This trade is crazy! Sacramento is now a guard heavy team. Interesting to see how all this plays out
Caseloads wrote:crzymdups wrote:I wonder if Sacto would waive Tyreke Evans? I've always been curious about his fit for the Triangle. I guess there's always this summer. That's a huge package to give up for Cousins... man, I don't know... I think Sacramento won that trade.
That's a small package to give up for Cousins. Cousins under Pop or Brad Stevens would be better than Tim Duncan in his prime. Sacramento lost that trade.
Everyone said the Lakers got away with robbery when they got Pau Gasol, but Memphis got a franchise center in that trade.
Have to see how his plays out in the draft. Sacramento ensured keeping its own lotto pick and got the New Orleans one.
This may wind up working out for the Pelicans, but Sacramento was on a treadmill with Boogie and has never won more than 32 games with him. They've only gone over 30 wins one time in seven seasons. You can't give that guy $200M. I think Sacramento did the right thing. I'm not sure how guys who want to trade Melo turn around and say you can't trade Boogie. They're very similar players. I think Sacramento did the right thing. Though whether their front office executes those picks and cap room is another story.
This trade reeks of some kind of collusion.
Cousins is repped by Dan Fegan, who is known for "encouraging" his clients to become disruptive to either get a larger contract, get an extension or get traded.
This trade SHOULD be vetoed at the league administration level, I.E. Adam Silver SHOULD veto this deal, but he won't. The Pelicans were basically gifted Anthony Davis as a newly bought franchise and the league is invested in seeing any recently sold/bought franchises become high profile, the more those big ticket/big dollar sale teams win, the more other investors compete to buy the rare franchise that becomes available, which spikes the valuation of ALL FRANCHISES in the league. The NFL understood this when they gave EXTRA picks to the Carolina Panthers and Jacksonville Jaguars when they first started.
This is a horrible deal for Sacramento. But I don't think they are part of the collusion. Divac and his owner are just dumb. This reeks more of the Pelicans, Fegan and the league administration deciding to keep "tinkering" with the leagues competitive balance like the way David Stern did it.
This is ridiculous. The NBA at times really mirrors a reality show. It's like a soft serve version of the base concepts of American Idol. Who is the most marketable? Who gets the most ratings? Which storyline serves the "Narrative"?
This is not just a bad trade for the Kings, it's a bad trade for the entire league.
I'm shocked at the package for Boogie...I'm surprised the Lakers didn't make a play for him...But who else would make a 36/40 mil per investment in Boggie for the next 5 years??
There was a book released a while back detailing the behind the scenes interactions with ESPN, mostly it covered Bill Simmons and his role there, but it also covered David Stern and the NBA's relationship with ESPN ( and TNT) and basically when it came to ESPN NBA matters, the NBA basically was running the show there.
ESPN will justify anything the NBA league administration wants it to justify. This was a horrific deal on all levels, even with the max contract issue in place. This can't be anything other than outright collusion.
crzymdups wrote:This may wind up working out for the Pelicans, but Sacramento was on a treadmill with Boogie and has never won more than 32 games with him. They've only gone over 30 wins one time in seven seasons. You can't give that guy $200M. I think Sacramento did the right thing. I'm not sure how guys who want to trade Melo turn around and say you can't trade Boogie. They're very similar players. I think Sacramento did the right thing. Though whether their front office executes those picks and cap room is another story.
I was thinking of the Melo comparison too. Good player. But you can't give the guy a super max contract. That cripples you much more than selling a little low would.
TripleThreat wrote:There was a book released a while back detailing the behind the scenes interactions with ESPN, mostly it covered Bill Simmons and his role there, but it also covered David Stern and the NBA's relationship with ESPN ( and TNT) and basically when it came to ESPN NBA matters, the NBA basically was running the show there. ESPN will justify anything the NBA league administration wants it to justify. This was a horrific deal on all levels, even with the max contract issue in place. This can't be anything other than outright collusion.
Pairing Boogie and AD is about as smart as pairing Melo and Amar'e. They're too similar for it to work, imho. Especially given how the league works now. I'm not even sure the Pelicans will make the playoffs. Maybe I'm wrong. It'll certainly be an interesting team to watch.
I really don't get why people overrate Boogie so much. He can put up numbers - but I'd challenge anyone to find a "superstar" who won less over his first seven years in the league. He's entertaining. But I don't think his game leads to winning basketball. He makes a lot of terrible turnovers and takes a ton of terrible shots and plays absolutely awful defense at times and gets a ton of techs and always antagonizes the refs. Everything that is bad about Melo's game is super sized with Boogie.
crzymdups wrote:TripleThreat wrote:There was a book released a while back detailing the behind the scenes interactions with ESPN, mostly it covered Bill Simmons and his role there, but it also covered David Stern and the NBA's relationship with ESPN ( and TNT) and basically when it came to ESPN NBA matters, the NBA basically was running the show there. ESPN will justify anything the NBA league administration wants it to justify. This was a horrific deal on all levels, even with the max contract issue in place. This can't be anything other than outright collusion.
Pairing Boogie and AD is about as smart as pairing Melo and Amar'e. They're too similar for it to work, imho. Especially given how the league works now. I'm not even sure the Pelicans will make the playoffs. Maybe I'm wrong. It'll certainly be an interesting team to watch.
I really don't get why people overrate Boogie so much. He can put up numbers - but I'd challenge anyone to find a "superstar" who won less over his first seven years in the league. He's entertaining. But I don't think his game leads to winning basketball. He makes a lot of terrible turnovers and takes a ton of terrible shots and plays absolutely awful defense at times and gets a ton of techs and always antagonizes the refs. Everything that is bad about Melo's game is super sized with Boogie.
Kevin Love?? and its about the roster..Boogie is overrated??..He is the best center in the league...Now Boogie isn't the main go to guy and Davis can float and play anywhere on the court...
I think this Howard Beck column is spot on.
crzymdups wrote:holfresh wrote:crzymdups wrote:TripleThreat wrote:There was a book released a while back detailing the behind the scenes interactions with ESPN, mostly it covered Bill Simmons and his role there, but it also covered David Stern and the NBA's relationship with ESPN ( and TNT) and basically when it came to ESPN NBA matters, the NBA basically was running the show there. ESPN will justify anything the NBA league administration wants it to justify. This was a horrific deal on all levels, even with the max contract issue in place. This can't be anything other than outright collusion.
Pairing Boogie and AD is about as smart as pairing Melo and Amar'e. They're too similar for it to work, imho. Especially given how the league works now. I'm not even sure the Pelicans will make the playoffs. Maybe I'm wrong. It'll certainly be an interesting team to watch.
I really don't get why people overrate Boogie so much. He can put up numbers - but I'd challenge anyone to find a "superstar" who won less over his first seven years in the league. He's entertaining. But I don't think his game leads to winning basketball. He makes a lot of terrible turnovers and takes a ton of terrible shots and plays absolutely awful defense at times and gets a ton of techs and always antagonizes the refs. Everything that is bad about Melo's game is super sized with Boogie.
Kevin Love?? and its about the roster..Boogie is overrated??..Her is the best center in the league...Now Boogie isn't the main go to guy and Davis can float and play anywhere on the court...
We'll see, I guess.
Two bigs that can play inside out and are above average passers??..Phil must be getting heart palpitations imagining these guys in the triangle...Plus they got him for nothing..
crzymdups wrote:I think this Howard Beck column is spot on.
Thanks for posting this. Great article. I think the Kings had to move him. I also think the Pels did well with what they gave up.
holfresh wrote:crzymdups wrote:holfresh wrote:crzymdups wrote:TripleThreat wrote:There was a book released a while back detailing the behind the scenes interactions with ESPN, mostly it covered Bill Simmons and his role there, but it also covered David Stern and the NBA's relationship with ESPN ( and TNT) and basically when it came to ESPN NBA matters, the NBA basically was running the show there. ESPN will justify anything the NBA league administration wants it to justify. This was a horrific deal on all levels, even with the max contract issue in place. This can't be anything other than outright collusion.
Pairing Boogie and AD is about as smart as pairing Melo and Amar'e. They're too similar for it to work, imho. Especially given how the league works now. I'm not even sure the Pelicans will make the playoffs. Maybe I'm wrong. It'll certainly be an interesting team to watch.
I really don't get why people overrate Boogie so much. He can put up numbers - but I'd challenge anyone to find a "superstar" who won less over his first seven years in the league. He's entertaining. But I don't think his game leads to winning basketball. He makes a lot of terrible turnovers and takes a ton of terrible shots and plays absolutely awful defense at times and gets a ton of techs and always antagonizes the refs. Everything that is bad about Melo's game is super sized with Boogie.
Kevin Love?? and its about the roster..Boogie is overrated??..Her is the best center in the league...Now Boogie isn't the main go to guy and Davis can float and play anywhere on the court...
We'll see, I guess.
Two bigs that can play inside out and are above average passers??..Phil must be getting heart palpitations imagining these guys in the triangle...Plus they got him for nothing..
Yes, because we've all seen how well the Triangle works in the modern NBA. I just don't see it working. I'll certainly be fascinated to watch it though. If it works, that's great for the Pelicans. Still doesn't make it a bad trade for the Kings.
Cousins was almost good enough to get the Kings a win single handidly. As is Davis, it's about a 5/7 point difference every game. They both require double coverage, all they really need is a point guard that can defend and feed them and a couple of three point shooters.
That lottery pick is going to evaporate quickly.
Kings embarrassed themselves with this one. A volume shooter and a mid first round pick. I would have rather had Billy and the Knicks pick over that package.
You never go big for small in the this league.
Letting Isiah Thomas go, this years draft selection, this trade, proving yet again the NBA is littered with morons in front office positions.
For the life of me, they could have got Boston to dance. Bradley and BKs pick made more sense. They would have been able to take out the Cavs and make the finals with Horford and Cousins in the front court with smart and crowder all over Irving.
Not for nothing, but NO could facilitate a deal trading Melo to LA by taking Crawford and LA wouldn't have to give up Redick
NY gets - A. Rivers, Solomon Hill
LA gets- Melo
NO gets - Crawford
at that point trade filler and pics TBD, but the $$'s work and needs are met. Let's face it, aging Melo is not that valuable in terms of return assets.
Meh, Boston isn't beating Cleveland unless LeBron James gets injured. Cousins is a toxic asset that good front offices are going to stay away from, which is why the the only offers for Cousins are coming from other bad front offices like Orlando and Detroit.
Rookie wrote:Not for nothing, but NO could facilitate a deal trading Melo to LA by taking Crawford and LA wouldn't have to give up RedickNY gets - A. Rivers, Solomon Hill
LA gets- Melo
NO gets - Crawford
at that point trade filler and pics TBD, but the $$'s work and needs are met. Let's face it, aging Melo is not that valuable in terms of return assets.
Ouch. Solomon Hill and Rivers? Keep Melo please and try again before the draft if you are bringing back a bad contract and mediocre talent.
