1) K.Rambis--Why don't we talk about K.Rambis and his defensive coaching enough? This guy has got to go and Phil needs to do everyone a favor and get rid of this clown and his defense.
2) D.Rose--this guys defense and energy is actually worse than Melo's. Rose is sooooo bad on defense it's comical and what makes it worse is that he thinks his plays good defense. I saw something on MSG and they asked him who's the toughest guard for him and his first comment was that he believes he can guard anyone......seriously??
G.Harris was making him look stupid last night....GARY HARRIS.
Rose isn't worth our time. He's a 1 year rental we just move on from and forget about hopefully. Like Steve Francis, most will forget he even played here.
Knixkik wrote:Rose isn't worth our time. He's a 1 year rental we just move on from and forget about hopefully. Like Steve Francis, most will forget he even played here.
It would be nice to get anything for him before the deadline though. You gotta think a team would like to have him for what he can do on offense and i'm surprised we haven't heard his name in any trade rumors yet.
Rose is definitely a big problem. Hopefully a team finds his forays to the lane enticing and give us a pick
Rose used to be part of a great Bulls defensive team as did Noah
Think we should give Noah n Rose a chance with new defensive coaching staff around Horny.
Rose's man D sucks for sure
But so does KP's.
Melo's.
Lee's.
No one stays infront or tight with their man.
I believe coaching defensively is a major problem
nyknickzingis wrote:Rose used to be part of a great Bulls defensive team as did Noah
Think we should give Noah n Rose a chance with new defensive coaching staff around Horny.Rose's man D sucks for sure
But so does KP's.
Melo's.
Lee's.
No one stays infront or tight with their man.
I believe coaching defensively is a major problem
I can't believe that Rose and Lee would forget what they learned about how to defend!!!
If we added Tony Allen I would expect him to defend the way he always has. I blame the players more than the coach in this instance.
Just watching Rose you can see in his body language the lack of effort. I watched Darren Collison help the Kings win and he was giving everything he had to try to slow down Dennis Schroder! The difference in effort level was massive!!! This is simply Rose not giving a flip!
I think KP does need more coaching help. He has a lot he needs to learn on top of getting stronger but also he actually does give more effort than guys like Rose or Melo! KP is statistically a far better defender than any of them and I think when he's on the floor with the younger guys they collectively defend at a higher level.
I wonder if Rose isn't traded if the Knicks release him or buy him out after the trade deadline. It seems like the right move but Phil would have to admit that trading for him was a mistake.
nixluva wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Rose used to be part of a great Bulls defensive team as did Noah
Think we should give Noah n Rose a chance with new defensive coaching staff around Horny.Rose's man D sucks for sure
But so does KP's.
Melo's.
Lee's.
No one stays infront or tight with their man.
I believe coaching defensively is a major problem
I can't believe that Rose and Lee would forget what they learned about how to defend!!!
If we added Tony Allen I would expect him to defend the way he always has. I blame the players more than the coach in this instance.
Just watching Rose you can see in his body language the lack of effort. I watched Darren Collison help the Kings win and he was giving everything he had to try to slow down Dennis Schroder! The difference in effort level was massive!!! This is simply Rose not giving a flip!
I think KP does need more coaching help. He has a lot he needs to learn on top of getting stronger but also he actually does give more effort than guys like Rose or Melo! KP is statistically a far better defender than any of them and I think when he's on the floor with the younger guys they collectively defend at a higher level.
Yeah KP's energy isn't in question here but he's just not that good right now on defense. Nobody plays up on their man on this team, everyone is at least a good 5 feet off of their man on the outside. It doesn't seem like our guys even put their hands up, it seems like their hands are always down by their sides. There's so many problems with our defense it's ridiculous. K.Rambis has got to go but he probably won't be going anywhere.
newyorker4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Rose used to be part of a great Bulls defensive team as did Noah
Think we should give Noah n Rose a chance with new defensive coaching staff around Horny.Rose's man D sucks for sure
But so does KP's.
Melo's.
Lee's.
No one stays infront or tight with their man.
I believe coaching defensively is a major problem
I can't believe that Rose and Lee would forget what they learned about how to defend!!!
If we added Tony Allen I would expect him to defend the way he always has. I blame the players more than the coach in this instance.
Just watching Rose you can see in his body language the lack of effort. I watched Darren Collison help the Kings win and he was giving everything he had to try to slow down Dennis Schroder! The difference in effort level was massive!!! This is simply Rose not giving a flip!
I think KP does need more coaching help. He has a lot he needs to learn on top of getting stronger but also he actually does give more effort than guys like Rose or Melo! KP is statistically a far better defender than any of them and I think when he's on the floor with the younger guys they collectively defend at a higher level.
Yeah KP's energy isn't in question here but he's just not that good right now on defense. Nobody plays up on their man on this team, everyone is at least a good 5 feet off of their man on the outside. It doesn't seem like our guys even put their hands up, it seems like their hands are always down by their sides. There's so many problems with our defense it's ridiculous. K.Rambis has got to go but he probably won't be going anywhere.
Can't remember the last time we saw anyone fight through a screen. They switch on everything and it's maddening.
Knixkik wrote:Rose isn't worth our time. He's a 1 year rental we just move on from and forget about hopefully. Like Steve Francis, most will forget he even played here.
Yep, I said that in another thread- everyone is silent about Rose because we're all roughly agreed that he should go. For me he's this years Bargs- I hate even seeing his face! His attitude, his lack of effort, his tantrum, the fact he is only interested in signing his max contract (As if he thinks he deserves one!), the way he refuses to pass to KP, probably out of jealousy
CrushAlot wrote:I wonder if Rose isn't traded if the Knicks release him or buy him out after the trade deadline. It seems like the right move but Phil would have to admit that trading for him was a mistake.
Not really- the thinking was always that it was a gamble, but if it didn't work out he was an expiring- I hope to move him for something back (maybe Rubio, maybe Kings are dumb enough to trade for him, maybe the Sixers), but I'll just be happy to see him gone.
newyorker4ever wrote:Knixkik wrote:Rose isn't worth our time. He's a 1 year rental we just move on from and forget about hopefully. Like Steve Francis, most will forget he even played here.
It would be nice to get anything for him before the deadline though. You gotta think a team would like to have him for what he can do on offense and i'm surprised we haven't heard his name in any trade rumors yet.
Notice Phil has bnever even bothered playing his mind games on him- he knows Rose is a lost cause. Also the lack of sanction after he walked out on the team, would indicate they are determined to move him but just didn't want to lower his trade value.
I don't see many teams that would be interested in trading for him- maybe Twolves now LaVine is down, maybe Sixers, maybe Kings. Don't really see any other team.
There was an article that said at least one team was interested, so lets keep our fingers crossed
nyknickzingis wrote:Rose used to be part of a great Bulls defensive team as did Noah
Think we should give Noah n Rose a chance with new defensive coaching staff around Horny.Rose's man D sucks for sure
But so does KP's.
Melo's.
Lee's.
No one stays infront or tight with their man.
I believe coaching defensively is a major problem
Wow, I think your the first person I've encountered who wants to keep Rose! Why?!?!?
Rose man Defense sucks and Rose's help defense sucks. He has been a bad defender his whole career.
yellowboy90 wrote:Rose man Defense sucks and Rose's help defense sucks. He has been a bad defender his whole career.
He just needs the coach to get on him.
yellowboy90 wrote:Rose man Defense sucks and Rose's help defense sucks. He has been a bad defender his whole career.
Also he is very detrimental to KP as he hates to pass to him. I think Hahn even brought out some stats to back this up on his radio show. It's not that he can't pass to him (he was very good with Gasol), he just doesn't want to- maybe he doesn't want KP to steal his limelight and undermine his quest for a max contract.
smackeddog wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Rose man Defense sucks and Rose's help defense sucks. He has been a bad defender his whole career.
Also he is very detrimental to KP as he hates to pass to him. I think Hahn even brought out some stats to back this up on his radio show. It's not that he can't pass to him (he was very good with Gasol), he just doesn't want to- maybe he doesn't want KP to steal his limelight and undermine his quest for a max contract.
Steal his shine???? I thought making others better increases ones ability to shine.
smackeddog wrote:CrushAlot wrote:I wonder if Rose isn't traded if the Knicks release him or buy him out after the trade deadline. It seems like the right move but Phil would have to admit that trading for him was a mistake.
Not really- the thinking was always that it was a gamble, but if it didn't work out he was an expiring- I hope to move him for something back (maybe Rubio, maybe Kings are dumb enough to trade for him, maybe the Sixers), but I'll just be happy to see him gone.
I think they thought things were going to work out better. On paper, should have.
And yes, if no one takes him at the deadline, release him. let him sign with another team. I'm curious if anyone would, and if they did, would he get time.
smackeddog wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Rose used to be part of a great Bulls defensive team as did Noah
Think we should give Noah n Rose a chance with new defensive coaching staff around Horny.Rose's man D sucks for sure
But so does KP's.
Melo's.
Lee's.
No one stays infront or tight with their man.
I believe coaching defensively is a major problem
Wow, I think your the first person I've encountered who wants to keep Rose! Why?!?!?
We need an attacking point guard and some continuity
I want one of BJ or Rose back preferably BJ. Will be cheaper and plays more D. However much depends on free agency and draft and Melo trade. Who will be the starting point? If we draft a PG in the lottery it could be him and then BJ is enough. If we don't draft or sign a really good young PG talent we need a veteran to give us 28-30 minutes a game. I keep BJ because he should be cheaper and tries harder on D. I'd keep Rose if he comes cheaper than 20$M and is on a 3 year deal. All this is dependent on what are other options are. We don't want to be a 65 loss team next year. KP and Willy need a point guard that can attack a defense and push the ball.
knicks1248 wrote:smackeddog wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Rose man Defense sucks and Rose's help defense sucks. He has been a bad defender his whole career.
Also he is very detrimental to KP as he hates to pass to him. I think Hahn even brought out some stats to back this up on his radio show. It's not that he can't pass to him (he was very good with Gasol), he just doesn't want to- maybe he doesn't want KP to steal his limelight and undermine his quest for a max contract.
Steal his shine???? I thought making others better increases ones ability to shine.
Someone should have told Rose that
nyknickzingis wrote:smackeddog wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Rose used to be part of a great Bulls defensive team as did Noah
Think we should give Noah n Rose a chance with new defensive coaching staff around Horny.Rose's man D sucks for sure
But so does KP's.
Melo's.
Lee's.
No one stays infront or tight with their man.
I believe coaching defensively is a major problem
Wow, I think your the first person I've encountered who wants to keep Rose! Why?!?!?
We need an attacking point guard and some continuity
I want one of BJ or Rose back preferably BJ. Will be cheaper and plays more D. However much depends on free agency and draft and Melo trade. Who will be the starting point? If we draft a PG in the lottery it could be him and then BJ is enough. If we don't draft or sign a really good young PG talent we need a veteran to give us 28-30 minutes a game. I keep BJ because he should be cheaper and tries harder on D. I'd keep Rose if he comes cheaper than 20$M and is on a 3 year deal. All this is dependent on what are other options are. We don't want to be a 65 loss team next year. KP and Willy need a point guard that can attack a defense and push the ball.
At this point Rose has totally lost me. I was giving him a full clean slate and he had moments where you thought "yeah this could work" and then he's totally fallen off and as his effort level slipped and his selfishness increased it just made it impossible to support him.
I also think BJ at least tries hard and at least looks to set up his teammates. He's not a very good player but JESUS in comparison to Rose who has so much talent STILL, the level of effort and just plain "Giving and Damn" is so much better from BJ. Rose is his own worst enemy. There's no excuse for his poor effort level and selfish style at all. I don't want a guy that you have to crack the whip on just to do what he should WANT to do!!!
