Knicks · Ding Doubles Down on Melo Shade (page 1)

crzymdups @ 2/9/2017 9:13 PM
Phil... I mean... Kevin Ding with another article about how Melo is not good. Earlier this week he established Melo is not as good as Kobe or Jordan. Now he has the revelation that Melo is not as good as Lebron. Really just groundbreaking analysis here by Phil Ja... I mean Kevin Ding.

Isn't it funny that both Charley Rosen and Kevin Ding wrote Melo slam pieces that led to Phil tweeting... then both Rosen and Ding felt compelled to write follow-up articles doubling down when the articles were met with skepticism that Phil was partially involved? Almost seems like they're following the Kelly Anne Conway / Sean Spicer playbook.

holfresh @ 2/9/2017 9:16 PM
Why not, Phil made him a star...He want's to keep shining...

By the way, there was a Bron/Melo debate??
crzymdups @ 2/9/2017 9:16 PM
Perhaps you think it's unfair to compare Carmelo Anthony to the fire-breathing predecessors who flourished under Phil Jackson (Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant), as we did in this space earlier in the week.

Maybe it is more appropriate to compare Anthony to his closest peer—his high school rival, the guy with whom he entered the NBA, his fellow small-forward superstar in the Eastern Conference most of the past decade?

That, however, may be just as unfair a comparison, as LeBron James is better than Anthony…just as Jordan and Bryant were.

But let's dig a little deeper to understand why—and try not to miss how that same difference has dictated the stark contrast between their current seasons, too.


James is doing everything he possibly can to win again in Cleveland this season—at a time when everyone would understand if he eased up.

He's almost leading the league in minutes per game (Kyle Lowry's 37.7 to James' 37.6) after six consecutive NBA Finals runs. He's pushing his general manager to ensure every option for adding talent is explored. And he's pulling crazy shots and passes out of his hat every night.

Even-handed or heavy-handed, James is trying whatever he can to get the best out of his team, with full awareness that repeat championships are rare; it's human nature for some slippage to come with complacency.

It appears James is finally taking a day off Thursday night in Oklahoma City in the Cavaliers' third game in four nights. Too bad for the fans, as it's a national TV game, but it would be only the fourth game all season he has missed.

We thought he'd take it pretty easy this season. Instead, we have more evidence as to how James has gotten better at filling whatever void his team has—while also implementing various ways to lead.

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Remember when he used to be just the supportive guy, not the I'll-make-waves guy? Remember when he was criticized for not being aggressive enough on offense late in games, which feels like a lifetime ago even though he's passing this season more than ever? Remember when his jumper was clunky or he wasn't comfortable posting up?

This is the stuff we're talking about when a superstar wants to win badly. He will try whatever it takes to get where he wants to go, mentally and physically. He will learn more and more, and the result in this case is going to be crystal clear:

James will be remembered for greatness, not the moments when he manipulated every contract situation for leverage, irked people with his team grievances or even overstepped his bounds in personnel matters in the latter part of his career. The Cavaliers' late-season comeback after losing to the visiting Golden State Warriors by 34 points in January 2016 happened only because of all the little things James did to pull his team both up and together—and then came that 3-1 NBA Finals rally with James as series MVP, which he probably would have won even if he'd lost.

He can still win with physical dominance, yet now he can also win with strategy.

James has advanced his game in every way, even while growing his global brand and dabbling in acting and producing.

Has Anthony?

He's still a great scorer.

And…what else?

If we look at it strictly from the perspective of what Anthony does to help his team win basketball games, it's pretty much the same as it ever was.

It's just not enough.

Amid all his flaws as a newbie NBA executive, Jackson is at least the one pushing and stirring and demanding, while Anthony wants to camp out at the mid-post and hold the ball, the same way he wants to be comfortable living his life in New York City.

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Anthony's defense has been consistently egregious (ranking 403rd in the NBA in defensive real plus-minus), although it looked briefly last season as if Anthony was seeing the light regarding team ball. That part makes this season even more disheartening.


Trying harder to get teammates involved, Anthony finished last season with 10 points per game created off his assists, according to NBA.com. This season, he has dropped way off to 6.9, which ranks 88th in the league and is even worse than Anthony's 7.3 in 2014-15. And this year, Anthony has had the benefit of working with an upgraded roster of offensive talent in Derrick Rose, Courtney Lee and a more seasoned Kristaps Porzingis. (James is averaging 22.3 points created by assist, fifth behind point guards James Harden, John Wall, Russell Westbrook and Chris Paul.)

It's not about James having more all-around skills than Anthony from the get-go. It's that there is just too much proof at this point that James is driven like the greats to improve his craft, while Anthony is not.

That has proven true even this season, their 14th in the NBA.

Further emboldened, and rightly so, by Cleveland's run to close last season, James has been pressuring his management to raise its standards even higher. James has pushed general manager David Griffin to search out more talent even with owner Dan Gilbert's checkbook open wider than anyone in the NBA. (Newcomer Kyle Korver delivered 29 points in a victory Wednesday night, but James has made clear to his local beat writers that he wants even more.) You know James will ramp up the pressure on his teammates after the All-Star break, too—same as a year ago.

Meanwhile, Anthony has complained about the stress of the various pressures his management has put on him. About Jackson, Anthony told reporters late Wednesday night after another Knicks loss that he is "beyond the point of it bothering me."


Some fans are cool with their guy putting the ball in the basket neatly and staying mellow. That's fine. That's why it's every fan's prerogative what kind of superstar they want to admire.

But there truly is a gulf of a difference, make no mistake, in how much some of these stars want to win.

And as long as James' career continues, his willingness to work for every extra edge will stand as a stark reminder of what Anthony is missing.

HofstraBBall @ 2/9/2017 10:18 PM

Yeah, this is the guy I trust to talk about basketball. Favorite part was the green bucket behind the chair. Probably for girl to throw up after listening to this arrogant beat writer talk about his career as if he was the head of a major organzation. These guys are pathetic and they hate to see anyone experiencing success in life. Funny how him trashing Melo gets him 7k hits. This video 600. Hmmm wonder why he choose to trash the guy?

holfresh @ 2/9/2017 10:27 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:

Yeah, this is the guy I trust to talk about basketball. Favorite part was the green bucket behind the chair. Probably for girl to throw up after listening to this arrogant beat writer talk about his career as if he was the head of a major organzation. These guys are pathetic and they hate to see anyone experiencing success in life. Funny how him trashing Melo gets him 7k hits. This video 600. Hmmm wonder why he choose to trash the guy?

I have never read any of his articles including now..Hmmm..So he covers the Lakers??..Hmmmm..What's the Laker connection here???..Who do we know that might have connected with this dude in Laker land...I'll figure it out...

crzymdups @ 2/9/2017 10:38 PM
holfresh wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:Yeah, this is the guy I trust to talk about basketball. Favorite part was the green bucket behind the chair. Probably for girl to throw up after listening to this arrogant beat writer talk about his career as if he was the head of a major organzation. These guys are pathetic and they hate to see anyone experiencing success in life. Funny how him trashing Melo gets him 7k hits. This video 600. Hmmm wonder why he choose to trash the guy?

I have never read any of his articles including now..Hmmm..So he covers the Lakers??..Hmmmm..What's the Laker connection here???..Who do we know that might have connected with this dude in Laker land...I'll figure it out...

Yeah, he covered the Lakers when Phil was out there. They've known each other for over ten years.

holfresh @ 2/9/2017 10:43 PM
crzymdups wrote:
holfresh wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:Yeah, this is the guy I trust to talk about basketball. Favorite part was the green bucket behind the chair. Probably for girl to throw up after listening to this arrogant beat writer talk about his career as if he was the head of a major organzation. These guys are pathetic and they hate to see anyone experiencing success in life. Funny how him trashing Melo gets him 7k hits. This video 600. Hmmm wonder why he choose to trash the guy?

I have never read any of his articles including now..Hmmm..So he covers the Lakers??..Hmmmm..What's the Laker connection here???..Who do we know that might have connected with this dude in Laker land...I'll figure it out...

Yeah, he covered the Lakers when Phil was out there. They've known each other for over ten years.

So Phil thought his guy Rosen was hot and people was probably on to him...So he decided to throw people off his tracks with this guy...Whatever..Just tired of the baggage that comes with this team..We get all the Divas..

arkrud @ 2/10/2017 12:57 AM
Sorry to rain on your parade.
Melo, Phil... Who cares about all this clowns?
This is Knicks board.
Clowns come and go but Knicks are there to stay.
fwk00 @ 2/10/2017 12:24 PM
Great analysis. This is what good sports reporting looks like.
newyorker4ever @ 2/10/2017 12:42 PM
Yawn yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I'm so bored of all of this shyt.

smackeddog @ 2/10/2017 1:31 PM
holfresh wrote:Why not, Phil made him a star...He want's to keep shining...

By the way, there was a Bron/Melo debate??

Actually there was back when they were rookies , seems a long time ago!

I've never bought into the 'melo isn't as good as Lebron therefore is trash' argument though

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