Can be really good. Sooner than later too. We have to land a young PG in this draft. A player that can get these 2 easy baskets will do wonders. Plus surrounding them with wings that are ball movers, shooters, and defenders. Holiday, lee, kuz, and baker are a start. Our bench gives us fun basketball and if we can add talent and a legit playmaker, I think the rebuilt can be very quick.
Agreed. Obviously I'm expecting us to be sellers at the deadline and get a few more picks hopefully. This draft has good point guards hopefully we will get close in the draft
StarksEwing1 wrote:Agreed. Obviously I'm expecting us to be sellers at the deadline and get a few more picks hopefully. This draft has good point guards hopefully we will get close in the draft
Yeah the writing is on the wall and it says REBUILD IN THIS DRAFT 😂 So glad we have our picks this year and beyond.
Our season has been smited. The basketball gods have spoken this year.... Lonzo Ball motherfucker
I think the way we're going, we are going to see Melo dealt to the Clips for Rivers and capspace, maybe some second round picks or a first as well.
We'll then re-sign Rose if he's willing to do a fourth year team option, something like $100M over 4 years (fourth year being a team option). With extra capspace we probably look to sign a wing to replace Melo's spot in the starting 5. Could see us
Next year (future age)
STARTERS:
Hernangomez 23
Porzingis 22
Tatum 19 (Lotto #10 or so)
Rivers 25
Rose 29
BENCH:
O'Quinn 26
Thomas 28
Kuz 28
Holiday 28
Lee 31
+A few other bench free agents
Plumlee and Baker back for camp to show they can make the roster.
Noah's trade bait but no one touches him so we keep him as our 3rd big, mainly as injury resere, great practice intensity player, mentoring etc.
I mean I can't see us do much else at this point. We're not getting an ELITE point guard TALENT where we will draft (10 or so). The top elite PG's all are drafted by 5 or 6. We won't be signing Chris Paul or Steph Curry in free agency, I'm sure we'll try.
I'm not saying this is my plan, but I see us doing that as it's realistic. I do think we'll play better in Horny's system next year having many of the players back knowing what they are supposed to be ready for. Additionally we'll play better in this style of play if the team is younger and fresher. Phil is an Austin Rivers fan. Rose is 29 next year. The average age of Rivers, Rose, Willy, KP and a lottery pick will be 23-23.5. It's the right direction longterm, even if we're getting screwed in a Melo return trade wise and unlikely to make the playoffs next year unless KP makes another jump.
nyknickzingis wrote:I think the way we're going, we are going to see Melo dealt to the Clips for Rivers and capspace, maybe some second round picks or a first as well.
We'll then re-sign Rose if he's willing to do a fourth year team option, something like $100M over 4 years (fourth year being a team option). With extra capspace we probably look to sign a wing to replace Melo's spot in the starting 5. Could see us Next year (future age)
STARTERS:
Hernangomez 23
Porzingis 22
Tatum 19 (Lotto #10 or so)
Rivers 29
Rose 29
BENCH:
O'Quinn 26
Thomas 28
Kuz 28
Holiday 28
Lee 31
+A few other bench free agents
Plumlee and Baker back for camp to show they can make the roster.
Noah's trade bait but no one touches him so we keep him as our 3rd big, mainly as injury resere, great practice intensity player, mentoring etc.
I mean I can't see us do much else at this point. We're not getting an ELITE point guard we draft. We won't be signing Chris Paul or Steph Curry, I'm sure we'll try.
I'm not saying this is my plan, but I see us doing that as it's realistic.
Rivers is only 24, not 29. But I like it other than rose. Need a different type of pg. I would rather just take a lower cost option like Darron Collison until we can find a long term pg.
Just saw your correction on rivers age. My bad. But I actually like rivers better than someone like marcus smart. I think adding non-shooters is not ideal for this group.
I think we are going to keep one of Melo/Rose. It looks like Rose. He is younger and even though he inexpicably left the team, the team has been very lenient with him. Melo's being shopped. Dolan needs a star to represent the team and isn't going to allow Phil Jackson in year 4 of his deal to sell him on a 20 win team. There has to be some star power on the Knicks, just the way it is, and that's Rose and KP. Or Melo and KP. I'm not a fan of Rose at all, but I think the Knicks will struggle to sign anyone this coming summer in free agency. Rose is their only star option who would possibly pick them, mainly because we'll likely pay him the most (foolishly). I've just come to terms with that. Knicks won't full out rebuild, but they can rebuild through the draft and youth movement while still having some stars make the team marketable for Dolan. I mean Dolan wnats butts in the seats. People won't come see a team of nobodies and KP. KP and Rose makes it a bit better more marketable. Same with KP and Melo. I see one of Melo/Rose definitely here next year.
nyknickzingis wrote:I think we are going to keep one of Melo/Rose. It looks like Rose. He is younger and even though he inexpicably left the team, the team has been very lenient with him. Melo's being shopped. Dolan needs a star to represent the team and isn't going to allow Phil Jackson in year 4 of his deal to sell him on a 20 win team. There has to be some star power on the Knicks, just the way it is, and that's Rose and KP. Or Melo and KP. I'm not a fan of Rose at all, but I think the Knicks will struggle to sign anyone this coming summer in free agency. Rose is their only star option who would possibly pick them, mainly because we'll likely pay him the most (foolishly). I've just come to terms with that. Knicks won't full out rebuild, but they can rebuild through the draft and youth movement while still having some stars make the team marketable for Dolan. I mean Dolan wnats butts in the seats. People won't come see a team of nobodies and KP. KP and Rose makes it a bit better more marketable. Same with KP and Melo. I see one of Melo/Rose definitely here next year.
i wouldnt keep rose. His injury history alone make it a bad idea plus he isnt a point guard really
We're only 3 wins ahead of the team with the 4th pick, and this draft is plump with PGs, why assume our pick will be 10? And hell no to Rose
If we can get rid of Melo we should immediately look to do a fire sale on Rose and Noah. I don't buy this notion we won't get players to sign here. We have had precious Melo for 6 years and the only people we got to sign here that can even remotely qualify as stars in anything remotely close to their prime are Tyson Chandler and Rose. So it's not like we were the ultimate destination for greatest players in the league.
We can't get better by signing players on. I would totally trade Rose and get as many draft picks as we can in trade for people like Rose and Lee. I am ok with keeping Lee and that maybe the type of player that ends up signing here and that's OK.
I have zero interest in the short term entertainment potential of this team. That's what Phil has to guard against and between him Mills and Gaines they probably have the best chance of keeping Dolan contained.
I'm not big on keeping Rose, but I can't see Dolan allowing Phil to put a team of KP, a lottery pick and 10 role players out there. If all fell in place and KP broke out as a superstar maybe we could be a playoff team. In the case that KP was same level as this year we would be a 25 win team with no star outside of KP. Can't see MSG and Dolan going for that.
nyknickzingis wrote:I'm not big on keeping Rose, but I can't see Dolan allowing Phil to put a team of KP, a lottery pick and 10 role players out there. If all fell in place and KP broke out as a superstar maybe we could be a playoff team. In the case that KP was same level as this year we would be a 25 win team with no star outside of KP. Can't see MSG and Dolan going for that.
Why not? Its not like we have been a playoff team for the last 16 years. Fans will come regardless even in the terrible Isiah era they came. Hell they will come for KP alone and if we continue to get young talent in the draft at least it would be a plan for a change
The key to me is that the Knicks can SELL a NEW ERA! If the Knicks tear this down and move up the draft board that pick could be a young stud they can market along with KP etc. I believe Knicks fans are ready for this. The fan base knows the future is KP and the kids we draft.
I'd be happy with adding Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown to those three... both are completely unproven but are talented. If you're gonna go full rebuild, may as well go full rebuild
nyknickzingis wrote:I'm not big on keeping Rose, but I can't see Dolan allowing Phil to put a team of KP, a lottery pick and 10 role players out there. If all fell in place and KP broke out as a superstar maybe we could be a playoff team. In the case that KP was same level as this year we would be a 25 win team with no star outside of KP. Can't see MSG and Dolan going for that.
I think most of us are confident that KP is going to be great. We have learned enough about his work ethic and personality to know that he will get better every year. Injuries are the only risk, and if something happens in that regard, than it just wasn't meant to be. I think Dolan would sign off on a rebuild around KP and have enough confidence in the front office to find other good players in the draft. He has always wanted a face of the franchise, and KP provides that in place of Melo.
What do people think of possibly drafting De'Aaron Fox? I've seen him a few games and liked his game, but he doesn't seem to have a great shot. Great passer and ball handler though.
nixluva wrote:The key to me is that the Knicks can SELL a NEW ERA! If the Knicks tear this down and move up the draft board that pick could be a young stud they can market along with KP etc. I believe Knicks fans are ready for this. The fan base knows the future is KP and the kids we draft.
Totally agree with Nix's point about the fan base. We're ready for a rebuild, since we already have our cornerstone franchise big. And he's amazing. So we're not talking about a "from scratch" rebuild here, rather one where we have our franchise big already signed.
No surprise: I'm a fan of Phil and his team's talent evaluation. While not perfect, it's been very good and we have a building core of young talent.
this past year he did better choosing baker and plumlee than many teams did with draft picks.
WIth that in mind, I'd like to see him pull another rabbit out of his hat this draft: a George Hill type which no one sees coming, or a smart, athletic (and perhaps still developing) wing Kawhi-II
crzymdups wrote:What do people think of possibly drafting De'Aaron Fox? I've seen him a few games and liked his game, but he doesn't seem to have a great shot. Great passer and ball handler though.
He's great. His shot is the drawback, but that can be added in time. His playmaking, speed, and defense are elite. There are about 12 players in this draft who would be top 5-6 in most drafts. And even though i don't see any franchise players in this group, i think there will be a lot of all-stars or close to it, and once you get past the top 2 or 3 players, there's little to no difference between the remaining in that group. It's all preference. Basically what i am saying is, we need to get into that top 12. Looks like we are already there. But top 8 would probably solidify getting one of the 5 PGs, and Fox is a great option. I think at worst he's a better version of Rubio, at best he's a poor-man's Wall.
Knixkik wrote:crzymdups wrote:What do people think of possibly drafting De'Aaron Fox? I've seen him a few games and liked his game, but he doesn't seem to have a great shot. Great passer and ball handler though.
He's great. His shot is the drawback, but that can be added in time. His playmaking, speed, and defense are elite. There are about 12 players in this draft who would be top 5-6 in most drafts. And even though i don't see any franchise players in this group, i think there will be a lot of all-stars or close to it, and once you get past the top 2 or 3 players, there's little to no difference between the remaining in that group. It's all preference. Basically what i am saying is, we need to get into that top 12. Looks like we are already there. But top 8 would probably solidify getting one of the 5 PGs, and Fox is a great option. I think at worst he's a better version of Rubio, at best he's a poor-man's Wall.
Yeah, that is what I saw with him - I did have the poor man's Wall thought, too. I really liked his game. I feel like he'd be a great fit for KP and what Hornacek wants to do... though not necessarily what Phil wants to do.
It'll be very interesting to see where the pick lines up - there are already a few guys I really like a lot from what little college bball I've seen this year.
We'd be 11th pick right now... but we're only 3 games out of the 4/5/6 pick range - lots of teams have 18, 19 wins.
