EnySpree wrote:crzymdups wrote:I can't believe the amount of loyalty Phil still has here. First year he's here he trades Tyson and Felton for pennies on the dollar, then he gives away Shumpert and JR, who go help the Cavs make two straight Finals. (Cavs get JR and Shump for FREE, so they have two first round picks to offer for Mozgov, btw)
Remember the first summer we had max cap room under Phil? People here were talking about LaMarcus Aldridge, maybe stealing RFAs Khris Middleton or Draymond Green, or maybe settling for Danny Green... maybe Greg Monroe (hey, his ws/48 shows great upside!)... summer comes NO ONE wants to come play for a 17-win Triangle team. Phil gets Rolo, Afflalo, DWill... we're told it's a great haul in spite of things and Phil has maintained flexibility. A year later, they're all gone.
Next summer Phil trades his recent first round pick (he's kept the picks! he's rebuilding!) for past his prime DRose, signs well past his prime Joakim Noah to a 4yr deal, and luckily Noah convinces Courtney Lee to come and also Brandon Jennings (okay, I like those last two).
All those moves. Not to mention giving away Tim Hardaway Jr to get Jerian Grant who was a horrible Triangle fit...
All those moves. And people say, hey if Melo just moved the ball more and would try a little more on D this team could COMPETE. Gimme a frickin break. Melo's been a soldier under Phil's disastrous attempt to be a team builder. And now the knock on Melo is that he won't leave so Phil can tie himself to Austin Rivers and Jamal Crawford (whose deals runs just as long as Melo's by the way). Gimme. a. Break.
I didn't even have the energy to go through the coaching moves, but for the record it's been four head coaches in less than three years.
First off I am only loyal to the Knicks. Don't flip that to me being loyal to Dolan either like you are trying to do with Phil.
I'm going to keep repeating this.... who was the first and last superstar to ever want to sign with the Knicks? Amare Stoudemire....you can make the argument for Allan Houston but he was not a superstar when he came over. Nobody wants to come to NY. It's not because of Phil. It's because of the bitchy media and fans.
Melo had a career long reputation for not playing defense and not passng the ball. 13 years of hearing that from fans and the media. Now it's implied that Phil is saying that now and everyone is losing their shit? Why do you think that is?
You run down aLl of Phil's moves but we have all our picks and have a healthy cap for 3 years straight. He gave Melo Lee, Rose and Noah to play with him and kp.... we're so losing. That's not on Phil. Phil left it open to have cap space and collect a lottery pick if we lose this year. That's all Phil. So save me the love and hip hop garbage.
Get back on the Knicks bandwagon and stop making love to the tabloid bullshit. Right now is ask about the draft. We're going to get an excellent pick in the lottery, and 2 great 2nd round picks... we might even get another 1st or second. Plus we going to be under the cap again with potential to make trades to make even more space. Put that in your pipe aND smoke one for the orange and blue!
a) Melo was a superstar who wanted to come here.
b) I'm not going to argue what makes someone a true fan or not. Charles Oakley was just dragged out of the Garden in handcuffs. I think every fan has a right to question what the hell is going on with their beloved Knicks. Loving the Knicks does not equal smiling unquestioningly at crap you don't believe is right or ignoring it imho. Just like being a good citizen doesn't mean smiling and going along with everything your government does. Obviously the stakes are a lot lower with the Knicks, so what does it really matter either way?
c) Phil wasn't allowed to trade the 2017 pick because the 2016 pick had been traded, he wasn't allowed to trade the 2015 pick because the 2014 pick had been traded - it's the Stepien rule - so it's league rules that we have a pick this year, not Phil. He has previously tried to offer the 2018 pick in a trade for Jeff Teague, Atlanta at the time turned it down because the pick was too far out.
d) Almost every team is going to be under the cap because the cap is going up almost $20M... that's also the only reason we had cap room last summer, the cap went up almost $50M over the past two summers from like $65M to $109M or something.
So two things you are giving Phil credit for - the cap room, and the draft picks, he really had no choice in...
I think Phil has done well to bring in some of the European prospects - KP, Willy, Kuz I like. I like Courtney Lee and Jennings, too. I have faith in him to make a good draft pick this summer. I don't love his free agent moves, but I also agree with you that none of the top tier guys are going to come here until we are like a 50win team and they can view themselves as the final piece in most cases.
I'm on the Knicks bandwagon. Which is why I'm pissed about Phil, pissed about Dolan, and pissed about how this season has gone.
If disagree about Melo's future or the way Phil has handled it, that doesn't mean we both don't like the Knicks. I mean shit, both of us post here practically every day - it's obvious we both love the damn Knicks, even if we disagree about what went wrong with this season and even if they break our hearts every damn year.
..Poor Hornacek comes here and gets his coaching career destroyed in short order..3 months..