Melo should make that quick pass out the post more often
Jokic is a really good legit 5
KP is a 7-3 SG.
His way position will be defined based on his teammates
As tonight has shown he can play 5 or 4
But until we get some defenders
It won't matter
Denver is just so much more tenacious on the inside than we are.
Melo has passed well this game. There was one pass to KP that was very similar to one last season after which there was a vine saying "Melo making Cam Newton passes out here"
nyknickzingis wrote:Jokic is a really good legit 5
KP is a 7-3 SG.His way position will be defined based on his teammates
As tonight has shown he can play 5 or 4
But until we get some defenders
It won't matter
He has a tough time playing the 5. He struggles to defend normal sized centers and he can't set screens. The Knicks really need to consider having KP or Melo come off the bench. I think KP fits the second unit. I know that isn't politically correct but I think it is the best thing.
Cartman718 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Knixkik wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Kristaps needs to go to Jokic school of basketballkyle oquinn is steady and under rated
Jokic is a nice player but so is KP. LET KP BE KP! He's not Jokic and I think KP is not even close to what he is gonna be as he physically matures. KP has another few levels he can go IMO.
Both players are great. Jokic is incredibly skilled. KP has way more upside though.
Why because he is 3 inches taller? That will help him with blocks but right now Jokic may actually be a better defender plus he rebounds like a real big.
No KP really does have more upside. KP seems to be one of those guys that develops slower. He's got more aspects of the game he needs to develop but you can see when he gets his body strength he's gonna get to another level Jokic can't get to.
those Knick color glasses must be awesome.
So you know KP IS DONE DEVELOPING??? STFU!
I never said he was but I also don't know if Jokic is done developing. You know the guy who is only a few months older than KP. I know it is hard for you to understand because you are a company guy.
Jokic is a talented and skilled player and he's developed very fast but some players reach there peak faster than others. IMO KP is a bit behind both physically and in his overall game. However when he finally figures things out and physically fills out I see a guy that can reach a higher level than Jokic at his peak.
Case in point Jokic can't afford to get much heavier or slower as he ages. He's got an advantage right now but I can see how KP down the line could go higher.
He could develop a Kevin love type of consistent 3. He's already a better player inside. Meanwhile all that yellowboy did is express his opinion and you told him to STFU. Why don't you STFU for a change and LISTEN to logic?
I just LOVE the Knick fans that turn on their own guys. You can see it already. You can't wait to fall in love with a player from another team and assume we got the raw end. I see more upside in KP and you don't have to agree. Jokic has a well rounded game already. I just see more upside in KP. The only way we'll all know is with time. This can't be settled tonight.
4Q - 5:46
NYK 103 DEN 113
nixluva wrote:Cartman718 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Knixkik wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Kristaps needs to go to Jokic school of basketballkyle oquinn is steady and under rated
Jokic is a nice player but so is KP. LET KP BE KP! He's not Jokic and I think KP is not even close to what he is gonna be as he physically matures. KP has another few levels he can go IMO.
Both players are great. Jokic is incredibly skilled. KP has way more upside though.
Why because he is 3 inches taller? That will help him with blocks but right now Jokic may actually be a better defender plus he rebounds like a real big.
No KP really does have more upside. KP seems to be one of those guys that develops slower. He's got more aspects of the game he needs to develop but you can see when he gets his body strength he's gonna get to another level Jokic can't get to.
those Knick color glasses must be awesome.
So you know KP IS DONE DEVELOPING??? STFU!
I never said he was but I also don't know if Jokic is done developing. You know the guy who is only a few months older than KP. I know it is hard for you to understand because you are a company guy.
Jokic is a talented and skilled player and he's developed very fast but some players reach there peak faster than others. IMO KP is a bit behind both physically and in his overall game. However when he finally figures things out and physically fills out I see a guy that can reach a higher level than Jokic at his peak.
Case in point Jokic can't afford to get much heavier or slower as he ages. He's got an advantage right now but I can see how KP down the line could go higher.
He could develop a Kevin love type of consistent 3. He's already a better player inside. Meanwhile all that yellowboy did is express his opinion and you told him to STFU. Why don't you STFU for a change and LISTEN to logic?
I just LOVE the Knick fans that turn on their own guys. You can see it already. You can't wait to fall in love with a player from another team and assume we got the raw end. I see more upside in KP and you don't have to agree. Jokic has a well rounded game already. I just see more upside in KP. The only way we'll all know is with time. This can't be settled tonight.
No but it would be hard to create an argument where you didn't put Towns and Jokic ahead of KP at this point.
nixluva wrote:Cartman718 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Knixkik wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Kristaps needs to go to Jokic school of basketballkyle oquinn is steady and under rated
Jokic is a nice player but so is KP. LET KP BE KP! He's not Jokic and I think KP is not even close to what he is gonna be as he physically matures. KP has another few levels he can go IMO.
Both players are great. Jokic is incredibly skilled. KP has way more upside though.
Why because he is 3 inches taller? That will help him with blocks but right now Jokic may actually be a better defender plus he rebounds like a real big.
No KP really does have more upside. KP seems to be one of those guys that develops slower. He's got more aspects of the game he needs to develop but you can see when he gets his body strength he's gonna get to another level Jokic can't get to.
those Knick color glasses must be awesome.
So you know KP IS DONE DEVELOPING??? STFU!
I never said he was but I also don't know if Jokic is done developing. You know the guy who is only a few months older than KP. I know it is hard for you to understand because you are a company guy.
Jokic is a talented and skilled player and he's developed very fast but some players reach there peak faster than others. IMO KP is a bit behind both physically and in his overall game. However when he finally figures things out and physically fills out I see a guy that can reach a higher level than Jokic at his peak. Case in point Jokic can't afford to get much heavier or slower as he ages. He's got an advantage right now but I can see how KP down the line could go higher.
He could develop a Kevin love type of consistent 3. He's already a better player inside. Meanwhile all that yellowboy did is express his opinion and you told him to STFU. Why don't you STFU for a change and LISTEN to logic?
I just LOVE the Knick fans that turn on their own guys. You can see it already. You can't wait to fall in love with a player from another team and assume we got the raw end. I see more upside in KP and you don't have to agree. Jokic has a well rounded game already. I just see more upside in KP. The only way we'll all know is with time. This can't be settled tonight.
Yes I agree but what can be settled is your abusive language. Own up to it.
KP is defnding jokic well but he does not have the size yet and that is the diffference.
Two good young players.
CrushAlot wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Jokic is a really good legit 5
KP is a 7-3 SG.His way position will be defined based on his teammates
As tonight has shown he can play 5 or 4
But until we get some defenders
It won't matter
He has a tough time playing the 5. He struggles to defend normal sized centers and he can't set screens. The Knicks really need to consider having KP or Melo come off the bench. I think KP fits the second unit. I know that isn't politically correct but I think it is the best thing.
Let KP learn and develop. Why do we have to push him back at this point. This is good for him.
Hard to be that high on KP right now when he's getting his @$$ kicked by his opposing counterpart. Jokic has 35 and might have 45 before this is over the way he's going. One game does not define a career for either player but KP clearly looks second best right now.
CrushAlot wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Jokic is a really good legit 5
KP is a 7-3 SG.His way position will be defined based on his teammates
As tonight has shown he can play 5 or 4
But until we get some defenders
It won't matter
He has a tough time playing the 5. He struggles to defend normal sized centers and he can't set screens. The Knicks really need to consider having KP or Melo come off the bench. I think KP fits the second unit. I know that isn't politically correct but I think it is the best thing.
KP will be better one he fills out his frame and then he will be able to be a legit 5 hopefully. I do worry about him losing some of his movement skills but maybe he keeps it. Strength and not so much weight is definitely key.
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Jokic is a really good legit 5
KP is a 7-3 SG.His way position will be defined based on his teammates
As tonight has shown he can play 5 or 4
But until we get some defenders
It won't matter
He has a tough time playing the 5. He struggles to defend normal sized centers and he can't set screens. The Knicks really need to consider having KP or Melo come off the bench. I think KP fits the second unit. I know that isn't politically correct but I think it is the best thing.
Let KP learn and develop. Why do we have to push him back at this point. This is good for him.
He doesn't have the body/bulk to play the position full time.
4Q - 3:53
NYK 107 DEN 117
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Cartman718 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Knixkik wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Kristaps needs to go to Jokic school of basketballkyle oquinn is steady and under rated
Jokic is a nice player but so is KP. LET KP BE KP! He's not Jokic and I think KP is not even close to what he is gonna be as he physically matures. KP has another few levels he can go IMO.
Both players are great. Jokic is incredibly skilled. KP has way more upside though.
Why because he is 3 inches taller? That will help him with blocks but right now Jokic may actually be a better defender plus he rebounds like a real big.
No KP really does have more upside. KP seems to be one of those guys that develops slower. He's got more aspects of the game he needs to develop but you can see when he gets his body strength he's gonna get to another level Jokic can't get to.
those Knick color glasses must be awesome.
So you know KP IS DONE DEVELOPING??? STFU!
I never said he was but I also don't know if Jokic is done developing. You know the guy who is only a few months older than KP. I know it is hard for you to understand because you are a company guy.
Jokic is a talented and skilled player and he's developed very fast but some players reach there peak faster than others. IMO KP is a bit behind both physically and in his overall game. However when he finally figures things out and physically fills out I see a guy that can reach a higher level than Jokic at his peak.
Case in point Jokic can't afford to get much heavier or slower as he ages. He's got an advantage right now but I can see how KP down the line could go higher.
He could develop a Kevin love type of consistent 3. He's already a better player inside. Meanwhile all that yellowboy did is express his opinion and you told him to STFU. Why don't you STFU for a change and LISTEN to logic?
I just LOVE the Knick fans that turn on their own guys. You can see it already. You can't wait to fall in love with a player from another team and assume we got the raw end. I see more upside in KP and you don't have to agree. Jokic has a well rounded game already. I just see more upside in KP. The only way we'll all know is with time. This can't be settled tonight.
No but it would be hard to create an argument where you didn't put Towns and Jokic ahead of KP at this point.
I fully agree!!! Just think people tend to forget where KP started!!! Dude was a toothpick when we drafted him. IMO KP is simply behind the curve development wise.
4Q - 2:51
NYK 113 DEN 121
I think after tonight there's no more "if this guy plays here or this lineup plays"
No matter what we try we are not good enough defensively
Gotta just develop good offense for next season and young players which in the last 2 games the team has done
