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Knixkik wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Keep jennings. He's a solid backup. Get rid of rose as fast as possible.

I disagree, yes he gets you assist but that's it. You don't lock yourself into multiple years for a player like Jennings.

If he comes back at a good price why not ? He's a good backup capable of starting at times and making plays. What else are you looking for from a backup PG?

There's no point in locking up a backup PG when you're as bad as we are. The only guys bad teams should be locking up to long term deals are guys who can significantly improve the team or guys who can outperform their contracts. Jennings is neither of those.

franco12 wrote:

TheGame wrote:We definitely should trade Rose. He is not the PG for the future of this team and we should try to get something for him. I agree with keeping Melo. Unless a good deal comes along, we might as well allow him to play out his deal. By the last year of his contract, he will bring in a lot in trade value due to the high expiring salary. We definitely should be tanking. There are five pgs in this draft who are better than Jennings and who could really improve the team.

Let's see what kind of value Rose has- he's younger than Melo will be then, he's adept at getting his own shot and driving to the basket, which is a premium come play off time.

I suspect there will be no deal worth taking for Rose. We overpaid for him this summer, and I think we'll be stuck with him.

I agree we will not get much because we are not going to take back salary, but even a second round draft pick is better than nothing. I really want the Knicks to resign Jennings, if they can keep him for a decent price and then draft a PG. I really like Fox, but any of the top 4 pgs would be an upgrade.

TheGame wrote:

franco12 wrote:

TheGame wrote:We definitely should trade Rose. He is not the PG for the future of this team and we should try to get something for him. I agree with keeping Melo. Unless a good deal comes along, we might as well allow him to play out his deal. By the last year of his contract, he will bring in a lot in trade value due to the high expiring salary. We definitely should be tanking. There are five pgs in this draft who are better than Jennings and who could really improve the team.

Let's see what kind of value Rose has- he's younger than Melo will be then, he's adept at getting his own shot and driving to the basket, which is a premium come play off time.

I suspect there will be no deal worth taking for Rose. We overpaid for him this summer, and I think we'll be stuck with him.

I agree we will not get much because we are not going to take back salary, but even a second round draft pick is better than nothing. I really want the Knicks to resign Jennings, if they can keep him for a decent price and then draft a PG. I really like Fox, but any of the top 4 pgs would be an upgrade.

Jennings with any of the PGs in the draft is a great combination.

VCoug wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Keep jennings. He's a solid backup. Get rid of rose as fast as possible.

I disagree, yes he gets you assist but that's it. You don't lock yourself into multiple years for a player like Jennings.

If he comes back at a good price why not ? He's a good backup capable of starting at times and making plays. What else are you looking for from a backup PG?

There's no point in locking up a backup PG when you're as bad as we are. The only guys bad teams should be locking up to long term deals are guys who can significantly improve the team or guys who can outperform their contracts. Jennings is neither of those.

You can't just keep turning over the entire roster because you aren't very good. Having some continuity even from a role like backup PG can go a long ways to improving the team.

BRIGGS wrote:go 2-25 our last 27 games and get a much needed top 3 pick
Forget about trading Melo-- the atmosphere is toxic. Let him play 20 minutes with some days off to conserve his body

And lastly see if we can swap Noah for even a bad or hurt player if we can cut the contract size

Waiving Rose would only make practical sense after the playoff roster vesting deadline.
Other NBA teams have done this, if you aren't a "good soldier" for your current team, they have no incentive to help you see the playoffs on a contender by waiving you. Rose pretty much killed this chance by his No Show game.

Honestly, if I were the Knicks, I'd ice him, the same way Al Davis iced Marcus Allen for a good portion of his career. Just leave him rotting on the bench with no chance to make any kind of appeal for his next contract with his play for whatever team signs him next year. The No Show was unacceptable. For the Knicks to do anything that would be seen as "gracious" to Rose would be poor form.

Why would any team send a shorter bad contract for Noah? Would you want the Knicks to do that if another team had Noah and wanted to dump them on this franchise?

One of the first general signs of a bad trade scenario is if it's an offer that would make you shake your head if the teams and players and situations were reversed. And in the real NBA, or any other pro sport, if you keep offering deals like this, eventually people stop taking your phone calls. Carl Peterson was run out of the KC Chiefs and pretty much out of the NFL because he actively tried to gouge everyone all the time. The front office cadre in any sport is also a small fraternity. Like players and coaches, there is competition, but there is taboo against behavior that costs people their jobs. Bad and unrealistic trade offers in the real sports world is that kind of statement - I think you are incompetent by making this offer, and I want your kids to starve, because if you take it, you will be fired for a deal like this. Your kids should never eat again, they should die on the street without clothes and food.

Practical trades are either truth, or by perception, a "win/win" They are deals that front offices can sell to their ownership, the fanbase and the local media. At least NardYardDog Nation, will consider what other teams need and their practical circumstances. Do some guys here even bother to consider the perspective of other teams, their needs and their practical situations in these trade scenarios?