Think the best trade for everyone involved (including Melo) would be to the Celtics for Jaylen Brown, a non-Brooklyn 1st rounder & the 2 expiring contracts of Amir Johnson & Jonas Jeracbo.
We get a 20yr SF prospect to go with KP & Willy & another young player from a strong draft.
Melo puts Boston in the NBA finals
They lose no core players and play Melo at PF, his best position.
Makes too much sense for everyone involved. Boston only 3 1/2 hours (driving) away.
Kemet wrote:Well, nobody wants a super star Melo whom couldnt become a winner in the regular season under the famous Zen master!
We all should have known Melo was not a winner when it was James Dolan decision to bring Melo to NY.
Is that what you really think?
CrushAlot wrote:Kemet wrote:Well, nobody wants a super star Melo whom couldnt become a winner in the regular season under the famous Zen master!
We all should have known Melo was not a winner when it was James Dolan decision to bring Melo to NY.
Is that what you really think?
I guess everybody dolan brings in is a loser. from presidents to players
nyknickzingis wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:My boys shine? lolThe Knicks need to rebuild
Rebuilding and Melo don't go in the same sentence
He's 33 in decline and has a high usage low assist rate while holding on to the ball long. Not good match for a rebuilding team.
I guess it's more important for some to see Melo play and get stats than be in a better position long term.
As for shine for KP, the lol on that is huge. KP gets hype regardless (too much so in my opinion). He's ranked 6th on the young players on the rose list. He just won a guard skill challenge at all star weekend. Melo actually helps protect KP from the bad side of NY which is they will blame you as the best player if your team loses.
At first trading Melo will actually hurt KPs hype and all that. I could care less. What I care about is having a team of 4-5 young in prime starters who can grow together and win basketball games. KP can be one of those players. It's a guard league right now if Knicks are going to be good it will not be with KP alone. This team neeeds a great guard and he will take shine/attention from KP. So what? Get god players in their prime that play D. That's the goal.
This all is just based on opinion. The thing I keep telling you is that he has a NTC! He is not going anywhere. So why not focus on real solutions. I like KP but think all the hype is overblown. Which is par for the course in NY. Is he a very good young player? Absolutely. Is he ready to be rushed into leading a franchise? Absolutely not. He has a lot to learn and may have the type of game that does not take advantage of his major strengths. His height and atheleticism. Not that he can't and not that he won't, but just not yet.
It's clear according to him, if management came to him and told him they wanted to rebuild, he would move on. Unless he is lieing about that. He has made it clear he wants to stay in NY unless NY wants to rebuild and go in another direction.The issue I have with Melo's spot on the team. So long as Melo is here, the team won't go for a full rebuild. When you have an all-star level player who drops 25 a night and is making 25 million a year, the pressure is there to win now. We've tried for so many years now to try and win around Melo. We've just gotten nowhere.
My thinking process is based on taking Melo at face value. That he would want to move on if the Knicks are rebuilding. What the Knicks currently are doing is trying to add some young talent but also trade/sign veterans to help get more competitive in the short run. Before Jackson got to NY, they weren't even trying to get young talent, rather trade for as many 7+ year experienced NBA players as possible to make a run. It led to one decent season, and the rest have all been lottery.
So I repeat, if Melo is telling the truth that the Knicks come to him that they are re-building he will move on, then I see no reason to be concerned about the NTC. The worry I have is the Knicks are not planning to re-build. They are going to keep trying to get some big names in free agency. Such as Chris Paul this summer. When they strike out, they'll make more moves like they've made already such as D-Rose, Noah, Lee. None of those are really bad moves if you're trying to win now, it's just that it's not going to happen (win now) so why waste time in the short run? It's win-win if Melo goes plays on a team where he is the second or third best player, and he can try to win a championship and for us we aim/strive to get 4-5 young good players. We already have two, we aren't that far off from being a good young team.
What Crush said. What do you think we have done last three years? 2 rebuild years on purpose and 1 Phil F-up unintentional rebuild year. What do you do with Noah in a full rebuild? Does Lee fit in full rebuild? As well as LT? KO? But you make it seem like Melo is the only issue stopping a full rebuild. Yet he is the only player out of ones mentuoned that will make it easier for these young players, not harder.
Kemet wrote:Well, nobody wants a super star Melo whom couldnt become a winner in the regular season under the famous Zen master!
We all should have known Melo was not a winner when it was James Dolan decision to bring Melo to NY.
You must love this post. As you have made it over 100 times. Let me do the same. Melo=3 Playoff appearances. Knicks without Melo since 2000 = 1!!. Name a player who was on rosters when Melo had a losing season who has gone on to be starters or play solid minutes on a Playoff team? Not counting Shump and JR, who Phil ran out of town.
And oh yeah....LIN SUCKS!!
HofstraBBall wrote:Kemet wrote:Well, nobody wants a super star Melo whom couldnt become a winner in the regular season under the famous Zen master!
We all should have known Melo was not a winner when it was James Dolan decision to bring Melo to NY.
You must love this post. As you have made it over 100 times. Let me do the same. Melo=3 Playoff appearances. Knicks without Melo since 2000 = 1!!. Name a player who was on rosters when Melo had a losing season who has gone on to be starters or play solid minutes on a Playoff team? Not counting Shump and JR, who Phil ran out of town.
And oh yeah....LIN SUCKS!!
Game 13 is coming soon. Believe it!
Would take Brown, Smart and a pick for him. Then root he wins it all with the Celts. Except when he plays us ofcourse.
HofstraBBall wrote:Would take Brown, Smart and a pick for him. Then root he wins it all with the Celts. Except when he plays us ofcourse.
Why would Boston offer that? The only rival is the clips for rivers, no pick, Crawford and trash. All Boston has to do is offer a mid first and a mediocre player
smackeddog wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Would take Brown, Smart and a pick for him. Then root he wins it all with the Celts. Except when he plays us ofcourse.
Why would Boston offer that? The only rival is the clips for rivers, no pick, Crawford and trash. All Boston has to do is offer a mid first and a mediocre player
Melo is now Lou Williams?
TLover wrote:Think the best trade for everyone involved (including Melo) would be to the Celtics for Jaylen Brown, a non-Brooklyn 1st rounder & the 2 expiring contracts of Amir Johnson & Jonas Jeracbo.We get a 20yr SF prospect to go with KP & Willy & another young player from a strong draft.
Melo puts Boston in the NBA finals
They lose no core players and play Melo at PF, his best position.
Makes too much sense for everyone involved. Boston only 3 1/2 hours (driving) away.
I posted a thread about this exact trade a while back
Nice EnySpree!
The crazy thing the Celtics could get still get Jimmy Butler & Melo.
They could then trade Brooklyn picks with Jae Crowder & Tyler Zeller for Butler.
Boston could conceivably have the following starting 5:
Pg: Isiah Thomas
Sg: Avery Bradley
Sf: Jimmy Butler
Pf: Carmelo Anthony
C: Al Horford
That's a ridiculous lineup
I think there is a zero percent chance Melo will get traded by the deadline. Melo said it himself - it's too big a deal for him to happen this quickly. I think maybe this summer. And maybe he rides it out anyway. We're not getting a good package for him. He doesn't fit neatly into any team, you have to restructure your whole offense to accommodate him and he's just not good enough for that to be worth it anymore. I just don't see any team taking him on, certainly not for a big package.
crzymdups wrote:I think there is a zero percent chance Melo will get traded by the deadline. Melo said it himself - it's too big a deal for him to happen this quickly. I think maybe this summer. And maybe he rides it out anyway. We're not getting a good package for him. He doesn't fit neatly into any team, you have to restructure your whole offense to accommodate him and he's just not good enough for that to be worth it anymore. I just don't see any team taking him on, certainly not for a big package.
There's no way we can pull off a rose trade and a melo trade and a KOQ trade in the time we have left, so I agree with you- I think rose is the simpler one to deal, the Melo one hasn't even reached the asking melo stage yet so not a hope of it being done and dusted in the time left.
smackeddog wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Would take Brown, Smart and a pick for him. Then root he wins it all with the Celts. Except when he plays us ofcourse.
Why would Boston offer that? The only rival is the clips for rivers, no pick, Crawford and trash. All Boston has to do is offer a mid first and a mediocre player
Because we have Phil "Freakin" Jackson! I don't, that's why I have been saying you keep him. Shit, while we're at it, let's throw in Noah. Cuz he is such a great leader.
HofstraBBall wrote:smackeddog wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Would take Brown, Smart and a pick for him. Then root he wins it all with the Celts. Except when he plays us ofcourse.
Why would Boston offer that? The only rival is the clips for rivers, no pick, Crawford and trash. All Boston has to do is offer a mid first and a mediocre player
Because we have Phil "Freakin" Jackson! I don't, that's why I have been saying you keep him. Shit, while we're at it, let's throw in Noah. Cuz he is such a great leader.
We absolutely need Melo to stay... to save me 160 hours of time of watching unwatchable basketball next season.
smackeddog wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Would take Brown, Smart and a pick for him. Then root he wins it all with the Celts. Except when he plays us ofcourse.
Why would Boston offer that? The only rival is the clips for rivers, no pick, Crawford and trash. All Boston has to do is offer a mid first and a mediocre player
Not if they actually WANT Melo to join them. Phil can always say "no thank you" to lowball offers.
crzymdups wrote:I think there is a zero percent chance Melo will get traded by the deadline. Melo said it himself - it's too big a deal for him to happen this quickly. I think maybe this summer. And maybe he rides it out anyway. We're not getting a good package for him. He doesn't fit neatly into any team, you have to restructure your whole offense to accommodate him and he's just not good enough for that to be worth it anymore. I just don't see any team taking him on, certainly not for a big package.
Seriously? I'm not so sure.
I continue to think Lebron is obsessed with winning again; and the Clippers have to feel they're moving backwards (GS got better, SAS are as good as always; and Houston got better). I'd have to think Lebron and CP3 are each feeling the windows for their respective opportunities areclosing (in different ways of course).
Likewise, the Celts feel if they can make the finals anything can happen (and have actually played GS decent), though I do not see Melo in green, I could easily imagine a three way deal involving them
Chandler wrote:crzymdups wrote:I think there is a zero percent chance Melo will get traded by the deadline. Melo said it himself - it's too big a deal for him to happen this quickly. I think maybe this summer. And maybe he rides it out anyway. We're not getting a good package for him. He doesn't fit neatly into any team, you have to restructure your whole offense to accommodate him and he's just not good enough for that to be worth it anymore. I just don't see any team taking him on, certainly not for a big package.
Seriously? I'm not so sure.
I continue to think Lebron is obsessed with winning again; and the Clippers have to feel they're moving backwards (GS got better, SAS are as good as always; and Houston got better). I'd have to think Lebron and CP3 are each feeling the windows for their respective opportunities areclosing (in different ways of course).
Likewise, the Celts feel if they can make the finals anything can happen (and have actually played GS decent), though I do not see Melo in green, I could easily imagine a three way deal involving them
Butler, Griffin, George are names Boston has inquired about. Melo is not on that list. They obviously want someone more athletic then Melo
Clippers can probably add NO to the list of teams moving up in the West. If they can improve at guard, they can be dangerous and live up to the media hype
Chandler wrote:crzymdups wrote:I think there is a zero percent chance Melo will get traded by the deadline. Melo said it himself - it's too big a deal for him to happen this quickly. I think maybe this summer. And maybe he rides it out anyway. We're not getting a good package for him. He doesn't fit neatly into any team, you have to restructure your whole offense to accommodate him and he's just not good enough for that to be worth it anymore. I just don't see any team taking him on, certainly not for a big package.
Seriously? I'm not so sure.
I continue to think Lebron is obsessed with winning again; and the Clippers have to feel they're moving backwards (GS got better, SAS are as good as always; and Houston got better). I'd have to think Lebron and CP3 are each feeling the windows for their respective opportunities areclosing (in different ways of course).
Likewise, the Celts feel if they can make the finals anything can happen (and have actually played GS decent), though I do not see Melo in green, I could easily imagine a three way deal involving them
If Cleveland or La Clippets had an easy trade to make like Derrick Rose and a first round pick or something, I think they'd do it. But neither one of them has that easy of a trade to make. The trades they can make aren't good for us. I just don't see a fit. Boston isn't happening.
Trading Rose to Minnesota is possible if Phil doesn't try to ask for too much - like getting a first round pick or them taking Noah.
