Politics is an art of deception.
Phil is bbal politician with huge experience being around NBA game.
Pure rebuild in NY with Dolan corporation as owner is not a possibility.
He have to apiece Dolan and corporate bureaucracy of MSG.
It was one good reason to blow it up - Melo.
Now we have 3 good reasons to do just same and 3 reasons are more telling that one.
More over the rebuild is already in works and even get some traction and nice looking intermediate results.
Stay patient brothers....
EnySpree wrote:BRIGGS wrote:It really doesn't seem like it.
The whole organization is terribly mismanaged
We are a ragtag mess
How are we mismanaged? Cuz Melo still can't win with better coaching and more help around him?
We stll have our picks and will be under the Cap yet again with movable pieces. Save the drama for yo auntie
The Knicks are better managed now than in many years. They manage the cap nicely. We have picks. We have tradeable assets. Strong front-office. Fine coaching.
People seem to forget LeBron's first year in Miami. It takes time for teams to gel. The Knicks increasingly look like they are getting their act together. The games are tighter and usually competitive. It may or may not happen this year but the trajectory is obvious to anyone not just rank hating.
And I, too, get tired of the meme that Melo is not surrounded by talent. It's his job to make them better not the other way around.
I think the Knicks were thinking of either dealing Melo or trying to win with him in 2016. They had just come off a third consecutive lottery season with Melo, in which they also lost their draft pick. With massive capspace and a glaring need for point guard, a Melo on his last few years of high level play, Phil went for it. Thought, why not, give it a go. They brought in some players who should have atleast made the team a playoff team. Rose, Noah, Lee, Jennings. However the players never meshed, and players never played together as a team. Phil made a tweet that I remember really well before the season began. About players needing to make a sacrifice and playing hard together. It just didn't happen with these guys. They prefer to play too much isolation basketball, prefer to play lax on defense. Maybe a different coaching staff would have gotten more. But Melo has had many coaching staffs and Rose has also been with Thibs. The common thing about our two top stars is they both like to isolate, and alot.
The good thing about PJ's plan to win now with Melo/Rose was there are easy opt outs or escape plans. Rose is a last year contract. Melo is hard to trade, but as you see the amount of media pressure and pressure Phil is putting on Melo, I can't see Melo stay a Knick next year. Noah and Lee are on longterm deals, but in today's capspace era, those contracts won't stop you from being a player in free agency. If Knicks even make a Melo for Rivers/expiring contracts/draft pick deal, they'll have over 40 million in capspace next summer.
The plan was what it was, to take a chance with Melo and do that by adding Rose. It hasn't worked out. Now it's clear the Knicks are shifting towards rebuilding around KP. People can be upset with Phil about bad management, but he got Melo talent. Rose, KP, Lee, Noah, Jennings. Give Lebron a top 10 player in the league that talent and they'll make the playoffs. Now that it didn't work out, the smart thing is to rebuild. Melo even knows this is a possibility. The thing that makes it a circus, is Phil refuses to talk straight to Melo. Mind games. He's shopping him, yet telling him nothing. I think Melo deserved better than that, but it could also be that Phil thinks that if he told Melo his play would sink and also that in the end the large possibility is that Melo will not be traded anyway till the summer. So why tell Melo you are being traded when you likely won't be until the summer.
markvmc wrote:Of course, if the ball had bounced a little differently in some of the close games we won early in the season, we could have been looking at the third or fourth worst record in the NBA.
You can't expect most fans to remember the close wins apparently. I've tried to make this point a lot of times. It still seems many here think that the team had a disproportionate number of close losses this year.
Bonn1997 wrote:markvmc wrote:Of course, if the ball had bounced a little differently in some of the close games we won early in the season, we could have been looking at the third or fourth worst record in the NBA.
You can't expect most fans to remember the close wins apparently. I've tried to make this point a lot of times. It still seems many here think that the team had a disproportionate number of close losses this year.
Having so many close games alone tells that team is not good.
To contend team need to blow up lesser opponents repeatedly.
And this what contenders do.
Knicks as they assembled are mediocre team. They can get to play off with certain amount of luck and help from other teams.
But then they will be wiped out by any 1st place team for granted. So why bother?
We were there before and how it helps?
We are in no man land of NBA.
We need to focus more on building long term.
May take 4-5 years from now but the hole was so deep even this will be a miracle.
We have our first rounders, we have cap flexibility- things could be far worse. Yet look at our record and compare the negative coverage our team gets to the Bulls, Lakers, Nets, Bucks etc etc- it's ridiculous. The pressure the media puts on this team makes everything harder.
smackeddog wrote:We have our first rounders, we have cap flexibility- things could be far worse. Yet look at our record and compare the negative coverage our team gets to the Bulls, Lakers, Nets, Bucks etc etc- it's ridiculous. The pressure the media puts on this team makes everything harder.
and we continue to add players with long term upside and good deals. 3 years for Kuz and 4 for Willy in a year... I actually like the direction a lot. If we move away from Melo/Rose to guys who move the ball more people will quickly change their tunes on the Noah signing as well.
totally agree with your post.
fishmike wrote:smackeddog wrote:We have our first rounders, we have cap flexibility- things could be far worse. Yet look at our record and compare the negative coverage our team gets to the Bulls, Lakers, Nets, Bucks etc etc- it's ridiculous. The pressure the media puts on this team makes everything harder.
and we continue to add players with long term upside and good deals. 3 years for Kuz and 4 for Willy in a year... I actually like the direction a lot. If we move away from Melo/Rose to guys who move the ball more people will quickly change their tunes on the Noah signing as well.totally agree with your post.
This is how proper rebuild is done.
It is not a rocket science.
Media need sensationalism to make money.
They are praying on Knick for 20 years already and will continue until team with turn the pages of sucking.
We are a bit better in being normal but far away from being great and this what it takes to silence the crowd after sucking so long.
fishmike wrote:smackeddog wrote:We have our first rounders, we have cap flexibility- things could be far worse. Yet look at our record and compare the negative coverage our team gets to the Bulls, Lakers, Nets, Bucks etc etc- it's ridiculous. The pressure the media puts on this team makes everything harder.
and we continue to add players with long term upside and good deals. 3 years for Kuz and 4 for Willy in a year... I actually like the direction a lot. If we move away from Melo/Rose to guys who move the ball more people will quickly change their tunes on the Noah signing as well.totally agree with your post.
FYI Kuz is a 2 year deal.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/cont...
martin wrote:fishmike wrote:smackeddog wrote:We have our first rounders, we have cap flexibility- things could be far worse. Yet look at our record and compare the negative coverage our team gets to the Bulls, Lakers, Nets, Bucks etc etc- it's ridiculous. The pressure the media puts on this team makes everything harder.
and we continue to add players with long term upside and good deals. 3 years for Kuz and 4 for Willy in a year... I actually like the direction a lot. If we move away from Melo/Rose to guys who move the ball more people will quickly change their tunes on the Noah signing as well.totally agree with your post.
FYI Kuz is a 2 year deal.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/cont...
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york_k...Yea.. not sure why hoopshype has him listed as 3. Fair enough.. so thats another player with early Bird rights we probably look to resign. Time will tell.
