward to the Kyrie era and I have to ask: what did Kyring and Tristan win before LeBron came back?

Let me plain: Lebron is an amazing player. I personally think he is better than MJ was. The point I'm making is about his leaving for Miami. He should have told Bosh and Wade to come to Cleveland. He was the big alpha and Cleveland was his home team. Bosh was ready to depart Toronto; Wade already won in Miami and was a Chicagoan.

Point is not his skills but his so-called spotty legacy to the extent it extends past his considerable talent.

He is very thin-skinned primma donna. Barkley is right. Team paid up for the players that Lebron demanded should be paid up. They are over the cap. Lebron wants more talent and is now complaining (fundamentally) about the consequences of his own demands.

Chris Bosh made it known he had no interest in Cleveland or any cold-weather climates during the 2010 free agency. That's why he signed with the Heat so quickly- before LeBron ever made his "Decision". Sure, LeBron could've stayed with the Cavs....and allow them to line their pockets while trotting out half-assed lineups until he finally started to breakdown from the stress of having to do everything for his team every night. But why do that when you could extend your career, maximize your earning potential and win championships along the way through the process?

And Barkley is the last one to make any implicit remarks about a player being a prima-donna. That guy was amongst the lead leader in techs during his day and similarly demanded trades from teams who felt weren't up to standard. But he's a funny Uncle Tom, so I guess he gets a pass.

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:Bravo LeBron!!!! F*** fat boy Barkley and his big garbled sometimes barely intelligeble mouth. His comments about the the current game are often petty at best and TMZ level shock value at worst. He's basically there to be a "Yassa...No suh" new age coon for the NBA on TNT and rarely realizes that the audience is laughing at him not with him. I'm most definitely NOT a LeBron fan boy but in this matter I stand with him 1000% and wish he wouldve posted a pic of his 3 rings and subtweeted Barkley with the comment "Got Rings??? No, well then shut your mouth!!!"
Lastly, let us NOT forget that Barkley whined his way out of Philly and got traded to Phoenix & then the Houston Rockets in his own attempt to create a SuperTeam and get a hollow ring at the end of his career. Muthaeffing hypocrite

So if you don't have a ring, even a HOF player cannot do his job as a studio analyst?
Can a player, with more rings than another have that count to justify an opinion?
Shaq can play the fool because he has rings?

Phil has 11 rings, basically everything he say's is fact?

Phil has 13 rings doesn't he; two as a player

and i'm quite sure Lebron was up in the suite expecting Phil to walk over to him. gimme a break. show some humility

Having listened to the context of his comments, it sounded like he brought it up to demonstrate how off base Phil Jackson was with his "posse" talk. How would Jackson be able to come to all these conclusions about LeBron and his inner circle when he opted to not ever talk to LeBron?

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:What is LeBron's legacy. Have the most talent and win.

The most talent? You mean the lottery teams he was on and made contender?

I don't doubt his talent never did. Only thing I doubt is when the situation isn't right or enough talent isn't there he bails out. He bailed out in Cleveland the first time. When the Heat started its slip he bailed out to go back to Cleveland which just so happened to get better talent through draft. That's his legacy. If he goes the Patrick Ewing Route or the Karl Malone route and sticks to Cleveland the way he was suppose to it would have made his legacy that much better. But that is my opinion.

That's why I respect players like Ewing and Malone. Ewing in his prime could just as easily left NY for Golden State and teamed up with Hardaway, Mullin and Richmond. But he didn't. The level of Loyalty to the team that drafted him.

So you feel he should instead allow others dictate his future? That doesn't sound like the attitude of a "winner" to me.

And this game ain't about loyalty. When teams get tired of your ass, they'll trade you for the best deal possible (see Ewing). The fans are just as bad and will tear players to pieces the moment they think they don't need you (also see Ewing). As a player, you need to get yours and I admire that LeBron is one of the first guys to not take peoples shit and take his destiny into his own hands.

Front runner to me is not a winner. Every time he says I want this I want that is more a player who is spoiled.

Vmart wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:What is LeBron's legacy. Have the most talent and win.

The most talent? You mean the lottery teams he was on and made contender?

I don't doubt his talent never did. Only thing I doubt is when the situation isn't right or enough talent isn't there he bails out. He bailed out in Cleveland the first time. When the Heat started its slip he bailed out to go back to Cleveland which just so happened to get better talent through draft. That's his legacy. If he goes the Patrick Ewing Route or the Karl Malone route and sticks to Cleveland the way he was suppose to it would have made his legacy that much better. But that is my opinion.

That's why I respect players like Ewing and Malone. Ewing in his prime could just as easily left NY for Golden State and teamed up with Hardaway, Mullin and Richmond. But he didn't. The level of Loyalty to the team that drafted him.

So you feel he should instead allow others dictate his future? That doesn't sound like the attitude of a "winner" to me.

And this game ain't about loyalty. When teams get tired of your ass, they'll trade you for the best deal possible (see Ewing). The fans are just as bad and will tear players to pieces the moment they think they don't need you (also see Ewing). As a player, you need to get yours and I admire that LeBron is one of the first guys to not take peoples shit and take his destiny into his own hands.

Front runner to me is not a winner. Every time he says I want this I want that is more a player who is spoiled.

Front-runner? For acknowledging he needed/needs talent to win as did Michael Jordan with Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman/Horace Grant; Shaq with Kobe/Wade; Bird with Kevin McHale, Robert Parish and Dennis Johnson, Magic with Kareem freaking Abdul-Jabber, James Worthy and co.? His team didn't have the foresight to draft or trade for players of thst ilk for him to play with....so he got them himself. And let's not kid ourselves, those supporting casts of Greats yesteryear were far superior to any combination of Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kevin Love and/or Kyrie Irving.

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:What is LeBron's legacy. Have the most talent and win.

The most talent? You mean the lottery teams he was on and made contender?

I don't doubt his talent never did. Only thing I doubt is when the situation isn't right or enough talent isn't there he bails out. He bailed out in Cleveland the first time. When the Heat started its slip he bailed out to go back to Cleveland which just so happened to get better talent through draft. That's his legacy. If he goes the Patrick Ewing Route or the Karl Malone route and sticks to Cleveland the way he was suppose to it would have made his legacy that much better. But that is my opinion.

That's why I respect players like Ewing and Malone. Ewing in his prime could just as easily left NY for Golden State and teamed up with Hardaway, Mullin and Richmond. But he didn't. The level of Loyalty to the team that drafted him.

So you feel he should instead allow others dictate his future? That doesn't sound like the attitude of a "winner" to me.

And this game ain't about loyalty. When teams get tired of your ass, they'll trade you for the best deal possible (see Ewing). The fans are just as bad and will tear players to pieces the moment they think they don't need you (also see Ewing). As a player, you need to get yours and I admire that LeBron is one of the first guys to not take peoples shit and take his destiny into his own hands.

Front runner to me is not a winner. Every time he says I want this I want that is more a player who is spoiled.

Front-runner? For acknowledging he needed/needs talent to win as did Michael Jordan with Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman/Horace Grant; Shaq with Kobe/Wade; Bird with Kevin McHale, Robert Parish and Dennis Johnson, Magic with Kareem freaking Abdul-Jabber, James Worthy and co.? His team didn't have the foresight to draft or trade for players of thst ilk for him to play with....so he got them himself. And let's not kid ourselves, those supporting casts of Greats yesteryear were far superior to any combination of Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kevin Love and/or Kyrie Irving.

They had the talent because there was less dilution of talent. Less teams in the past. Your talking about teams built through the draft. as opposed to a team of mercenaries. I think what LeBron is doing is stupid.

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Vmart wrote:What is LeBron's legacy. Have the most talent and win.

The most talent? You mean the lottery teams he was on and made contender?

I don't doubt his talent never did. Only thing I doubt is when the situation isn't right or enough talent isn't there he bails out. He bailed out in Cleveland the first time. When the Heat started its slip he bailed out to go back to Cleveland which just so happened to get better talent through draft. That's his legacy. If he goes the Patrick Ewing Route or the Karl Malone route and sticks to Cleveland the way he was suppose to it would have made his legacy that much better. But that is my opinion.

That's why I respect players like Ewing and Malone. Ewing in his prime could just as easily left NY for Golden State and teamed up with Hardaway, Mullin and Richmond. But he didn't. The level of Loyalty to the team that drafted him.

So you feel he should instead allow others dictate his future? That doesn't sound like the attitude of a "winner" to me.

And this game ain't about loyalty. When teams get tired of your ass, they'll trade you for the best deal possible (see Ewing). The fans are just as bad and will tear players to pieces the moment they think they don't need you (also see Ewing). As a player, you need to get yours and I admire that LeBron is one of the first guys to not take peoples shit and take his destiny into his own hands.

Front runner to me is not a winner. Every time he says I want this I want that is more a player who is spoiled.

Front-runner? For acknowledging he needed/needs talent to win as did Michael Jordan with Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman/Horace Grant; Shaq with Kobe/Wade; Bird with Kevin McHale, Robert Parish and Dennis Johnson, Magic with Kareem freaking Abdul-Jabber, James Worthy and co.? His team didn't have the foresight to draft or trade for players of thst ilk for him to play with....so he got them himself. And let's not kid ourselves, those supporting casts of Greats yesteryear were far superior to any combination of Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kevin Love and/or Kyrie Irving.

They had the talent because there was less dilution of talent. Less teams in the past. Your talking about teams built through the draft. as opposed to a team of mercenaries. I think what LeBron is doing is stupid.

Even with the dilution, championship caliber teams of the LeBron era were still stacked with future Hall of Famers. Or are we forgetting that KG-Paul Pierce-Ray Allen-Rajon Rondo Celtics? The Kobe Bryant-Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum-Lamar Odom Lakers? The Tim Duncan-Manu Ginobili-Tony Parker (and later Kawhi Leonard) Spurs? The Warriorw crew?

And who cares how his teams were assembled? Draft, trades, free agent acquisitions are all legitimate ways to build teams.

I do admire Leborn controlling his own destiny. "Getting players" is a function of the owner willing to pay.
He left Clev first time because they were cooked. It was bad for the fans. Real bad.
He came back. It all worked out.

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ActionJackson wrote:Bravo LeBron!!!! F*** fat boy Barkley and his big garbled sometimes barely intelligeble mouth. His comments about the the current game are often petty at best and TMZ level shock value at worst. He's basically there to be a "Yassa...No suh" new age coon for the NBA on TNT and rarely realizes that the audience is laughing at him not with him. I'm most definitely NOT a LeBron fan boy but in this matter I stand with him 1000% and wish he wouldve posted a pic of his 3 rings and subtweeted Barkley with the comment "Got Rings??? No, well then shut your mouth!!!"
Lastly, let us NOT forget that Barkley whined his way out of Philly and got traded to Phoenix & then the Houston Rockets in his own attempt to create a SuperTeam and get a hollow ring at the end of his career. Muthaeffing hypocrite

Are we related? Cause that was fucking beautiful

My Brother from another mother

All I know is pressure must be mounting in Cleveland. If they don't win this year, and if they don't add a major piece (not dusting off trash bin), they will have the "Wrath of Bron" (TM) on their hands

He went to Cleveland to win, and I'm sure felt he had full assurances from mgmt. on that point. He also knows he needs more weapons on that team --> which is good for us

Dan Gilbert also cannot have Lebron leave and a roster that will take years to correct in the aftermath.
At some point you have to consider after a few chips, what is the price? He might be losing money and his franchise does not rise in value unless earnings are sustainable.
When Lebron retires, revenue will drop. Ad rates and sponserships will not sustain until they can replenish a team. This is not NY were winning does not matter for cash flow.
Gilbert has to balance. Lebron has his perspective, but its not Lebron going out and getting players, not until he starts paying for them.

No clear villain or hero here.
Lebron has said himself he is chasing ghosts.

^^ I have to imagine that Lebron and Dan had a chat before he returned, and Lebron set out the conditions that Dan has to pay to the full extent possible to be all about winning, not profitable.

This is a good thing for us.