Knicks · Cavs still interested in Melo, won't trade Love. Celtics, Clippers updates too (page 1)

crzymdups @ 2/1/2017 4:00 PM

The New York Knicks continue to pursue Kevin Love in advance of the Feb. 23 trade deadline despite the Cleveland Cavaliers' unwillingness to part with the All-Star forward in a deal for Carmelo Anthony, according to league sources.

Sources said the Cavaliers, meanwhile, do maintain an interest in Anthony -- which would pair him with Cleveland star and close friend LeBron James -- but only if a deal can be struck without the league's reigning champions surrendering Love.

ESPN first reported last week that the Cavaliers had rebuffed the Knicks' attempts to swing an Anthony-for-Love swap.

The Knicks, sources say, have continued to engage the Cavaliers, LA Clippers and Boston Celtics in trade talks, believing those are all the teams that Anthony would find appealing enough to surrender his trade-blocking ability if a deal could be struck.

Many of the Knicks' recent discussions with both the Cavaliers and the Clippers, sources say, have featured theoretical three- or four-team trade constructions because of the complexities involved in trading Anthony with two seasons and $54.2 million left on his contract after this season.

Anthony, for his part, was adamant Tuesday when speaking with local reporters that he has not provided the Knicks with a list of potential destinations he considers sufficiently attractive to waive his no-trade clause.

"I haven't told anybody anything," Anthony said Tuesday. "I haven't had that conversation with anybody."

The Knicks and Clippers, as ESPN first reported last week, have been searching for a third team to help them facilitate an Anthony deal.

That's partly because New York, according to sources, is reluctant to take on the contract of Jamal Crawford in any trade, with the guard, who turns 37 in March, due to earn nearly $14.2 million in 2017-18 and guaranteed at least $4 million of his scheduled $14.5 million in 2018-19.

But another significant complication in a potential Anthony-to-L.A. deal is the 32-year-old's 15 percent trade kicker, which would tack an extra $9.6 million onto the remaining value of his contract if a trade is completed. Because the Clippers are hard-capped this season -- after signing Wesley Johnson to a full mid-level deal -- league rules prevent Anthony from amending the trade bonus in a meaningful way to help facilitate a trade.

So the Knicks and Clippers realistically have no choice but to find a third team if they hope to make a deal happen, which would put longtime friends Anthony and Chris Paul on the same team.

Anthony, however, said this week that family considerations play a huge role in his well-chronicled determination to stay in New York and would make accepting a trade anywhere difficult.

"That's more what I care about -- my family," Anthony said Tuesday. "My son being comfortable at an age now [9] where he's really getting an opportunity to understand being in New York and having a home there and having friends there. My wife working there and having her opportunities there ... I think about that more so than my decision for my career.

"At the end of the day, it will come down to my decision. But I think more about my decision and what they're going to have to go through if anything would happen."

ESPN reported last week that Boston and New York haven't gone beyond exploratory discussions when it comes to Anthony, who would bring some star power but doesn't appear to address either of the Celtics' biggest needs -- defense and rebounding.

Anthony is one of only three players in the league who possess a full no-trade clause alongside James and the Dallas Mavericks' Dirk Nowitzki.

crzymdups @ 2/1/2017 4:04 PM
So I guess if you want Love, keep rooting for the Cavs to lose?

Sounds like it's either the Cavs or Clippers and Boston is pretty much out of it.

fishmike @ 2/1/2017 4:12 PM
crzymdups wrote:So I guess if you want Love, keep rooting for the Cavs to lose?

Sounds like it's either the Cavs or Clippers and Boston is pretty much out of it.

its early... we certainly saw in the 90s how tough it is for teams to take that next step. Melo is a player that accomplishes that. We have seen him year after year here on bad teams and its jaded us. Melo is a impact player and can do things only a handful of guys can do so the Knicks are right to set a very high asking price. I am also a believer we should not take pennies on the dollar. Another opportunity may come up in the offseason or next year. This desire to "move on" is just fan emotion.

Phil isnt dumb... he also faces a big perception problem if he moves Melo for a weak package. So far I think they are playing it right. Set the bar high and be patient. How many other players of Melo's impact will be on the trading block?

smackeddog @ 2/1/2017 4:13 PM
What the heck are the cavs proposing if they're not willing to include love? Shump and Jr? Salaries wise they have nothing close to matching melo apart from those two! (except Tristan Thomas, in which case who plays center?
Bonn1997 @ 2/1/2017 4:33 PM
For Cleveland, the goal has to be to get Melo to join their big 3. It wouldn't make sense to break up the big 3 to get Melo.
For us, I want to get out of Melo's contract but if it's going to take up all of Phil's time just to possibly pull of this trade with 3 or 4 teams, it might not be worth it. It would be better to come up with trades to get out of the contracts of Noah and Lee and to get something for Rose so we don't lose him for nothing.
SupremeCommander @ 2/1/2017 4:47 PM
I really think Washington makes sense as a landing spot too. They might be the best team in the East right now and that's unexpected... a Melo for Otto Porter and others general construct would make a ton of sense
crzymdups @ 2/1/2017 4:56 PM
smackeddog wrote:What the heck are the cavs proposing if they're not willing to include love? Shump and Jr? Salaries wise they have nothing close to matching melo apart from those two! (except Tristan Thomas, in which case who plays center?

I think the only Cavs combo that works without Love is Shump and Frye... which, dear god, I hope there's a first rounder or two in that offer.

crzymdups @ 2/1/2017 4:59 PM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:So I guess if you want Love, keep rooting for the Cavs to lose?

Sounds like it's either the Cavs or Clippers and Boston is pretty much out of it.

its early... we certainly saw in the 90s how tough it is for teams to take that next step. Melo is a player that accomplishes that. We have seen him year after year here on bad teams and its jaded us. Melo is a impact player and can do things only a handful of guys can do so the Knicks are right to set a very high asking price. I am also a believer we should not take pennies on the dollar. Another opportunity may come up in the offseason or next year. This desire to "move on" is just fan emotion.

Phil isnt dumb... he also faces a big perception problem if he moves Melo for a weak package. So far I think they are playing it right. Set the bar high and be patient. How many other players of Melo's impact will be on the trading block?

Good question about how many others will be on the block.

Not sure I agree he's setting the price high... Austin Rivers and whatever they can get for Jamal Crawford is not that great. Whereas Kevin Love is probably too high of an ask at this point.

I agree it is wiser to bide their time. Though on the other hand, if the Knicks keep losing, that might make Phil seem more desperate as well.

But nothing to do but wait. I think we'll see a lot of action on this at the all-star break. That's right before the trade deadline. Would be shocked to see anything before then.

crzymdups @ 2/1/2017 5:02 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I really think Washington makes sense as a landing spot too. They might be the best team in the East right now and that's unexpected... a Melo for Otto Porter and others general construct would make a ton of sense

I would like that move a lot. I actually said last year at the trade deadline that I didn't think Melo would be moved til this year and I named Washington as a potential spot because at the time they thought they'd have a shot at Durant, and I didn't see him going there (I thought he'd stay in OKC... oops!)

But, yeah, Porter, maybe Morris... maybe a pick. That'd be a fair return for Melo honestly. Though Porter is due for an extension at the beginning of next season and that could bite into our cap room.

Not sure if Melo would sign off on going to DC... but he could sell it as a return to his Baltimore roots.

knicks1248 @ 2/1/2017 5:12 PM
so phil gave up shump and jr for peanuts, because he clearLY did not like there attitudes, and then he trades back for the 18 months later..HE WOULD COMPLETELY, incompetent especially since the team got worse after the trade. I MEAN HE WOULD REALLY LOOK STUPID
Moonangie @ 2/1/2017 5:19 PM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:So I guess if you want Love, keep rooting for the Cavs to lose?

Sounds like it's either the Cavs or Clippers and Boston is pretty much out of it.

its early... we certainly saw in the 90s how tough it is for teams to take that next step. Melo is a player that accomplishes that. We have seen him year after year here on bad teams and its jaded us. Melo is a impact player and can do things only a handful of guys can do so the Knicks are right to set a very high asking price. I am also a believer we should not take pennies on the dollar. Another opportunity may come up in the offseason or next year. This desire to "move on" is just fan emotion.

Phil isnt dumb... he also faces a big perception problem if he moves Melo for a weak package. So far I think they are playing it right. Set the bar high and be patient. How many other players of Melo's impact will be on the trading block?

Totally agree here. If we take pennies on the dollar, it sends a terrible message to our players, our fans, the league, ESPN/SaS/Charles Barkley, and anyone else who's interested. There's NO reason for us to play the role of desperate franchise. We have KP, so we are NOT desperate.

Let's try to move out our other high cost veteran talent to at least shore up our ability to lose enough games to crack the top 10 in the lottery. That's essential.

Chandler @ 2/1/2017 5:19 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:For Cleveland, the goal has to be to get Melo to join their big 3. It wouldn't make sense to break up the big 3 to get Melo.
For us, I want to get out of Melo's contract but if it's going to take up all of Phil's time just to possibly pull of this trade with 3 or 4 teams, it might not be worth it. It would be better to come up with trades to get out of the contracts of Noah and Lee and to get something for Rose so we don't lose him for nothing.

not sure I agree about clevland. If melo is a 4 they don't need love, if he's a 3 then what's he doing playing behind Lebron?

dacash @ 2/1/2017 5:20 PM
knicks1248 wrote:so phil gave up shump and jr for peanuts, because he clearLY did not like there attitudes, and then he trades back for the 18 months later..HE WOULD COMPLETELY, incompetent especially since the team got worse after the trade. I MEAN HE WOULD REALLY LOOK STUPID

not only would he look really stupid but he would be really stupid, most teams are either surging or plummeting celtics may have an advantage but i cant see hot the clips and cavs have one

Moonangie @ 2/1/2017 5:21 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I really think Washington makes sense as a landing spot too. They might be the best team in the East right now and that's unexpected... a Melo for Otto Porter and others general construct would make a ton of sense

Washington fans LOVE Otto Porter. They would be in open revolt if he's traded for Melo. Plus Washington's offense would suffer from adding a ball stopper like Melo. Never gonna happen.

crzymdups @ 2/1/2017 5:21 PM
knicks1248 wrote:so phil gave up shump and jr for peanuts, because he clearLY did not like there attitudes, and then he trades back for the 18 months later..HE WOULD COMPLETELY, incompetent especially since the team got worse after the trade. I MEAN HE WOULD REALLY LOOK STUPID

Don't forget that when he was talking to Dolan about taking the job in December 2013, the Knicks had an offer on the table for Kyle Lowry that was Shumpert and a 2018 1st round pick. Phil told Dolan not to do the trade because he liked Shump a lot. Then he gives away Shump for nothing in January 2015, like 13 months later. It'd complete the circle if he traded Carmelo Anthony to get Shump two years later. And then we'll hear what a great job Phil has done and how his hands were tied by the no trade clause (which Phil gave Melo even though no other team was offering within $50M of what the Knicks were offering)

yellowboy90 @ 2/1/2017 5:28 PM
Chandler wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:For Cleveland, the goal has to be to get Melo to join their big 3. It wouldn't make sense to break up the big 3 to get Melo.
For us, I want to get out of Melo's contract but if it's going to take up all of Phil's time just to possibly pull of this trade with 3 or 4 teams, it might not be worth it. It would be better to come up with trades to get out of the contracts of Noah and Lee and to get something for Rose so we don't lose him for nothing.

not sure I agree about clevland. If melo is a 4 they don't need love, if he's a 3 then what's he doing playing behind Lebron?

bring one off the bench. Instead of Frye coming off the bench let Love run with the second team

SwishAndDish13 @ 2/1/2017 5:29 PM
Of course they are! What team wouldn't sign up to get something for nothing. I would like the Knicks to flip Noah for Cousins and Rose for Chris Paul but that isn't gonna happen. This might be the most obvious and at the same time stupid report of all time.
SwishAndDish13 @ 2/1/2017 5:30 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:For Cleveland, the goal has to be to get Melo to join their big 3. It wouldn't make sense to break up the big 3 to get Melo.
For us, I want to get out of Melo's contract but if it's going to take up all of Phil's time just to possibly pull of this trade with 3 or 4 teams, it might not be worth it. It would be better to come up with trades to get out of the contracts of Noah and Lee and to get something for Rose so we don't lose him for nothing.

The are better off letting Rose expire or buying him out then flipping him and taking contracts back. It's very confusing to me why people keep wanting to move Rose. Getting the space from him is the most prudent move.

Chandler @ 2/1/2017 5:35 PM
In a strange twist we can end up ahead without trading Melo

If nothing else, the team seems to be creating an us against the world (refs) attitude

and if the knicks get bubkus offers Melo might develop a real chip on his shoulder to prove everyone wrong

worst case situation for us is trading him for more bad contracts

NardDogNation @ 2/1/2017 5:48 PM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:So I guess if you want Love, keep rooting for the Cavs to lose?

Sounds like it's either the Cavs or Clippers and Boston is pretty much out of it.

its early... we certainly saw in the 90s how tough it is for teams to take that next step. Melo is a player that accomplishes that. We have seen him year after year here on bad teams and its jaded us. Melo is a impact player and can do things only a handful of guys can do so the Knicks are right to set a very high asking price. I am also a believer we should not take pennies on the dollar. Another opportunity may come up in the offseason or next year. This desire to "move on" is just fan emotion.

Phil isnt dumb... he also faces a big perception problem if he moves Melo for a weak package. So far I think they are playing it right. Set the bar high and be patient. How many other players of Melo's impact will be on the trading block?

Exactly. Given what sounds like tepid offers for Melo, I'd hold onto him but trade everyone else that isn't part of our youth movement. Melo's a very good ball player but clearly we can still be an awful team with him still on the roster. And quite frankly that fact has made me wonder if we can get a good pick this year, then try to run it back with Melo and other acquisitions next year. Say we walk away with a stud prospect this year, would we really have to tank again for a third?

EnySpree @ 2/1/2017 5:54 PM
All of this is silly...none of the teams mentioned have anything the Knicks would want except for Boston. Roots i do like the idea of the Wizards getting involved. Anything cab happen. There could be a 3 team trade. I'm sure we'd keep Melo before we except some stupid trade involving anything from the Cavs roster.
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