For all of Melo's well-documented flaws, I hope he stays mainly because I can't see a scenario in which we don't get fleeced. Frankly, I also admire the way he's handled himself through the doodoo storm of the past few weeks. The only possible "out" would be to work a deal with Boston, in which we tap into their treasure chest of draft picks. As far as the Clippers, unless we got one of their "big three," I think we should just walk away.
I Just don't think trading melo is the answering to anything unless it nets a decent return. I don't feel like KP, is stronger enough, smart enough to carry a team any time soon. Putting him in that situation will surely get him injured, as we all can see he easily gets fatigued.
knicks1248 wrote:I Just don't think trading melo is the answering to anything unless it nets a decent return. I don't feel like KP, is stronger enough, smart enough to carry a team any time soon. Putting him in that situation will surely get him injured, as we all can see he easily gets fatigued.
the problem is melo is gonna be 33 and he has never been that guy to build a contender anyway. It just makes sense to move on a build this team correctly for the future
StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:I Just don't think trading melo is the answering to anything unless it nets a decent return. I don't feel like KP, is stronger enough, smart enough to carry a team any time soon. Putting him in that situation will surely get him injured, as we all can see he easily gets fatigued.
the problem is melo is gonna be 33 and he has never been that guy to build a contender anyway. It just makes sense to move on a build this team correctly for the future
He was that guy when he first came to NY but the Knicks didn't have the means to build the correct team around him. Phil's resets and pushing the triangle don't help the team or Melo now. Melo's prime was wasted because of mismanagement.
CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:I Just don't think trading melo is the answering to anything unless it nets a decent return. I don't feel like KP, is stronger enough, smart enough to carry a team any time soon. Putting him in that situation will surely get him injured, as we all can see he easily gets fatigued.
the problem is melo is gonna be 33 and he has never been that guy to build a contender anyway. It just makes sense to move on a build this team correctly for the future
He was that guy when he first came to NY but the Knicks didn't have the means to build the correct team around him. Phil's resets and pushing the triangle don't help the team or Melo now. Melo's prime was wasted because of mismanagement.
not sure about that. Ive always felt he is the perfect 2nd guy on a contender who provides the scoring.
nyknickzingis wrote:My boys shine? lolThe Knicks need to rebuild
Rebuilding and Melo don't go in the same sentence
He's 33 in decline and has a high usage low assist rate while holding on to the ball long. Not good match for a rebuilding team.
I guess it's more important for some to see Melo play and get stats than be in a better position long term.
As for shine for KP, the lol on that is huge. KP gets hype regardless (too much so in my opinion). He's ranked 6th on the young players on the rose list. He just won a guard skill challenge at all star weekend. Melo actually helps protect KP from the bad side of NY which is they will blame you as the best player if your team loses.
At first trading Melo will actually hurt KPs hype and all that. I could care less. What I care about is having a team of 4-5 young in prime starters who can grow together and win basketball games. KP can be one of those players. It's a guard league right now if Knicks are going to be good it will not be with KP alone. This team neeeds a great guard and he will take shine/attention from KP. So what? Get god players in their prime that play D. That's the goal.
This all is just based on opinion. The thing I keep telling you is that he has a NTC! He is not going anywhere. So why not focus on real solutions. I like KP but think all the hype is overblown. Which is par for the course in NY. Is he a very good young player? Absolutely. Is he ready to be rushed into leading a franchise? Absolutely not. He has a lot to learn and may have the type of game that does not take advantage of his major strengths. His height and atheleticism. Not that he can't and not that he won't, but just not yet.
HofstraBBall wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:My boys shine? lolThe Knicks need to rebuild
Rebuilding and Melo don't go in the same sentence
He's 33 in decline and has a high usage low assist rate while holding on to the ball long. Not good match for a rebuilding team.
I guess it's more important for some to see Melo play and get stats than be in a better position long term.
As for shine for KP, the lol on that is huge. KP gets hype regardless (too much so in my opinion). He's ranked 6th on the young players on the rose list. He just won a guard skill challenge at all star weekend. Melo actually helps protect KP from the bad side of NY which is they will blame you as the best player if your team loses.
At first trading Melo will actually hurt KPs hype and all that. I could care less. What I care about is having a team of 4-5 young in prime starters who can grow together and win basketball games. KP can be one of those players. It's a guard league right now if Knicks are going to be good it will not be with KP alone. This team neeeds a great guard and he will take shine/attention from KP. So what? Get god players in their prime that play D. That's the goal.
This all is just based on opinion. The thing I keep telling you is that he has a NTC! He is not going anywhere. So why not focus on real solutions. I like KP but think all the hype is overblown. Which is par for the course in NY. Is he a very good young player? Absolutely. Is he ready to be rushed into leading a franchise? Absolutely not. He has a lot to learn and may have the type of game that does not take advantage of his major strengths. His height and atheleticism. Not that he can't and not that he won't, but just not yet.
i agree. We might as well focus on the positives. KP and Willy seems like great building blocks for the future. Plus hopefully we can hit another homerun in the draft like we did in 2015
HofstraBBall wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:My boys shine? lolThe Knicks need to rebuild
Rebuilding and Melo don't go in the same sentence
He's 33 in decline and has a high usage low assist rate while holding on to the ball long. Not good match for a rebuilding team.
I guess it's more important for some to see Melo play and get stats than be in a better position long term.
As for shine for KP, the lol on that is huge. KP gets hype regardless (too much so in my opinion). He's ranked 6th on the young players on the rose list. He just won a guard skill challenge at all star weekend. Melo actually helps protect KP from the bad side of NY which is they will blame you as the best player if your team loses.
At first trading Melo will actually hurt KPs hype and all that. I could care less. What I care about is having a team of 4-5 young in prime starters who can grow together and win basketball games. KP can be one of those players. It's a guard league right now if Knicks are going to be good it will not be with KP alone. This team neeeds a great guard and he will take shine/attention from KP. So what? Get god players in their prime that play D. That's the goal.
This all is just based on opinion. The thing I keep telling you is that he has a NTC! He is not going anywhere. So why not focus on real solutions. I like KP but think all the hype is overblown. Which is par for the course in NY. Is he a very good young player? Absolutely. Is he ready to be rushed into leading a franchise? Absolutely not. He has a lot to learn and may have the type of game that does not take advantage of his major strengths. His height and atheleticism. Not that he can't and not that he won't, but just not yet.
It's clear according to him, if management came to him and told him they wanted to rebuild, he would move on. Unless he is lieing about that. He has made it clear he wants to stay in NY unless NY wants to rebuild and go in another direction.
The issue I have with Melo's spot on the team. So long as Melo is here, the team won't go for a full rebuild. When you have an all-star level player who drops 25 a night and is making 25 million a year, the pressure is there to win now. We've tried for so many years now to try and win around Melo. We've just gotten nowhere.
My thinking process is based on taking Melo at face value. That he would want to move on if the Knicks are rebuilding. What the Knicks currently are doing is trying to add some young talent but also trade/sign veterans to help get more competitive in the short run. Before Jackson got to NY, they weren't even trying to get young talent, rather trade for as many 7+ year experienced NBA players as possible to make a run. It led to one decent season, and the rest have all been lottery.
So I repeat, if Melo is telling the truth that the Knicks come to him that they are re-building he will move on, then I see no reason to be concerned about the NTC. The worry I have is the Knicks are not planning to re-build. They are going to keep trying to get some big names in free agency. Such as Chris Paul this summer. When they strike out, they'll make more moves like they've made already such as D-Rose, Noah, Lee. None of those are really bad moves if you're trying to win now, it's just that it's not going to happen (win now) so why waste time in the short run? It's win-win if Melo goes plays on a team where he is the second or third best player, and he can try to win a championship and for us we aim/strive to get 4-5 young good players. We already have two, we aren't that far off from being a good young team.
nyknickzingis wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:My boys shine? lolThe Knicks need to rebuild
Rebuilding and Melo don't go in the same sentence
He's 33 in decline and has a high usage low assist rate while holding on to the ball long. Not good match for a rebuilding team.
I guess it's more important for some to see Melo play and get stats than be in a better position long term.
As for shine for KP, the lol on that is huge. KP gets hype regardless (too much so in my opinion). He's ranked 6th on the young players on the rose list. He just won a guard skill challenge at all star weekend. Melo actually helps protect KP from the bad side of NY which is they will blame you as the best player if your team loses.
At first trading Melo will actually hurt KPs hype and all that. I could care less. What I care about is having a team of 4-5 young in prime starters who can grow together and win basketball games. KP can be one of those players. It's a guard league right now if Knicks are going to be good it will not be with KP alone. This team neeeds a great guard and he will take shine/attention from KP. So what? Get god players in their prime that play D. That's the goal.
This all is just based on opinion. The thing I keep telling you is that he has a NTC! He is not going anywhere. So why not focus on real solutions. I like KP but think all the hype is overblown. Which is par for the course in NY. Is he a very good young player? Absolutely. Is he ready to be rushed into leading a franchise? Absolutely not. He has a lot to learn and may have the type of game that does not take advantage of his major strengths. His height and atheleticism. Not that he can't and not that he won't, but just not yet.
It's clear according to him, if management came to him and told him they wanted to rebuild, he would move on. Unless he is lieing about that. He has made it clear he wants to stay in NY unless NY wants to rebuild and go in another direction.The issue I have with Melo's spot on the team. So long as Melo is here, the team won't go for a full rebuild. When you have an all-star level player who drops 25 a night and is making 25 million a year, the pressure is there to win now. We've tried for so many years now to try and win around Melo. We've just gotten nowhere.
My thinking process is based on taking Melo at face value. That he would want to move on if the Knicks are rebuilding. What the Knicks currently are doing is trying to add some young talent but also trade/sign veterans to help get more competitive in the short run. Before Jackson got to NY, they weren't even trying to get young talent, rather trade for as many 7+ year experienced NBA players as possible to make a run. It led to one decent season, and the rest have all been lottery.
So I repeat, if Melo is telling the truth that the Knicks come to him that they are re-building he will move on, then I see no reason to be concerned about the NTC. The worry I have is the Knicks are not planning to re-build. They are going to keep trying to get some big names in free agency. Such as Chris Paul this summer. When they strike out, they'll make more moves like they've made already such as D-Rose, Noah, Lee. None of those are really bad moves if you're trying to win now, it's just that it's not going to happen (win now) so why waste time in the short run? It's win-win if Melo goes plays on a team where he is the second or third best player, and he can try to win a championship and for us we aim/strive to get 4-5 young good players. We already have two, we aren't that far off from being a good young team.
Melo will waive his ntc for certain situations. He wants to win and he wants to be in a big market. Keeping his word makes it sound like if he won't waive his deal for the jazz, twolves, raptors, bucks etc. that he is a villain. Phil gave him the ntc and the gigantic trade kicker. He has to deal with the consequences of his on the job mistakes that he made while he has been playing part time nba gm.
Can't see Melo going anywhere but Boston or Cleveland at this point.
Put's him in a position to win and the they have the assets needed... Boston needs to up the offer from a mid first round pick though, that's ridiculous for Melo.
CrushAlot wrote:
Yep - but Melo will probably blank that option up for us.
Would love Bradley, Celtics 17 and Memphis 18? picks for Melo. Prefer Bradley over Crowder -- would even be up for Rozier because he is a NY type of tough player.
LivingLegend wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
Yep - but Melo will probably blank that option up for us.
Would love Bradley, Celtics 17 and Memphis 18? picks for Melo. Prefer Bradley over Crowder -- would even be up for Rozier because he is a NY type of tough player.
Yesterday SAS said he would go there. Today they said only LA teams. I wonder if playing for STevens makes the decision easier.
Shouldn't the Knicks be contacting the Nets. Melo likes NY might want to stay in the area. That would be a real coming home.
gr33d wrote:Can't see Melo going anywhere but Boston or Cleveland at this point.Put's him in a position to win and the they have the assets needed... Boston needs to up the offer from a mid first round pick though, that's ridiculous for Melo.
Clippers are still the most likely. However Boston can easily trump that deal without even breaking out their Net picks- Clips aren't offering any, so Celtics just have to offer one mid round pick to trump it.
StarksEwing1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:I Just don't think trading melo is the answering to anything unless it nets a decent return. I don't feel like KP, is stronger enough, smart enough to carry a team any time soon. Putting him in that situation will surely get him injured, as we all can see he easily gets fatigued.
the problem is melo is gonna be 33 and he has never been that guy to build a contender anyway. It just makes sense to move on a build this team correctly for the future
Exactly right. If he was, the team would not be 11 games under .500
Melo can be great and can carry a team for a few games but IMO does not have what it takes to be the top guy on a team.
Once traded, he will excel in a #2/#3 role.
Well, nobody wants a super star Melo whom couldnt become a winner in the regular season under the famous Zen master!
We all should have known Melo was not a winner when it was James Dolan decision to bring Melo to NY.
Think the best trade for everyone involved (including Melo) would be to the Celtics for Jaylen Brown, a non-Brooklyn 1st rounder & the 2 expiring contracts of Amir Johnson & Jonas Jeracbo.
We get a 20yr SF prospect to go with KP & Willy & another young player from a strong draft.
Melo puts Boston in the NBA finals
They lose no core players and play Melo at PF, his best position.
Makes too much sense for everyone involved. Boston only 3 1/2 hours (driving) away.
